Please read the statements below
I would like to change the way the games are hosted.
Each team will be responsible for hosting their own HOME games.

I am looking for hosters to host games for those who do not have hosting capabilities.
I don't beleive this league has the luxury of looking for the perfect server. We need to just get the games played.

Captains, Please let me know you plans to get the missed games rescheduled and played.
Contact me if you need a server.

Napalm

Hey gang! Season Mode is HERE!

TBML GAMES ARE THURSDAYS, 9 and 9:30 EST (USA). They are password protected. Please see your captain to get the password. Do not share it with anyone.

TBML5 - Rankings

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RULES

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Important Information

IF you are playing Team Euro, the gametime that is preferred is Thursday 7:00 PM EST. If Teams can play 4 on 4, they should do so to make it simpler. If games cannot be accomodated on Thursday night at 7:00 EST, then each team, has from Thursday night (current game week) until the following Wednesday night to play to complete their games, if the schdeuled game time cannot be met by either team. If the game is NOT PLAYED by Wed. Night (USA) then it will be awarded a split.

Season 5.0 Teams

Euro Team: Stan, bedo, taffy, trivox, rollon, wiz

The 8th Wonder: Captain Rooster/deliriot: belikin, haha, silbercalis, rumrunner, pfffft

The Pernicious Carbuncles: Napalm (napalm_tt@yahoo.com) au, axe, Memphis, Delta, Bigiron, Suriname, Godzilla

TDR: Lep (leopardtt@yahoo.com) Returning (6) Players: kj, getsome, AncientOne, blitz, prof, bernie, Dan, weasel

Hells Angels: ?: wingnut, Maverick, Zenigata, Fat Chick, Dazzle, Alex01, Red Seal

CHAMPIONS: Bologna of Pestilence: NUTS! (nutstt@yahoo.com): crapblaster, shrike, Andy / UFOCoolBoy, Gamera*316, Marmot, Niko

Pale Riders/Penguins of Carnage: willow (willow@pacbell.net): DrSawbones, Dark Mumke(?), Bombo, Larz, Lancer, Apollo/GujuBoy

Iron Sloth: InfiniteMonkey (monkey@harrythedog.ca): Rabban, Doc, FON, Muscles, FNTM, GoForIt, Brent, LC50


Reserve Pool (to request a player, please email the commissioner at supra_tank30@yahoo.com

Kill them tanks (lack email)
Ice Dawg
superman

Last edited: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 7:24:08 PM

I am voting for IM, I am sure he'll be next. ;)

@ all I have emailed all of my team TPC, with a resume of the situation and a plan of action;

Elect a new captian, Pick players to fill in vacancies if vacancies there are in TPC and start playing to kick most of your asses!

I will keep you posted.

Ps the example we have to follow is the PSL league, there all works out fine. How come here it's not the same ?

Last edited: Sunday, October 23, 2005 at 7:03:14 AM

Good luck Napalm , I understand I will cya around friend.

@ all who has AXE email I got a bounceback I have ldougjathotmaildotcom. Please send it to me.

@ Delta. I'm with you man, in the spirits, in the dance, in the hula-hula and everything. I hope that you can gather up your team now and I wish you good luck with it. You're one of the greatest guys in the whole community. Respect.

@Rabban

I'll do it but only if I can kick out the poeple I know have caused a problem every damn season..

Not suprised to hear about all the problems not that I would wish for them but this crap is why I don't play tmbl.

If I could give you guys a suggestion for the next tmbl season... Don't do a season where everyone plays one day a week. Just do a bracket all on one sunday afternoon. Can't have too much drama if you get it over quickly.

To all,

If you want help, let me know...

The man reason this league has fallen off the rails is due to lack of invovlement by the people who were running it, before there was almost weekly captain meetings, a lot more notices and organization went into it. The present situation is due to a lack of particapation and sharing of information from the top down.. If you want this to work it requires a real concerted effort and involvement by all teams or at least the captains. In previous seasons when involved running it or helping , it required daily input, constant checking and much motivation to keep things rolling, to many things in this season have been taken for granted or assumed to have been taken care of without follow up
.
At least the following steps need to be taken to right things properly.

1 - resolution of hosting and capabilities - a lot of people can host it isnt that hard to do
2 - team strengths - a real survey to see who is going to show and play
3 - scheduling that will work - this is growing into a real mess as a lot of people arent showing
4 - replaying missed or lag issue games --- we recently played a 3 on 3 game which in all fairness should be replayed it was a lag monster and a joke...so for us we are now up to 4 matches due to either lag, manning/hosting or people not showing.this is almost impossible now to make up.
5 - better and more accurate information sharing
6 - meetings and more involvement from captains and the governing body whoever it may be
7 - suggest more than one person in charge so as to share duties and responsibilities.

Anywho thats my two cents worth, but it needs to be fixed fast or it is done.

Leopard

@Leopard

Backstabber.. I was gonna fix it all but noooo...

Last edited: Sunday, October 23, 2005 at 11:02:45 AM

@Jet Jaguar
Thinking realistically I think doing the entire league over the period of 1 single weekend is neither possible nor favorable. I have once devoted an entire 3 hours to nonstop ThinkTanks action with a few others from my team...but the likelyhood of ALL the teams meeting all at once on one specific day and doing nothing but whittle down teams to the 2 finalists in one day is very very small. Everyone has a different schedule, and trying to find a common day when all could just sit at home without any more important things to do than play TT is (imho) more trouble than it's worth. The idea is a very nobel idea and if this was on a smaller scale it just might have been possible, but I'm very skeptical about it working.

@ Leopard
Leopard...your 7 Points describe very clearly what needs to happen. I agree completely with all of them. The issues about making up games due to (of all things) lag and lack of support is getting utterly ridiculace! XO TBML 4.0 was more organized than 5.0...and I think we're capable of getting our acts together and fixing it........We just need to do so before the next battle date :S

Back to the vote for commissionner
So far it seems 4 teams have voted:

Eurorage (capt): Infinite Monkey
Hells Angels (capt) : Infinite Monkey
Desert Rats (ancientOne): Infinite Monkey
Pale Riders (capt) : Infinite Monkey

Other team captains please vote ASAP.

Last edited: Sunday, October 23, 2005 at 2:19:17 PM

Point of order Desert Rats are captained by Lep, who else is up for this?
We need some organization here instead of helter skelter

TBM League -
@Lep
Your 7 points are well received here. PR will be pro-active on the hosting situation.
It would be very helpful to have some names/choices for hosts - perhaps posted somewhere in this forum.
PR stands ready to help with: more informatiom, involvement, more whatever in order to get organized.
willow

I can toss up a server if you need one. I can also contact some others in the scrum league as I previously mentioned a week ago. I can help with some coordination and line up some servers for games. Just give me a little advanced notice, and it shall be done.

Last edited: Sunday, October 23, 2005 at 3:09:11 PM

As I stated on the previous page
Hosting should be ONLY by the strongest available
Also I said before I have no preferences for commish
Is that a light at the end of the tunnel or a train coming.......

@ All,

There is no doubt that IM should become the commission, given his popularity, however Lep has had some great input, and should be co-commissioner (or at the very least assistant commissioner) given his experience in this game.

Remember that Lep help put this competition together in the early days along with others.

Nothing wrong with two people, and great ambassadors to the game sharing the responsibility.

My 2 cents.

SSMe....

I think the 48 hours window is either over, or just about so I suggest that TBML starts to move on rather than being stuck on this issue for much longer.

We tried lep, didn't work. Lets try to have someone who is fair.

Well it seems to me that there is no need to delay further
The vote stands at 4 for IM - 1 pass and 1 vote not in yet
The consensus is for IM
Let's ROCK!!!

Sched & Rankings updated. Check header links.

Well all.. I have been reading this all with sadness.. The truth is I have not been playing TT as much as I used to.. Combination of a lot of things really... Life being the most blatant.. I will endevour to improve this and play more.. Hate when you little ones kick my over weight butt...lol.. I think IM will do an outstanding job.. In all my dealings with him I have found him to be very fair and truly enjoys this game.. I think its to his credit that our heavy team (and most people know heavies tend to be loners) have always fielded a full team.. As a matter of fact we usually have to decide who sits.. I think the lag issue is a major one.. We have also experienced the major lag server and we paid for it.. I can honestly say I was very frustrated after it.. But I got over it.. I guess I have to keep this game in perspective.. I wish I had a location as I would be more than happy to contribute a server for the league.. I am using cable with brutal upload speeds to hosting here is not an answer.. Well lets all try very hard to make this season work.. I know Muscles, Rabban and the rest will do all they can to help.. Nothing but class acts.. And that goes for many of the other teams players as well.. Let me know if I can be any help and lets have a fun rest of the season

DOC

Well, let me first say thank you for all the kind words, both here and by email, even if you are all just trying to suck me into accepting a job nobody else wants.

I'd also like to say that I'm not campaigning for this job. I'm not asking for it, and I don't really want it. If my not taking it would mean the league would fold, though, then I'll accept it. If I have to. I guess.

Allow me to tell you what I would do if I were commissioner, though, and then you can decide if you still want me.

We have two issues as I see it. We lack servers and we have poor attendance. Both have led to games not being played and people quitting out of frustration.

As far as attendance goes, I'm in favour of some tough love being applied.

It took a long time to get this season started, mainly because everyone wanted the day changed from Tuesday and a lot of arguing ensued. The Thursday forces were the loudest. Well, you got your wish, we play on Thursday. Now live with it. If you're not regularly available on Thursday evening, quit. Have the decency to tell your captain you're out. Then your teammates will at least know where they stand.

I think we have been way too lax about allowing rescheduling. People don't show up on game night because they know their team can reschedule if it's shorthanded, or at worst it will get two points if the game never gets played. A team that thinks it might lose a game might as well just aim for the default outcome and take the two points because it's better than a loss.

I would greatly eliminate rescheduling as an option. If your team doesn't show up with at least three players on game night and the other team does, you lose. Period. No whining. You don't get two points. You get 1.75 and the other team gets 2.25. In a case where neither team has enough players, both get 1.75.

There would be no automatic rescheduling. A request for a rescheduling could be submitted to the league, but there would be criteria that would have to be met and it would be entirely at the discretion of the commissioner. If one or both sides are just being obnoxious, it's 1.75 for each.

There may well be cases where a server is so bad that a rescheduling is unavoidable.In the simplest and most obvious cases, both captains could agree that the game could not be played. In this case, a rescheduling would most likely be granted.In the case where only one team was unwilling to play because of lag, the captain of that team would need to take screenshots showing pings of his team. It had better be bad.

Lag is a fact of life in this game. It's not particularly well written in the networking area. What do you want for 20 bucks? There's also the fact that many teams chose gigantic maps, even after they were asked not to, and the fact that some teams persist in using voice communication. The point is, with the level of play you get in league, there will sometimes be lag. A lot of lag might be grounds for cancelling a game, a little lag is not. One server that IronSloth had for three consecutive road games gave most of us pings of over 150. We played anyway. We lost all three. Boo hoo. Lag is like weather. Some times it's in your favour, sometimes it's not. While we're all competitive and we all like to win, getting a server that's perfect for everyone is not going to happen. If you can't live with that, move on.

As for servers, we have a bit of a problem there. Napalm's suggestion that we all host our own home games if possible was a good one. Yes, one person will have a decided ping advantage. We need to accept that as part of the home field advantage. At least we would have home fields.

Beyond that we need to find hosts, plain and simple because, as hard as it is to believe, some teams don't seem to have anybody that can figure out how to put up a server for an evening. I seem to remember an arrangement with the scrummers a couple of seasons back where we helped each other out with servers. What night is scrum night? Is a co-operative arrangement possible?

So, those are my thoughts. Yes, my feelings towards the current situation are a little harsh. There seems to be a high level of apathy this season. If we can't overcome that then maybe we need to just let this season die and maybe try again in a couple of months on a smaller scale.

If you guys still want me as commissioner, then I'll do my best to try to fix things. If you think I'm a moron for what I just wrote, that's fine too. Like I said, I'm not asking for the job.

Monkey

Last edited: Sunday, October 23, 2005 at 8:33:15 PM

We want you ! B)

Hey I M will help ya if ya need it, beware ,, it is a thankless job where the first time you have to make a decision you will become villafied

As for servers I will continue to provide if asked to, I think however a few other people need to step up instead of hiding in the shadows

Anywho one simple question , games were at 9:30 I have people on the west coast who struggle to get home for game time then why all of a sudden is the schedule moving back to 9? Its bad enough at 930. I have 3 people who can barely make it for that time any earlier and it will cause us to probably drop out. Again, an arbitrary decision by a couple of people without consulting the rest of the captains , it will cause much consternation... It was 930 before why the change and who decided it? I have not recieved a single email on this, small things/decisions like this without consultation are why this thing is falling apart.

Make up games - suggest we pick an alternate weekday for make up games and get it done

Finally lag is not the only issue , last game we played we had pings around 100 but a 4 second fire rate the other team we were playing was experiencing the same and by mutual agreement we agreed to reschedule, screen/ping will not tell the whole story captains need to be balanced and fair in judgement

My 3 cents

Last edited: Sunday, October 23, 2005 at 10:40:19 PM

I think, at least when the latencies are the same for both teams, it shouldn't matter if it took 10 seconds for the bullets to come out or even more; the game should be played. Irregardless, even if you had to play it by email.

I think you guys should just change all the rules in the middle of the season, that sounds fair.

Dude when you have peole saying things like "Thinktanks is real life", you should know there is going to be whining no matter what the rules are.

My half cent

@Lep and Capts
Ok, point taken - I just tried to place back the unplayed games in remaining schedule so the teams will make the effort to show up. The way it is, NONE of them has been played so far. It seems that leaving them as "open" for rescheduling gets nowhere. Is there anything you want changed in the schedule (time, day, anything). In the mean time I'll change the times to 9:30 and 10:15 rather than 9:00 and 9:45. Is that ok for all? Lep do you prefer most your games played at 10:15 ? All Capts, do you want to play the catch-up games on a different day than thursday ? Or do you prefer to play them while your team is present on thursday with double headers ? Maybe we need a capt's meeting on this. What do you say IM?

@IM
Nice to have you! I approve your amendments.
I have to agree that being too nice on rescheduling turned a good thing into a mess. It is really a shame because it made possible for both teams to field a good team and play on a good server. But the fact is, these games never get played. The teams can't seem to be able to schedule a game on their own. Something has to be done mid-season or not. This rule change doesn't really affect the competition since it only addresses the non-played games or the unwillingness to play. If a team was really counting on racking up the 2.000 instead of risking a loss, I'm glad that loophole disappears.

@All
I must acknowledge the effort made by most teams in playing the Eurorage on weekends. It has allowed us to play at reasonnable times. Thanks a lot.

Last edited: Monday, October 24, 2005 at 3:38:41 AM

Just let me know if you need severs, I'll gather some of the scrummers for additional servers if needed. BTW: Scrum league is on Wed.

@ IM
Are games on this week ?
Also can you set up a time to meet with Stan & me to go over issues from last weeks match please ?
I am open most nights after 6pmCST until about 2am CST. B)

@Lep
Thanks for the offer of help. I'll take all the help I can get, from you and the other captains.

As far as ping not being a true measure of server conditions, I agree with you. Unfortunately it's the only measure the game allows, and we have to stop people using lag as an excuse not to play, particularly when only one team is experiencing it. If anybody has any better ideas about how to substantiate claims of severe lag, I'm listening.

@Stan

Please put the old schedule back at least for now. It will make it much easier to see which games are make-up games and which are new ones. I think we all need to talk about schedule change before we make them because that is one area where changes could quickly make things worse.

As far as making up games, I'm proposing that we take a week off from the regular schedule and use it to get back on track. The teams that have missed games will have until a week from Thursday to get things straightened out, after which time there are going to be some 1.75s handed out to teams that don't have a good reason for not playing. Teams that have made a reasonable effort but can't get their opponents to show up will get the 2.25. We need to move ahead.

Captains, please let me know what you think about making this a make-up week.

In terms of personnel, au has graciously agreed to lead the Carbuncles.BoP still needs a captain, however. We need to help them both out with their rosters, especially in the case of the Carbuncles.

I don't want to just take players off teams and reassign them. That was done last season and it left a sour taste. I have a two-pronged approach to move players to these two teams. I recommend the first prong, because it will be easier to take than the second prong. Either way, though, there's a prongin' on the way.

I'm calling for volunteers to move from other teams to the Carbuncles and BoP. This is a call to individual players, not to team captains. No captain wants to let go of a player, and even if they did they're not likely to choose someone reliable or skilled to send to the competition. Some players may be individually willing to step up and volunteer to join one of these teams. At least that's what I'm hoping. This could be a very exciting opportunity for an adventurous person to join an underdog and make a difference. I realise that nobody is going to be too anxious to leave their existing team, but I'm asking that you consider the good of the league as a whole. If you were in a pickup game and one side was in trouble, would you change to the other side out of a sense of sportsmanship? If you would, then you're the sort of person we want here.

I'd like to see at least two players, or preferably three, move to the Carbuncles and at least one or maybe two to BoP. I don't want any teams to lose more than one player though. We don't want to create more problems than we solve.

If nobody volunteers, there will be a draft, where captains can protect a certain limited number of players and the captains of the Carbuncles and BoP will be able choose from the remainder. Again, nobody will lose more than one player. Please be brave and volunteer. It is better for everyone. I want to move ahead quickly with this. I'll wait until tomorrow at 6 pm EST for volunteers, after which time I'll post the rules for the draft which will take place 24 hours later. BoP needs to have a captain in place by then.

I'm also going to institute the possibility of trades between teams. Trade one for one, two for one, whatever you want. Obviously, both captains have to agree. The players don't get a say, but the captains would be wise to check with them first, because if you trade for a player who can't stand you or someone else on your team, or has scheduling issues or whatever, and then they don't show up for games, well, that wouldn't be good for you team. Captains, work this one out on your own and let me know if you arrange something.

@Nap

Thanks for the offer of help. That is some good news. We'll have to talk specifics as far as games once we have heard from the captains about my proposal to take a one-week hiatus from the regular schedule to make up missed games.

@Jet Jaguar

Who are you and why are you posting in this thread? I don't see your name on any of the rosters above. If you are a member of a team, please use your real name. If you're not in the league please remove your posts and refrain from adding any more.

Just one point (maybe two). I see there are three players in the reserve pool. Shouldn't they be assigned to a team BEFORE asking other players to switch teams?

Also, I'll be hosting the PR game(s) at work this week (unless postponed).

Last edited: Monday, October 24, 2005 at 12:58:29 PM

The players in the reserve pool have been there a while now. I'm not sure anybody wants to take a chance on them.

I would encourage teams needing players to give them a try, at least the two we have email addresses for, but these are unproven players and unknown quantities. We have two teams that need more immediate help, and to be realistic, they need reliable veterans.

Both BoP and the Carbuncles are welcome to take either of those players, though, and teams that lose players, either through volunteerism or a possible draft, are more than welcome to take them as replacements.

Thanks for the hosting, Rabban. It is a big help.

I said I would stay on and Captain the team as I did most of the year when Nuts was not around. That was on the condition that the last match played that I refused to play was called a wash. My whole team averaged 150. Thats average. While they had these two low pings. I offered to play one game on his server and second game on Nuts server while Nuts sat and they refused. Was I unfair to not want to play both on that server? So I sat both games only being able to see one bullet out of the string.
I will play but won't captain with the score of that match counting.

Last edited: Monday, October 24, 2005 at 5:55:17 PM

Recommendations from the Rooster
1. I have served with good success the last 3 seasons
You know you can depend on my server and yours was awesome too last week IM
So with Rabban we now have 3 reliable and strong hosters. I believe we can put the serving issue
to rest. As commish you just try your best to prevent hosters in game by rotation
I serve your game - Rab serves mine etc.
Let it be known that so far all weekend games have been played on Roos and that can continue NP - even if I sit out

2. Suggestion for makeup games - Schedule a Tuesday makeup series - double headers against differnet teams is too
much to ask back to back when the games typically run 45 minutes

3. Recruit - all caps go out and find some replacements for these teams
I am contacting KC right now - think of one person and go ask them - Just DO it!!!

Also BOP Votes Yes to IM

@crap,
the only way someone has a ping of 16 is to be on their own server.it appears in the picture above that bombo was the hoster.

When I play on my own server or on a computer attached to my home network that is the similar ping returns that I see.

As for manning currently here is who I have on the rats

Lep , Kj, Get-Some, Prof,Blitz ,Ancient one

Dan, weasel and bernie have never responded and only weasel has shown up, but only once at the start ; since then they have never particapated or responded.

So at current situation we have six, however get some is hard pressed to show on a regular basis and kj due to some family activities is the same way. And I am always scrambling in the door from work to set up a game server and get things in gear

Finally with all the difficulty in scheduling the rats have shown up for every game, we do request the most recent 3 on 3 game should be replayed but will go with whatever has to be done.

@IM for assistance email me @ leopardtt@excite.com or yahoo.com

Yaho id for instant message/voice is leopardtt

Skype is same thing

My 2.5 cents

Last edited: Monday, October 24, 2005 at 3:14:24 PM

On paper BOP and TPC don't look weak to me - I see at the very least 3 top players in each team.

@ lep

Thanks, I though that was the case but they say here in league rules that if you are hosting on one machine and playing on another thats ok,, but they had two low pings and we were at an average ( teamwise) all much higher then them.That 163 of mine was the lowest of my checks. Mostly 190-200.

@crap,

Hmm well it is a definite advantage , I can set up a server and have the machine I am playing on be a foot away from it with a ping of 11... I dont think that is the rule we want to work with here...
I think we should still have dedicated hosters or at least play 1 game on each others server to balance it out in all fairness otherwise we will be rewarding the people who can afford the extra machines with an unfair advantage.

My 2.6 cents

I'm spending my last 2.7 cents on saying, watch out for the NHL scenario... :)

Wiz, update again plz

Rankings & Schedule updated. Check header links. (I'm sounding like a parrot.)

@ lep

Agreed

As far as the BoP/PR game goes, it seems clear enough at this point that there was a fairly large imbalance there in terms of the server conditions. PR can correct me if I'm wrong, but it also seems to me that you made an effort to move to a more reasonable server amd were refused.

Put that on the list of games to replay. At this point, anything that hasn't been played is on that list. Call it an amnesty if you will. It's just too late to go back and apply new rules to old situations. The replays need to happen soon though. The new hardline angry monkey rules are now in effect, though, so get to it. That goes for everyone.

In the future, in all games, I want to see both teams make an effort to live with less than ideal circumstances and also to be sporting enough to acknowledge when a server is unplayable for the other side and to have the decency try to accomodate a switch to a different server. Winning when your opponent can't fairly play is a pretty hollow victory, don't you think? Let's be honourable in this game. If we can't do that here, where there is nothing tangible at stake, where can we do it?

As far as replaying the BoP/TDR 3 on 3, on one hand I can see why you want to replay it. It sounds like the lag was pretty bad. At this point, though, it is a finished game, so I'm not about to throw it away. Lots of us have had laggy games we'd like to play over, but if we start down that road, we'll never get to the end of this season. It's a bad precedent to set.

This certainly seems to be an extreme case, and if you want to work out a gentlemen's agreement with BoP to replay it, knock yourselves out. Under the circumstances, though, given that the game was played, BoP would have to agree to the replay. This isn't a league issue as far as I'm concerned.

From the league's point of view, the game has been played and we have a result. After BoP has their other missed games made up, if they want to be sporting and give you a chance to replay that game, we'll substitute the new result for the old, but it's up to them. If it were me, I'd replay you, but that's just me. They have more pressing matters to worry about right now, however, and getting their other games caught up has to be their priority.

Let me add that you guys really deserve credit for going through with that game despite the laggy circumstances. More grit and determination like that will help to get things back on track. Kudos Rats.

As far as team strengths, how the teams look on paper is a long way from how they are shaping up in reality. Things are not nearly as rosey as they apppear for TPC and BoP. Also, a couple of captains have let me know that they are having a lot of problems with some players regularly not showing up.

Here is a radical idea: How about we have an inventory and a bit of a mixing of available players? It occurs to me that there may be players that are on teams where, for whatever reason they aren't happy. Or maybe they're just bored. Perhaps a change of scenery might get better attendance from some of them.

What if the captains all list their reliable players - the ones who come out regularly - and also the ones who for whatever reason rarely show up. We'll toss all the no-shows back into the draft pool and take turns drafting, based on how many core players we have left?

Let me know what you think, captains. If you think this is too extreme, that's fine. We'll come up with something else. It is becoming ever more clear to me, though, that we need to take some fairly radical action if we're going to get things running smoothly again.

On a happy note, it actually, surprisingly, looks like we may be picking up some potential servers here. This is very good news. If we can get enough going, we can put a ban on hosters playing, which would be the preferred option. One of our biggest problems is still that most of our potential hosts are also team captains, so if the hoster can't play, it means the captain is sitting for every home game or worse, which is a bad thing in a different direction.

I want to finish this most recent rant by reminding everyone that this game is supposed to be fun. That is the only reason to play it. There are no cash rewards, no fame and very little glory when you win. There's not even a cheap plastic trophy. The only reward we get out this league is good, competitive games where the best players are there and everybody is going all out. Let's try our best to make that happen as often as possible.

I was on a winning team two season ago, riding the coat tails of some really skilled players. It was a nice feeling to win, but that wasn't the best part. The final game itself was the best part. Both teams were filled with sportsman who were there to enjoy the experience. The other team played so well and conducted themselves with such dignity that at the end I wished that they could have won too. I look back now and I realize that we did all win. The real prize was playing in that game.

There have been other games like that too.In some I've been on the winning side and in some I've lost. The good games really stand out, though. Surrounding the good games have been plenty of stinkers. We live with that, though, like a cheap breakfast cereal because we know that the next spoonful might hold the prize. So, let's try to keep that in mind and stop trying to gain petty advantages over each other chasing a false reward.

The game itself is the real reward and it's the only reward we're going to get.

Monkey

@ IM
Here is what I have all ready scheduled. All I need to know is if the new BOP captain is willing to keep this agreement on the make up games with them. The other Captains have all ready agreed to this schedule.
Hells Angels Schedule of make ups matches & games :(

Week 2
Bologna of Pestilence never played due to lack of players and lag.
Double header scheduled for 10/27/05
first match at their house, then second match at our house !

Week 4
TDR must make up game 2 via Supra(at their place),
due to Cliff hanging and we did not get credit for 3 kills some how.
Game 2 is schedule for make up on 11/2/05
Right after our match with them at our house.

Week 6
PR & HA never played due to no server !
Double header scheduled for 11/17/05
1 match at our house, then second match at their house.

Week 7
The Pernicious Carbuncles - Supra problem and no server !
I say lets do another Double header on 11/24/05
1 match at our house, then second match at their house.

Well thats what Hells Angels has for Make Up Games & Matches

As far as the draft goes all my players show up ! I think my team is one of the few that has not had issues with showing up for matches ! I will do whats needed to help keep the league going but I rather not have to give up any of my team members if at possible.

Last edited: Monday, October 24, 2005 at 5:34:36 PM

Inspiring last paragraphs monk. Told you this cartoon tank game is real ;)

That looks like an ambitiout schedule LW. Good Job. Can the other teams get back to him as soon as possible to confirm for those dates, or make some sort of reasonable alternative suggestion?

CB, can you let me know what the situation is with your roster and if you're going to be able to field a full team in the very near future?

I'm still waiting for some brave adventurous types to step up to help out our less privileged teams. :)

@ IM

I'm sending out e-mail to team right now, I'll be waiting but , I'm still waiting for the team vote response for commisioner, I took the liberty of giving a yes vote as I had no reply's to my mail. I'll let you know if any of my teamates get back to me. We will need a neutral hoster for our home game, as were short players and can't afford to let one host.

Last edited: Monday, October 24, 2005 at 6:05:49 PM

@ IM
All Captains have agreed to that schedule. The only problems in it is, this weeks BOP match now that they are in limbo and Pernicious Carbuncles match on 11/24/05 needs to be confirmed by new captain ! My team has committed to this schedule all ready !

Last edited: Monday, October 24, 2005 at 9:14:57 PM

Looks like a whole bunch of make up games for one team eh?

Remember how everyone started to make up a few extra teams and it seemed like a boiling pot before the begining of the season and then a few weeks into it. POOF. Majority of the league falls apart. All the hype from many players and then nothing happening is typical of almost every game online or off.

Attendance is an epidemic to this league since the begining. There should be some fix to that.
Lag will always be on TT. It's something ive come to be accustomed to.
For this season, the making up of games was too lenient. Then again it might have been like this since the conception of the League a few years ago. ((I may be wrong)). Not strict enough as stated in a few threads. Maybe there shouldn't be any make up games since attendance isnt a very good stronghold on this league? Or only have 3 make up dates for games that have been post-poned/not played for any blah blah blah reason.
Scheduling should be left up to what wiz has mentioned on another theard -> Wiz's LiL Idea

For Commish,
There should just be someone to enforce the rules we have all agreed upon to play and if there are any disagreements or arguements during game play screenshots and a description should be attached to it to explain what was happening. A commish doesn't have to be active in league play in order to keep us tankers in line. But playing would help make newbie tankers want to join the league ((as long as they commit to playing the entire season, newbie tankers))

The rest of the season seems disorganized. But we should just play and see where each team ends. Remember its all about fun since we aint going to receive no plastic trophy. (( even though I wanted a few of those )) :(

L8rz

Last edited: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 2:05:01 PM

Woot post 500,

In the on going saga of whinning here is my 2.8 cents worth...

Ha/ LW seems to think we need to replay a 2nd game of a contest that was not in question if thats the case then ipso facto I will whine and want to replay the lag filled ,hiccup infested ,hold your nose ,3 on 3 contest we recently endured... Wah wah wah

Get the point? Suck it up and move on !! Or we will be mired in this mess forever and destoy the season ..... by the way we are going we will have more make up games than regular scheduled games XO
anywho as for team resdistrubution lets have --- gasp holds breath -- an actual captains meeting on voice in skype or yahoo ( repents says hail marys under breath ) as this strange event hasnt occurred since I left grin ( throws stones at past non -sharing commish ) grin :P

Again my 2.8 cents worth

Leopard

Last edited: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 5:15:04 PM