Anyone paying attention to this bullsh%t? Check this out:

A group of far-right Bush allies released an ugly and outrageous ad which claims that John Kerry faked his injuries, betrayed his troops, and "dishonored his country" in Vietnam. The ad features people who say "I served with John Kerry" (although they didn't) and who make numerous provably false accusations about Kerry's war record. It's one of the most vile tactics seen yet in Bush's ferociously negative campaign.

The "Swift Boat" ad is so far beyond the pale that even Senator John McCain, a Bush supporter, spoke out about it, calling it "dishonest and dishonorable." Yet despite Senator McCain's request that President Bush "specifically condemn" the ad, Bush refuses to say anything about it.

It's clear that the ad continues the tradition of Bush campaign dirty tricks. In a recent interview, Senator McCain noted that the ad "was the same kind of deal that was pulled on me" in 2000. McCain was referring to a vicious smear campaign -- which included race-baiting allegations that he had a black child our of wedlock -- run by close Bush allies in 2000. In fact, the same firm that ran some of the anti-McCain ads in 2000 produced the "Swift Boat" ad. And although the group claims to be independent of the Republican party, the group's funding mostly comes from a longtime Bush supporter who gave over $20,000 to his campaigns for Texas governor. Further, today it was announced that one of the subjects in the ad is a member of the Bush-Cheney campaign's veterans steering committee.

The "Swift Boat" campaign is a classical political hit job. But even before the ad went on the air, the Washington Post ran a piece discussing how President Bush is running the most negative presidential campaign in U.S. History. In an article titled "From Bush, Unprecedented Negativity," the Post quotes an expert who says that "there is more attack now on the Bush side against Kerry than you've historically had in the general-election period against either candidate."

Discussing the "Swift Boat" ad, Senator John McCain said, "I deplore this kind of politics." Nebraska Governor Mike Johanns (R) called the ad "trash" and even Pat Buchanan said "not a single charge is substantiated... I think the ad is wrong." But George Bush won't condemn it.

Jim Rassman, a Republican veteran who served under Kerry, recently wrote an opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal. He told the story of how Kerry saved his life. And he concluded with these words on the "Swift Boat" veterans: "[W]hen the noise and fog of their distortions and lies have cleared, a man who volunteered to serve his country, a man who showed up for duty when his country called, a man to whom the United States Navy awarded a Silver Star, a Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts, will stand tall and proud. Ultimately, the American people will judge these Swift Boat Veterans for Bush and their accusations. Americans are tired of smear campaigns against those who volunteered to wear the uniform.

Swift Boat Veterans for Bush should hang their heads in shame.

@ t raider

I honestly believe that with the fall of the USSR, the US is viewed as a natural threat due to it's stance as the lone superpower. Not so much about Bush - but when we decided to go it alone outside the UN it pissed a lot of people off and made them wary. That's where the "imperialism" comments come from.

Haven't had a chance to get caught up reading the rest of this thread, but do want to drop in with this:

Will be interesting to see if it happens.

@t raider:

You guys should talk about using hate threads and bad jokes and concentrating on distaste of the incumbent. How the hell do you think Bush got in the White House in the first place? Certainly not by his credentials. The news were pumped full of Monica jokes and how Clinton lied. That is ALL we heard.

Table is a turnin'.

- BombJames Bomb

Just got a funny email

@ Bolo

LOL

@ JB

The funniest part about it is that what you are saying is true - Clinton lied under oath. The Monica crap was, at least to anyone thinking about it, the cat that ran in front of the car and caused the wreck.

The electorate got pissed off at Clinton for lying under oath - that's one HUGE reason Gore stepped as far away from Clinton as he did.

@ JB

He wasnt running against Clinton it was Gore, you know ,the guy who invented the internet

I dont know Kerry today announced they are pulling adds from 6 of the 22 states
that they had viewed as key toss-up states and its not because they are now
winning them

Kerry is in my state today addressing the seniors he said "We are spending
$200 billion per year in Iraq that we could be spending in Iowa on health care"
I guess that leaves the rest of you out in the cold or maybe he plans on making
Iowa the natoinal hospital with its central location or do you think the seniors
are smart enough to figure it out

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Ack. My intelligence rating just dropped 37 points. Yes, it was Clinton's PUPPET that was running against Bush. Damn, that was a crappy election year. Funny how my memory blocks the traumatic moments in my life. I voted for Nader. My time would have been better spent painting the fence.

As for Clinton, I think the most amazing thing is how shocked people were that a politician would lie under oath. You mean to tell me that if we made a president go under oath every time he gave a speech, we would finally get the non-spin truth? Dang, why didn't we come up with that earlier?

I must say that Clinton had a proficiency for "out of the pot, into the fryer" like I have never seen!
"I smoked, but didn't inhale." Oh, so you broke the law, but were too stupid to reap the benefits?
"I did not have sexual relations with that person." Explain to me how lying under oath to your country will put you in less hot water than playing with your secretary. You have no sense of scale.

Amazes me how politicians think they can still get away with this stuff by a shiny smile and a slick line. This ain't the 19th century. We have the technology to obtain evidence and convict you. Sooner or later, honesty will become the best policy, as long as the people continue to ask the hard questions. My biggest beef is Bush's two-face actions with his military support. I think he honestly believes that soldiers don't read the papers. Whatever.

- BombJames Bomb

@JB

If Bush gets back into office then you will know how we felt 8 years ago

Bush may be saying well I did snort but I blew my nose right afterwards

I can see your point you have good reason to dislike him

Last edited: Thursday, September 09, 2004 at 5:55:07 PM

You doubt that Clinton wouldn't still be president if we didn't have term restrictions? Keep in mind the fact that he WON the electorate, and that he probably won the electoral college.

This was a misquotation, said as much by all parties involved.

I can't figure out who you're attacking, specifically: Seniors, Iowans, Kerry, his democratic supports, your opposition on the board, the infirm, my mother or my sister.

Your reply is totally out of context.

Last edited: Thursday, September 09, 2004 at 6:10:06 PM

@ Tally

His reply made perect sense to me - he was being a smartass. I kinda like it. And yes, before you or Stinky reply "you would...." I am a smartass by nature.

Okee dokee. Try this then.

WASHINGTON George W. Bush and Dick Cheney have always used the president's father as a reverse lodestar. In 1992, the senior Mr. Bush wooed the voters with "Message: I care.'' So this week, Mr. Cheney wooed the voters with, Message: You die.

The terrible beauty of its simplicity grows on you. It is a sign of the dark, macho, paranoid vice president's restraint that he didn't really take it to its emotionally satisfying conclusion: Message: Vote for us or we'll kill you.

Without Zell Miller around to out-crazy him, and unplugged after a convention that tried to "humanize'' him with grandchildren, horses and wifely anecdotes about his inability to dance the twist, Mr. Cheney is back as Terrifier in Chief.

He finally simply spit out what the Bush team has been more subtly trying to convey for months: A vote for John Kerry is a vote for the terrorists.

"Because if we make the wrong choice,'' Mr. Cheney said in Des Moines in that calm baritone, "then the danger is that we'll get hit again. That we'll be hit in a way that will be devastating from the standpoint of the United States, and that we'll fall back into the pre-9/11 mind-set if you will, that in fact these terrorist attacks are just criminal acts, and that we're not really at war.''

These guys figure, hey, these scare tactics worked in building support for the Iraq war, maybe they can work in tearing down support for John Kerry. They linked Saddam with terrorism and cowed the Democrats (including Mr. Kerry, who has never been able to make the case against the Bush administration's trompe l'oeil casus belli) and fooled the country into going along with their trumped-up war. So why not link Mr. Kerry with terrorism and cow the voters into sticking with the White House they've got?

It's like that fairy tale where vipers and toads jump out of the mouth of the accursed mean little girl when she tries to speak. Every time Mr. Cheney opens his mouth, vermin leap out.

The vice president and president did not even mention Osama at the convention because of the inconvenient fact that the fiend is still out there, plotting. Yet they denigrate Mr. Kerry as too weak to battle Osama, and treat him as a greater threat.

Mr. Cheney implies that John Kerry couldn't protect us from an attack like 9/11, blithely ignoring the fact that he and President Bush didn't protect us from the real 9/11. Think of what brass-knuckled Republicans could have made of a 9/11 tape of an uncertain Democratic president giving a shaky statement that looked like a hostage tape and flying randomly from air base to air base, as the veep ordered that planes be shot down.

Mr. Cheney warns against falling back "into the pre-9/11 mind-set,'' when, in fact, the Bush team's pre-9/11 mind-set was all about being stuck in the cold war and reviving "Star Wars" - which doesn't work and is useless against terrorist tactics. The Bush crowd played down terrorism because Bill Clinton and Sandy Berger had told their successors that Osama was a priority, and the Bushies scorned all things Clinton. The president shrugged off intelligence briefings with such headlines as "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States'' because there was brush to be cleared and unaffordable tax-cutting to be done.

After the blue-ribbon graybeards declared the Bush administration's pumped-up W.M.D. Claims and Saddam-9/11 links bogus, the White House went into a defensive crouch - especially the man in the undisclosed bunker, who had veered wildly between overly pessimistic predictions of Saddam's nukes and overly optimistic predictions of grateful Iraqis with flowers and chocolates.

For a time, it seemed that Americans were realizing they'd been flimflammed by the Bushies. But at the convention, the swaggering Bush juggernaut brazenly went back to boasting about its pre-emption doctrine, tracing imaginary connections between 9/11 and Saddam, and calling all our foes terrorists.

Why should the same group that managed to paint a flextime guardsman as a heroic commander - and a war hero as a war criminal - bother rebutting or engaging with critics?

As the deaths of American men and women fighting in Iraq topped 1,000, and with insurgents controlling parts of central Iraq, the White House trotted out the same old discredited line, assuming it can wear - and scare - everyone down by November.
"""
Seems to me that the cat is completely out of the bag now. The covert fear platform has become the overt fear platform.
Vote for us or die?

We need a president with true honorary military experience!
We need a president who knows when to express anger, and to channel that energy!
We need a president who is honest, motivated, and loved not only by Americans, but by many other countries as well.

Use the write-in slot on your voting ballot. Vote Donald Duck for president!

(If you want the pope slapped, then Stinky is a good choice too.)

- BombJames Bomb

I too am a smart ass...

TMO: glad you are still around...sorry, but the way I interpretted the other thread was that we had done something wrong here...and then it appeared as a slink off and regroup thing happening there...sorry. There was some anger...some of it mine...but we all seem to have moved beyond that now...happily.

T-Raid...you keep assuming I'm a democrat...i abandoned that party about 8 years ago when I realized that that party had abandoned me. I generally vote democrat by default.

And speaking of smear...you smeared gore...alluding to the charge against him that he invented the internet! That is a classic smear! Gore never even said that, I saw (or was it heard?) the original speech...he clearly stated that he helped make funding availible for the internet...but the nasty spin doctors got a hold of it and the rest is history.

Chief: I agree...i think the rest of the world is wary of the US as the sole super power...(as that story I posted may support). That is partly why the unilateral pre-emptive war went over like a lead balloon with the rest of the world. In terms of gore losing...2 things come to mind...the first is florida and the supreme court and the popular vote...but the second is gore's cowardly distancing himself from the successes of the clinton administration...in away, he refusal to link himself to clinton made him seem like a new-comer....

In terms of clinton lieing....read my post way above where I cite an article from harpers (at length...i apologize). The reason clinton was even forced to testify under oathe about such a trivial thing (and the reason bush will never be asked to testify under oathe about his lies concerning iraq) results from the power and the coercion of national agenda setting billionares....

T-Raid...sorry buddy, but Bush earned my hate...Kerry hasn't really earned my respect...so all I have to go on is my hate of bush....and as I said, he earned it. Ruling from the right has alienated me. Nearly ever stance he has taken, from the environment, civil liberties, foreign policy, education, health care, corporate coruption, and energy has been an insult and an affront to working class americans.

We've talked a bunch about hating bush, but why do you love him? Assuming you are not a millionare...what's to like?

Last edited: Thursday, September 09, 2004 at 8:11:02 PM

@ stinky

Fantastic post!

In all honesty, other than the Clitnon-related issues, I voted for Bush in 2000 because from what I read I felt like he had done a good job as governor of Texas. It has always been my opinion that Reagan set up the economic boom of the '90's and that Clinton took credit for it....in the grass roots industry I was in at the time (transportation), I was well into feeling the effects of the recession - it actually started for us in early 1999 (one reason why I got out of that industry). So, I felt like a Republican was necessary in the White House to re-align those economic policies.

I will vote for him again this year primarily due to his handling of the War on Terror. I guess that's one big difference that I just caught - I think the Bush Administration sees this as truly a war. I just don't get that vibe from Kerry or whomk I perceive his team would be post 01/2005. I get more of a "it's a crime" vibe. I also truly believe that the tax cuts he pushed through single-handedly revived this economy. I see it every day - small businesses are acquiring equipment and hiring people to operate the equipment because of it.

What's to like about Bush?

Hmmmmm

(long, pensive silence)

Any chance his daughters are lesbians?

--44 (still lurking, still too busy, maybe a little wimpy)

@ fo fo

If they are I'd like to see them on the campaign trail...........I'll buy a ticket to that.

One last post before I go home for the evening...this is a joke a friend of mine emailed me:

Cows: the complete story.

DEMOCRAT
You have two cows.
Your neighbor has none.
You feel guilty for being successful.
Barbara Streisand sings for you.

REPUBLICAN
You have two cows.
Your neighbor has none.
So what?

SOCIALIST
You have two cows.
The government takes one and gives it to your
neighbor.
You form a cooperative to tell him how to manage his
cow.

COMMUNIST
You have two cows.
The government seizes both and provides you with milk.
You wait in line for hours to get it.
It is expensive and sour.

CAPITALISM, AMERICAN STYLE
You have two cows.
You sell one, buy a bull, and build a herd of cows.

DEMOCRACY, AMERICAN STYLE
You have two cows.
The government taxes you to the point you have to sell
both to support a
man in a foreign country who has only one cow, which
was a gift
from your government.

BUREAUCRACY, AMERICAN STYLE
You have two cows.
The government takes them both, shoots one, milks the
other,
pays you for the milk, and then pours the milk down
the drain.

AMERICAN CORPORATION
You have two cows.
You sell one, lease it back to yourself and do an IPO
on the 2nd one.
You force the two cows to produce the milk of four
cows. You
are surprised when one cow drops dead. You spin an
announcement to the
analysts stating you have down sized and are reducing
expenses.
Your stock goes up.

FRENCH CORPORATION
You have two cows.
You go on strike because you want three cows.
You go to lunch and drink wine.
Life is good.

JAPANESE CORPORATION
You have two cows.
You redesign them so they are one tenth the size of an
ordinary cow
and produce twenty times the milk.
They learn to travel on unbelievably crowded trains.
Most are at the top of their class at cow school.

GERMAN CORPORATION
You have two cows.
You engineer them so they are all blond, drink lots of
beer,
give excellent quality milk, and run a hundred miles
an hour.
Unfortunately they also demand 13 weeks of vacation
per year.

ITALIAN CORPORATION
You have two cows but you don't know where they are.
While ambling around, you see a beautiful woman.
You break for lunch.
Life is good.

RUSSIAN CORPORATION
You have two cows.
You have some vodka.
You count them and learn you have five cows.
You have some more vodka.
You count them again and learn you have 42 cows.
The Mafia shows up and takes over however many cows
you really
have.

TALIBAN CORPORATION
You have all the cows in Afghanistan, which are two.
You don't milk them because you cannot touch any
creature's
private parts.

Then you kill them and claim a US bomb blew them up
while
they were in the hospital.

IRAQI CORPORATION
You have two cows.
They go into hiding.
They send radio tapes of their mooing.

POLISH CORPORATION
You have two bulls.
Employees are regularly maimed and killed attempting
to milk
them.

FLORIDA CORPORATION
You have a black cow and a brown cow.
Everyone votes for the best looking one.
Some of the people who like the brown one best, vote
for the
black one.
Some people vote for both.
Some people vote for neither.
Some people can't figure out how to vote at all.
Finally, a bunch of guys from out-of-state tell you
which is
the best looking cow.

CALIFORNIAN CORPORATION
You have a cow and a bull.
The bull is depressed.
It has spent its life living a lie.
It goes away for two weeks.
It comes back after a taxpayer-paid sex-change
operation.
You now have two cows.
One makes milk; the other doesn't.
You try to sell the transgender cow.
Its lawyer sues you for discrimination.
You lose in court.
You sell the milk-generating cow to pay the damages.
You now have one rich, transgender, non-milk-producing
cow.
You change your business to beef.
PETA pickets your farm.
Jesse Jackson makes a speech in your driveway.
Cruz Bustamante calls for higher farm taxes to help
"working
cows".
Hillary Clinton calls for the nationalization of 1/7
of your
farm "for the children".
Schwarzenegger signs a law giving your farm to Mexico.
The L.A. Times quotes five anonymous cows claiming you
groped
them.
You declare bankruptcy and shut down all operations.
The cow starves to death.
The L.A. Times' analysis shows your business failure
is Bush's
fault.

Well I know that JJ, T raider and I are glad this post has finally strayed into our area of expertise...Cows!, personally, though they give less milk, I prefer the jersey...gentle doe-like eyes, creamy brown fur, supple pink teats, a certain jenny-say qwa? (er, don't really speak french...like that sissy kerry). Man, do I like jerseys!!!

George Bush:
Dad gives him 4 cows
but he goes on a two week cocaine bender
the cows get mastitis and die
his buddies the saudi's feel bad for him and give him a couple camels and a lexus
he accuses his neighbors of being bad farmers,
he is elected president of the creamery

Ps...thanks chief! Glad you're still in!
and 44: speak up, I can't hear you...always mumbling sompin bout lesbians...

Those cows were more lucid when they were gas-stations, but I digress.
Speaking of pedestrian amusements, here's another:

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*IRAQI CORPORATION
You have two cows.
They go into hiding.
They send radio tapes of their mooing.

* sounds like the dick cheney cow.

Hallibuton
You have no cows, but get a non-bid contract
to milk the government's cows.
you charge $1000 an hour, and you bill for a 25 hour day
you then sell your milk back to the government at a 500% mark-up
you send the vice president of america on an expense paid vacation
out of the goodness of your heart

Liberals
you have free range cows
you pay your milker's health care and give weekends off
you pay lots of taxes so your milkers kids can go to good schools
you don't fund the military
and canadian para-military take over your farm, rape your cows
enslave you and your family...and
THAT'S WHAT YOU GET YOU GODDAM WHIMPS!

BUSH-VOTERS

You have four cows.
You think any one of them is qualified to be President.

Bout time 44! I nearly peed myself...that is funny

@stink - no problem. I wasn't 100% clear in my post, but in the original post I didn't feel like getting too specific and pointing fingers. This thread is a large part of it, but only because I was so active in here. If I hadn't been so active here, it wouldn't have gotten to me nearly as much. All the "ban X" / "hate Y" / "hang W from the nearest tree by his little toes" posts play a large part in my decision too. My lack of 'down time' isn't helping matters. Fortunately I'm out next week and should get some good relaxing in.

Ahhhh... Vacation. I'll be in DC. I plan on doing a bunch of Smithsonian browsing. Perhaps the Library of Congress too, since I haven't seen it. Since I am apparently such a big buddy of Bush's, I'll pass on all your love to him and your solemn pledge to donate to his re-election campaign when I meet with him for lunch. ;)

Yes, you wanted to know that. I don't know WHY you wanted to know that, but you did. Trust me.

TMO: taking care and get some relax...er...i saw that on a tee shirt here in japan the other day... Its a kind sentiment, and I wish it upon you.

Btw...if you get close enuff to GW, will you give him a titty twister from me? Thanks

Ps...you ever milk cows? Just curious

Hey, where the hell are the candadians in this debate? C'mon guys, its your country too..sorta.

be afraid

Not me. I'm from Los Angeles originally. Big ol' city boy here. My mother's from a farm though, and she hated every minute of it.

:) my kind of woman!

comic linky

How come conservatives just aren't funny?

If you think Boondocks is conservative, read the archives. Very liberal. You'd probably like it.

Aye, boondocks is good stuff. Not conservative at all, and indeed, rather amusing at times. Can't judge a comic by a strip as far as comedy goes, but dude does write with a skewer.
Anyway, for the good jank, the political cartoons are money.
http://www.ucomics.com/tonyauth/
http://www.ucomics.com/danwasserman/
http://www.ucomics.com/anntelnaes/
http://www.ucomics.com/laloalcaraz/
http://www.ucomics.com/davidhorsey/ <-----hot shit
http://www.ucomics.com/donwright/
o hell...
http://www.ucomics.com/editorials/
even
http://www.ucomics.com/animatedoliphant/
makes a point low-budget style [acid rain is a vegetable].
De-regulate before it's too late!

http://www.ucomics.com/mattdavies/ <----more hot poo.

I think W is pretty laughable. Does that count as a funny conservative?

Anyone paying attention to this cow m@#%? Check this out:

Former Texas House Speaker and Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes released an ugly and outrageous news story on 60 Minutes which claims that he helped pull strings to keep George Bush in the Air National Guard. The news story features memos that supposedly prove Bush ducked his duty to serve and avoided Vietnam. It's one of the most vile tactics seen yet in Kerrys lukewarm negative campaign.

Memos obtained from Bushs squadron commander, Col. Jerry Killian, supposedly support Barnes's story. Killian cannot verify that these memos are genuine or false. He is dead. CBS says that they verified the authenticity of the documents. However analysts who are not with CBS have looked at the documents and say that they are false. They note a simple superscripted th after a date on one document that was not doable with a 1972 typewriter, but was instead probably done on Microsoft Word.

The Barnes news story is so far beyond the pale that even Killians son has condemned it as ludicrous. Other military officers say no officer in his right mind would be stupid enough to sign such memos.

It's clear that this continues the tradition of Democratic campaign dirty tricks. Barnes is an active member of the Democratic Party and reportedly has a home next door to John Kerry. The Kerry camp has made little mention of the story thus far. (What are they mentioning much about?)

This Air National Guard news story" is a classical political hit job by the Democrats and their media. We can only feel sorry for Dan Rather of 60 Minutes for being so thoroughly duped. Yet, CBS still stands by this.

Ultimately, the American people will judge these Swift Boat Veterans for Kerry, oops, Air National Guard stories against Bush, and their accusations. Americans are tired of smear campaigns.

Barnes and CBS should hang their heads in shame.

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I'll trade Clinton's lies for Bush's lies any day. Atleast when Clinton lies he doesn't kill 1000 troops in the process.

We need a president with true honorary military experience!
We need a president who knows when to express anger, and to channel that energy!
We need a president who is honest, motivated, and loved not only by Americans, but by many other countries as well.

Use the write-in slot on your voting ballot. Vote Donald Duck for president!

(If you want the pope slapped, then Stinky is a good choice too.)

- BombJames Bomb

Um... Doesn't John Kerry have a Bronze Star? Didn't he kill a guy to get it?

@(UF)Chief(AB)
Actually, being from Texas I can tell you that Bush did a pretty sorry job of running Texas. Atleast for what he had control over. You see Texas Governer has the least power of any state in the union. The Leutenant governer has more power than he does. The only things I remember Bush doing is cutting Nasa spending. He never even visited Nasa once while he was governer (although he did try to lie and say he did when the space shuttle crashed). Also as far as crime goes, there was a black guy who was proven innocent of rape through DNA. He had already exhausted his appeals though and the only way he could be set free was a governer's pardon. Bush refused to give him one, however then turned around and gave one to a white guy in the same situation.

That's your Hero.

@JJ
As a former Guardsman let me fill you in on a few things. First W did not finish his agreed upon commitment to the guard. Some people will tell you that he got an Honorable discharge but I know that is impossible. You cannot have an Honorable unless you complete the full term of your commitment, no exceptions. If your contract says 4 years active duty, you must do all 4 years. 3 years and 11 months will not get you an Honorable. Even a medical discharge is a general discharge, not an honorable one. Even if you are gods gift to human kind it is simply not possible! Unfortunately some people in the military play politics as well and will say anything to cover up for Bush, but they know the real story. I'm happy to say that most Military, Police, and Firefighters are not supporting Bush.

Oh and the Inactive Ready Reserve does not count towards your enlistment period.

Last edited: Saturday, September 11, 2004 at 1:04:28 PM

Boy I am feel so safe that weekend warriors like crow are there to protect me. What a jerk. A real man would have served in a real unit dork. Where you a cook or janitor?

Easy, shrikey

@ Crow

That was a humorous jab at 44's original post. Compare the two, they are kind of close.

Are you implying that I should transfer my strong feelings about the death of another human to Kerry's military record so that I think it is more valid? That's a #21.

Last edited: Sunday, September 12, 2004 at 6:23:09 PM

Pretty comprehensive analysis of the memo debate can be found at http://mediamatters.org/items/200409100010 .
Now, I wouldn't go quoting any political "news" sites quite yet. This little brouhaha could be covering up a rather deep rabbit hole.
For example, the last section:

Titles of the other sections:
Forgery evidence dubious
EXHIBIT A: Superscript was available
EXHIBIT B: Proportional spacing was available
EXHIBIT C: Apostrophe was available
EXHIBIT D: Font was available
BONUS EXHIBIT: Amateur forensics

Regardless, as per usual, the republicans are flinging harpoons around and undermining any conversations that don't bode well for them and their candidate. Undermine the underminers.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/08/opinion/08kristof.html

Here's the link to the analysis, if interested: http://www.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/opinion/lechliter.pdf

JJ: quote your sources so we can go to the link por favor.

Last edited: Saturday, September 11, 2004 at 4:06:46 PM

@ Crow

Hate to call you on this, but you're going to have to substantiate the above. And MSNBC ain't the source to quote either. Truth be told, neither campaign has a real handle on these groups.

@ Tally

Unless someone did it since eraly last week, no one from the Bush camp has gone on record bashing Kerry's Vietnam service. However, they HAVE taken issue with his actions after he returned to the US.

Also - if this:

Is the best the DNC can come up with regarding their use of 60 Minutes II as a bully pulpit to distribute "questionable" documents as fact.....then you guys are in deep shit. Hell, now I'M even getting pissed at the DNC. They are really screwing the party members over in their handling of this mess.

My opinion about george bush is....a little town in texas lost its idiot XD

:)

Last edited: Saturday, September 11, 2004 at 7:00:48 PM

Check This Clip Out.

....and did anyone mention TexansForTruth.

Ween. Both those probably merit a new thread.
The former for sure. I saw it a few days ago, rather unsettling.
Where are those tapes?
@ Chief: We know what kind of shit we're in. Does anybody else know what kind of shit they're in?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/9/10/34914/1603
Bottom line on those docs I think.

Sick of all the spin

Too bad this election isn't about issues...just image control...i guess that's all you have left when you have images and ideology...on the one hand you have an unabashed pro-business, pro-status quo theo-fascist in bush, in the other, a pro-status quo, uninspiring poll chaser in kerry...

And a bitterly divided populace, most of whom think culture wars are more important than economic issues....