Anyone paying attention to this bullsh%t? Check this out:

A group of far-right Bush allies released an ugly and outrageous ad which claims that John Kerry faked his injuries, betrayed his troops, and "dishonored his country" in Vietnam. The ad features people who say "I served with John Kerry" (although they didn't) and who make numerous provably false accusations about Kerry's war record. It's one of the most vile tactics seen yet in Bush's ferociously negative campaign.

The "Swift Boat" ad is so far beyond the pale that even Senator John McCain, a Bush supporter, spoke out about it, calling it "dishonest and dishonorable." Yet despite Senator McCain's request that President Bush "specifically condemn" the ad, Bush refuses to say anything about it.

It's clear that the ad continues the tradition of Bush campaign dirty tricks. In a recent interview, Senator McCain noted that the ad "was the same kind of deal that was pulled on me" in 2000. McCain was referring to a vicious smear campaign -- which included race-baiting allegations that he had a black child our of wedlock -- run by close Bush allies in 2000. In fact, the same firm that ran some of the anti-McCain ads in 2000 produced the "Swift Boat" ad. And although the group claims to be independent of the Republican party, the group's funding mostly comes from a longtime Bush supporter who gave over $20,000 to his campaigns for Texas governor. Further, today it was announced that one of the subjects in the ad is a member of the Bush-Cheney campaign's veterans steering committee.

The "Swift Boat" campaign is a classical political hit job. But even before the ad went on the air, the Washington Post ran a piece discussing how President Bush is running the most negative presidential campaign in U.S. History. In an article titled "From Bush, Unprecedented Negativity," the Post quotes an expert who says that "there is more attack now on the Bush side against Kerry than you've historically had in the general-election period against either candidate."

Discussing the "Swift Boat" ad, Senator John McCain said, "I deplore this kind of politics." Nebraska Governor Mike Johanns (R) called the ad "trash" and even Pat Buchanan said "not a single charge is substantiated... I think the ad is wrong." But George Bush won't condemn it.

Jim Rassman, a Republican veteran who served under Kerry, recently wrote an opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal. He told the story of how Kerry saved his life. And he concluded with these words on the "Swift Boat" veterans: "[W]hen the noise and fog of their distortions and lies have cleared, a man who volunteered to serve his country, a man who showed up for duty when his country called, a man to whom the United States Navy awarded a Silver Star, a Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts, will stand tall and proud. Ultimately, the American people will judge these Swift Boat Veterans for Bush and their accusations. Americans are tired of smear campaigns against those who volunteered to wear the uniform.

Swift Boat Veterans for Bush should hang their heads in shame.

Nice link Tally. That's a keeper.

Incredible that anyone would still back this guys after reading those.

Woooaaahhhhh tally take a deep breath

I do pay taxes $13,000 state and fed $4000 property then sales tax,gas tax etc etc
why dont we give the gov all our money
sure the gov needs to provide some serveses, but do you want them to come and wipe your butt for you,if they do they save money by just using my $5 bill and not tpapper, its the waste tally

At least your hospital will have power
and they are regulated

T raider

I do. My civic butt-wiper got laid off to fund the tax cut.

Lol tally

You will find that tpapper is much kinder than my $5 bill

In a democracy, we are the government...aren't we?

Ps..thank god for tally and memphis...i was beginning to feel vastly outnumbered there

T raider, as one ex tit squeezer to the next, I don't think you are a moron. But I've always questioned the wisdom of willful self-deception regarding one's economic interests. Reagan didn't save farms, as you suggest. The 80s saw more losses of family farms since any decade previous or since. The family farm is now a dinosaur, taken over by coporate, industrial farming.

Why are we so different from other western countries? Pretty much all of europe or european descendent countries pay far greater taxes than we do. In many cases, the standard of living has surpassed ours, despite the fact that our GNP blows theirs out of the water...

Eveyone appears perfectly willing to pay through the a$$ to support the military, but mention education, essential services and health care and at your own peril.

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Great link tally...of course since it isn't what they want to hear, they will marginalize it away...

http://slate.msn.com/id/2106185/
Just popped up on Slate. Very well written, maybe, but goes to the point of what I have been saying when I haven't been typing. I'll never be able to wrap my mind around how these guys are able to morph the worst day in America's history an event that happened under their watch, threats of which they ignored, into a success for their party into a political cap-feather.
I must be missing something.
It's my tower of babel.

---
We's here stink.

I have been working haaaaard to forget my education and IQ all these years.

I did dig up a logic book again on fallacies:

Please do not misunderstand this. I am not doing this arrogantly. I did type this fast, it is mostly on the mark, I think.

There are four main groups: ways to avoid the question, making bad assumptions, statistical fallacies, and propaganda.

Ways To Avoid a Question:

1. Red Herring work to prove some other argument than one in question
2. Ad Hominem attack the opponents character, ignore the argument
3. Genetic Attack attack the opponents or the arguments origins or beginnings, ignore the argument
4. Tu Quoque attack the opponents credibility, ignore the argument
5. Faulty Appeal to Authority make an opponent reluctant to challenge an argument because you quote a good authority, or quote a bad authority, or choose one good authority over another for no reason
6. Appeal to the People everybody does it
7. Straw Man greatly exaggerate the opponents position to make it easier to attack

Make a Bad Assumption:

8. Circular Reasoning defending your argument as true because you can repeat it in a different form, use no supporting points
9. Equivocation change the meaning of words in middle of the argument
10. Loaded question ask a question that has a hidden assumption
11. Part to Whole if part of something is true, then it is true for all
12. Whole to Part if its true to the whole, then it must be true to the part
13. Either Or give someone two choices when there are three or more

Make a Statistical Failure (weak proof):

14. Generalization use an unlikely example or "sample" of something to prove a certainty
15. Weak Analogy use a comparison between two things that have more differences than similarities to prove a certainty.
16. Ergo Hoc (therefore this) make a weak cause and effect connection to prove a certainty

Use Propaganda (emotional blackmail):

17. Fear "be afraid, be very afraid"
18. Pity appeal for an argument for pitys sake
19. Bandwagon "everyone does it"
20. Emergency! urgent!
21. Transfer create a strong feeling, good or bad, about one thing then attempt to tie it to something unrelated
22. Snobbery "only for the elite"
23. Tradition/Hi Tech snobbery based on tradition or techiness

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And t raider, my pops figured it out...now he's making bank. He pays more in taxes than he ever did before, but you will never hear him bitch...my dad understands the concept of a social contract as do a lot of old school republicans I know. We're not living in caves or shooting indians in the wild west (sorry memphis). We depend on one another.

SPIT BALLS!
JJ,
Will always regret selling mine back to school, my fave class by bounds. Eh, I did well enough, my notebook is at least partially valid :).

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Cultural amnesia or the relativisation of fact?

George Bush claimed that Iraq could
not account for massive stockpiles of
biological weapons, citing a prominent
Iraqi defector who actually had
contradicted Bushs claim.1
President Bush emphatically stated
that Iraq possessed dispersed and
weaponized chemical weapons,
despite a report from his own Defense
Intelligence Agency that there is no
reliable information on whether
Iraq is producing and stockpiling
chemical weapons 2
The president flatly stated that Iraq had
purchased aluminum tubes to be used for
enriching uranium, when this erroneous
view had already been disputed by top
government technical experts.3
George Bush claimed that Iraq had
tried to purchase yellowcake uranium
in Niger, even though the CIA had
sent two memos to the White House
voicing strong doubt about the veracity
of this claim.4
1) Bush made his claim during a speech 10/7/02. Defector Hussein Kamal actually told UN officials that all such weapons had been destroyed after the first Gulf War, according to the transcript of his UN debriefing.
2) The presidents statement was made in a national radio address 2/8/03.DIAs contrary assessment was made the previous September. 3) President Bushs statement was made during his 10/7/02 speech.The
dissent by top technical experts at the Department of Energy was publicly disclosed by former UN weapons inspector David Albright two months previously. 4) Bush made this claim in his 2003 State of the Union
message.The two CIA memos were sent to the White House three months earlier, according to media reports.

Still snug and comfy wrapped in your flags?

Source: fox news

Aw hell lets give him a second chance

This one sounds familiar JJ --17. Fear "be afraid, be very afraid"

Their governments redistribute wealth more than ours this takes the poeples will to work away.
why work hard when the gov will take care of you? Thus their GNP suffers

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And the citizenry "suffer" 6 week vacations, shorter work weeks, universal health care, lower crime rates and free access to higher education...suckers!

44: are you done unpacking yet?

Later... I'm riding my bike to kamakura, japan's old capital....sayonara! I'll send you all a post-card...

One question t raider... Are you white? _{uh oh I just opened up a whole dead can o' worms there...} the only people that I can honestly tell you that know what life is like in this country and being a minority are now the working class poor. People who are busting their ass in two FT jobs and still have to go to the food bank to make ends meet. If the minority voice doesn't do it for you, take a look at your fellow white workers around the world and maybe you will have the veneer removed from your cortex. And who said I wasn't successful, I am doing just fine thank you, this isn't about me here. What I am arguing for and about is Racial justice and equality for all people. IF I sound bitter and jaded it's because some of y'all still just don't get that you benefit to this very day from a system of oppression that was implemented 100's of years ago.

From the Slate article:

Well, after wading through piles of words (good descriptions), this is finally the writer's point. To combine readings?

So to conflact = defeat. But he confuses that by saying "...he invaded Iraq with good intentions, and I believe them." Hmmm, #16?

And Bush lies about something that Kerry thinks? Whether that is a lie or not a lie, is this writer in Kerry's head? Be afraid of Bush, be very afraid?

Worst still, there's a bit of #8 here. Why does he deserve to be defeated? Because he lies and purposely missed the nuclear thing. Why did he lie? Because he is misleading us. Nice to have a few reasons with all the warmth...

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Now I have to admit that I heard enough of #20 on the last day of the RNC that I had to just turn it off...

I don't like urgent.

@ Tally

If you find a great logic book or course, it is rare. Most logic materials are boo-awful and incredibly boring, boring, boring. Mine don't come out for air much and will go unnamed.

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@stink: Even Fox News is attacking Bush? Now that's bad. That's like having your own dog betray you.
I love the "second chance" article!
- BombJames Bomb

@ t-raider

The "five dollar bill" remark classic. LOL @ Tally as well - great wit present.

@ stinky, OM, Tally, JB

I still am flabbergasted none of you see "the mirror".

Example:

I wasn't trying to discredit anyone's source - it was pretty obvious that what I chose was, in my opinion, as biased towards my POV as I felt stinky's was to his POV. This is "the mirror" I have been talking about.

When I said

I was being dead-ass serious. Think about how out of touch, disoriented, babe in the woods lost sheep you think Republicans are. Welll - the feeling's mutual! Again - the mirror.

(Pulls pin on thermite grenade) - here's another example - would be interested both sides POV on this.

@ stinky

If you're dad's paying over $10M a month in taxes (pre-credits) and not complaining then he is the first I've heard of (ever wonder how much George Soros pays? There's a way to find out as matter of public record)

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@ JJ

Man, I really needed that damn book earlier today.........Great post!

Let's see - #'s 5, 11, 18, 22..........

Ps - stinky - Lonewolf's email is in his profile, or at least it was.

Chief...10M? No one ever said any thing like that, you silly goose.
as to your choices and mine: I choose mainstream sources for obvious reasons. You chose half-assed think tanks, blogs and e-zines...not much claim to objectivity and authority there...

I know you didn't try to discredit my sources...you didn't seem to do much with them at all.

Ps. Sorry for bullying you.

Quick perusal of that source chief...its vitriolic. Here's the first line from their mission statement:

"War IS an ugly thing, but as long as nations and leaders exist that detest freedom, sometimes it is the only way to secure a lasting peace. Most leftist anti-war protesters and pundits don't understand this. They state that this use of force is always unnecessary -- that war, ANY war, is never good."

Over simplification
straw man
generalization

Ps chief: any word from the mainstream press about how bush DIDN'T LIE? DIDN'T LET ENRON SET OUR ENERGY POLICY? HASN'T CREATED THE LARGEST DEFICIT IN US HISTORY? ISN'T REPEALING ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROLS?, HASN'T LOST 2.2 MILLION JOBS? ETC. ETC ETC?

Just wondering.

My most popular link, for people looking for something comprehensive [I think it's comprehensive. Comprehensive mb].
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic

Enron just about single-handedly destroyed the economy of the state of california. We pay for that now with a governor that never had an original thought in his life. Think about the fact that this idiot, by sheer cult of personality, a political ladder who's rungs are composed of regugitated movie catchphrases and SNL punchlines.

Economic girly men? Are you fucking kidding me?

[Apologies for off-topicness. JJ I'll reread that tomorrow and get back to you. Chief, is that an "agree to disagree" line? That link is clownish, though perhaps I could see why you would equate it, mirror quality, to the George Bush 2nd Chance link, which I was... Uh... Briefly fooled by.:) ]

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@Memphis sorry I didnt mean only you I meant everybody can find someone to blame their problems on if they want to. I just find it better to see how I can overcome my problems and
get on with it.

Are you successful from your drive or did you wait around from the government to give you what you need

Yes im white and have no idea of how discrimination feels so thanks for all your race's free labor
and thanks to all the kids who worked before the child labor laws
and thanks for all the immegrants who worked in the sweat shops
and thanks to the indians for their land
and thanks to the soldiers who have lost thier lives
Americas wealth was bore on the backs of poeple who got no with it and now we are the richest country in the world and all we do is complain and wine that so and so has it better than me and that isn't fair.

So maybe immorities have good cause to complain. Im sorry I dont understand, like I siad I have no idea what its like. So if something is holding your race down im all for fixing it, but dont know how to help because I dont undrestand.Better inner-city schools?

T raider

Is that... Joke?
This is joke:
http://www.campchaos.com/show.php?iID=868
So is this:
http://www.campchaos.com/show.php?iID=887
This one too:
http://www.campchaos.com/show.php?iID=869

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@TH- LOL! Those are classics yet again. Love that "sovereign nation" one. And people really want to vote for this buffoon? I get more incredulous by the minute!

Haven't clicked any links yet!

@ stinky

No apology necessary - I kinda got out of hand myself.....I violated # 15 myself.

On the $10M / mo - I was making an assumption of a 37% tax bracket and doing the math on $30M/mo. I really shouldn't have brought that forward either and I apologize - I am sincerely glad to hear of your father's success, perticularly with the history there.

As to the "Protest Warrior" link - I just couldn't help linking it. Yes, it is vitriolic, depending on what side of the fence you're on. I thought the videos were funny as hell though - "F you a**hole!" Classic. My point was again to point out the mirror.

Regarding the mainsteam press' reporting on the issues, the only real one I take issue with are the Enron and job loss points. I don't think anyone's denying that during W's administration the energy companies had a greater influence than they did during the Clinton administrations - the opposite was true in 1992-2000....but, I don't think Ken Lay and W are personally responsible for it. As far as the job loss - I always thought that it was generally assumed fact that the recession that was caused stock market tech bubble bursting coupled with 9/11 was more responsible for the job losses than W. I actually credit W's tax cuts for the fact that "net/net" we'll wind up with a lower job loss by January of 2005 - irregardless of who's being sworn in. Also - food for thought - a large part of the jobs lost were due to the tech bubble busrting. That was more to do with the various dot com's stupisity (i.e. Losing their ass as part of a business plan) than Bush. I think the DNC came up with that plank and not Kerry, with the DNC being pro-union. Right or wrong, how can the Democratic Party have ANY OTHER POSITION? Any other position on jobs basically endorses Bush's economic policy.

@ Tally

Yeah - pretty much was a "no matter how hard we try and convince one another we're gonna keep the same position" statement. Although, I have had a blast discussing this with all of you and have come away with a greater understanding of why everyone is taking the position's they are.

@ All

Going to the beach with the wife for the weekend. A happy and safe Labor Day to all!!

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LOL

Jj:

Isnt that the master list of tools to use during a press conference for US Presidents?

Tally

LMAO.....i want some more dumbass bush clips

B

Dont let the sun burn your GW loving ass. Ill think of you while I work on labor day.

Lol

B

Look Chief, I don't recall insulting your intelligence or anything. It's just that the Republican party has nominated some pretty good presidents in the past. The current Bush is not one of them. And then they decide they want to KEEP him after all he is done.

I'm sorry, but you are going to have deal with the fact that many people will consider the Republicans to be friggin idiots for doing so. I would have taken a serious look at McCain personally.

- BombJames Bomb

Jeez, maybe this is all it boils down to JB. Good call. Aren't people who support idiots a bit suspect? The guy didn't even flinch when he popped that boner about how we never stop looking at ways to defeat ourselves....ditto the "peance freeance" debacle....l

Look guys, this dude is just not all that bright...strike that, he's a gd moron.

Chief, I missed the video links...i'll go check those out now...good for a laugh?

@ Tally

Forget responding to my post on the Slate article. I am too far behind on this thread.

If I made an incorrect call, I accept it. I am trying to catch up. Had no idea how far behind until I started backtracking...

I do wish you fellers would preface your inserted quotes with where they are from. Man, it makes it hard.

And t raider and chef, go here: link . Just one push makes it go merrier. We accept Stink's spelling.

@ Stink

What is the deal with that Fox News post? Sounds interesting, but even after leaning hard right and tilting my head slightly backward to bring it together, it still wouldn't paginate. Link?

Last edited: Monday, September 06, 2004 at 12:39:22 AM

Bolo about time we here from you

Jj thanks for the help, im downloading now but alot of times those spell checkers dont have a clue of what the H im trying to type and if it gives me a list I dont know half the words on the list :S

Now it just told me the download failed because of a possible virus; sabatage?
or sabatauge?
or sabbitage?
or sabbitauge?
or did you do this on purpose
or purpuss?
or purpise?
danm where's the dictionary, maybe we need better rural schools too.

T raider

If you get rid of the 'townie' teachers, rural schools seem to do just fine. It's the teachers that loved HS so much that they decided to stay and teach it that muck up that scenario.

JJ that fox news thing was actually a joke...of course they wouldn't print that...too fair and balanced.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=558102

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bush and jesus 2004

"Will you clog our nation's city halls with overly-perfumed homosexuals applying for marriage licenses, thereby undermining the sanctity of marriage and requiring True Christians to wait in longer lines for each of their many marriage licenses?"

All together now: Hell no!

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'We cannot let terrorists and rogue nations hold this nation hostile or hold our allies hostile.'

'This case has had full analyzation and has been looked at a lot. I understand the emotionality of death penalty cases.'

'The benefits of helping somebody is beneficial.'

'[We will] use our technology to enhance uncertainty abroad.'

'...more and more of our imports are coming from overseas.'

'If the terriers and bariffs are torn down, this economy will grow.'

'There is no doubt in my mind that this country cannot achieve any objective we put our mind to.'

'It's hard to be successful if you don't make something somebody doesn't want to buy.'

'I had the opportunity to go out to Goree Island and talk about what slavery meant to America. It's very interesting when you think about it, the slaves who left here to go to America, because of their steadfast and their religion and their belief in freedom, helped change America. America is what it is today because of what went on in the past.'

'I think war is a dangerous place.'

'Sometimes, Washington is one of these towns where the person - people who think they've got the sharp elbow is the most effective person.'

'I know the human being and fish can co-exist peacefully.'

'The most important job is not to be governor, or first lady in my case.'

'Will the highways on the Internet become more few?'

'Drug therapies are replacing a lot of medicines as we used to know it.'

'I think if you know what you believe, it makes it a lot easier to answer questions. I can't answer your question.'

'Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.'

'We don't believe in planners and deciders making the decisions on behalf of Americans.'

'We want our teachers to be trained so they can meet the obligations, their obligations as teachers. We want them to know how to teach the science of reading. In order to make sure there's not this kind of federal federal cufflink.'

'You're working hard to put food on your family.'

'I think it's interesting. I'm a follower of American politics.'

'You teach a child to read and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.'

'I understand small business growth. I was one.'

Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream.'

Id laugh if he wasnt my president.

Source: the three functioning neurons in G. W. Bushs head

how come the left is so much funnier than the right? I notice the right don't really do irony very well...

Why do so many of us vote against our economic interests? Where's the outrage at corporate manipulators? And whatever happened to middle-American progressivism? The questions are urgent as well as provocative. Frank answers them by examining pop conservatism--the bestsellers, the radio talk shows, the vicious political combat--and showing how our long culture wars have left us with an electorate far more concerned with their leaders' "values" and down-home qualities than with their stands on hard questions of policy. A brilliant analysis--and funny to boot--"What's the Matter with Kansas? Presents a critical assessment of who we are, while telling a remarkable story of how a group of frat boys, lawyers, and CEOs came to convince a nation that they spoke on behalf of the People.

http://www.booksamillion.com/ncom/books?id=2936481204595&isbn=0805073396

All together now "People:" Baaaaaaaaaa! Baaaaaaaa! Hate hate, gnash gnash, freedom freedom, unemployment...baaaaaaaa! Baaaaaa! Unwed mothers.....prayer in school......record deficit.....halliburton scadal.....uranium yellow cake.....baaaaaaa! 9/11! Baaaaaaa! 9/11!

Peance freeance, out

Pace yourself, farm boy.

Guilty of #17 several times there. If you are trying to convince me that Republicans are all like that, you can't with such a weak sample.

Also, I smell a little #21 with these "George-isms." I think, I think that I am starting to feel completely bad about him.

He talks like a Texan. Yup and shucks. The President of the short sentence. It works sometimes. Not so bad. Occasionally, it works for me. Try it. Sometimes, longer sentences are good... But, he should stay away from the spontaneous.

Anyway, I thought we had covered this one. JB mentioned a "lard ass" at his work who reads difficult schematics easily. As a speech therapist, you generally don't see folks with slow speech who have intelligence, you said. (Always true?)

What do you think of this?:

You all are starting to sound like grammar teachers. Bush and Kerry are part of leadership groups, aren't they? Leadership teams are being elected. Not orators. (It always surprised me that Reagan could stump the media so well with his glibness.)

BTW, that quote was from How to Get Into Politics -- And Why by Michael Dukakis.

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I was not a full-timer like you and t raider, but I know what it's like to stand ankle deep in manure and shovel for several hours. (Here, hold this fence wire for me, boy. It's not hot. Zap!)

Explain why Scottie Pippin, the multi-million dollar pro basketball player, got support from the USDA for his farm just the same as the farmers who net $30K per year and who needed it more? It wasn't RR that did that. That has been going on for years. Good tax policy at work? Seems like the Dems would have fixed that.

BTW, that is on the public record.

Click on this and find a farm: link

And click on this and find a city slicker: link

OH NO, I find a listing for a Mr. Fo Fo in New York! Six figures, too...

Last edited: Monday, September 06, 2004 at 1:28:09 PM

Back in the dairy business, we didn't get any federal money to "not produce."

And Jiggly J.: I'm just being a pain in the ass...jest pissin around outta boredom...

Oh yeah...typically low communication and low intelligence scores go hand in hand...however, there is such a thing as a specific language disorder, a developmental disability sometimes co-occuring with reading disabilities, sometimes found on its own...

There are also other disorders which result from brain injury, disease, accidents or some other form of trauma which affect different aspects of language but leave other cognitive functions more or less in tact...

But my professional opinion is...the guy's a clod. Lol.

Hey, what do you think of the analysis blurb from thomas' franks new book "what's the matter with kansas?"? Interesting take, doncha think....doesn't it strike you funny that the majority of the working class used to be demos, but now there not? His analysis makes sense to me...haven't read the book but he had a condensed piece in harper's about 4 months ago...interesting reading.

Lincoln had a high squeaky voice and was NOT a good speaker. He wasnt the DUMBEST man in history...

B

I don't think they are discussing tone so much.
Also, do not confuse the local drawl with slowness, though bush doesn't drawl, he's just slow. I believe people take longer to get to the point when they have no point to make, or when points are to be fabricated.
This man is a snake.
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/international/international-security-graham-saudi.html