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Please read the statements below
I would like to change the way the games are hosted.
Each team will be responsible for hosting their own HOME games.

I am looking for hosters to host games for those who do not have hosting capabilities.
I don't beleive this league has the luxury of looking for the perfect server. We need to just get the games played.

Captains, Please let me know you plans to get the missed games rescheduled and played.
Contact me if you need a server.

Napalm


Hey gang! Season Mode is HERE!

TBML GAMES ARE THURSDAYS, 9 and 9:30 EST (USA). They are password protected. Please see your captain to get the password. Do not share it with anyone.

TBML5 - Rankings

TBML5 - Schedule

RULES

TBML5 Mission Pack

Important Information

IF you are playing Team Euro, the gametime that is preferred is Thursday 7:00 PM EST. If Teams can play 4 on 4, they should do so to make it simpler. If games cannot be accomodated on Thursday night at 7:00 EST, then each team, has from Thursday night (current game week) until the following Wednesday night to play to complete their games, if the schdeuled game time cannot be met by either team. If the game is NOT PLAYED by Wed. Night (USA) then it will be awarded a split.

Season 5.0 Teams

Euro Team: Stan, bedo, taffy, trivox, rollon, wiz

The 8th Wonder: Captain Rooster/deliriot: belikin, haha, silbercalis, rumrunner, pfffft

The Pernicious Carbuncles: Napalm (napalm_tt@yahoo.com) au, axe, Memphis, Delta, Bigiron, Suriname, Godzilla

TDR: Lep (leopardtt@yahoo.com) Returning (6) Players: kj, getsome, AncientOne, blitz, prof, bernie, Dan, weasel

Hells Angels: ?: wingnut, Maverick, Zenigata, Fat Chick, Dazzle, Alex01, Red Seal

CHAMPIONS: Bologna of Pestilence: NUTS! (nutstt@yahoo.com): crapblaster, shrike, Andy / UFOCoolBoy, Gamera*316, Marmot, Niko

Pale Riders/Penguins of Carnage: willow (willow@pacbell.net): DrSawbones, Dark Mumke(?), Bombo, Larz, Lancer, Apollo/GujuBoy

Iron Sloth: InfiniteMonkey (monkey@harrythedog.ca): Rabban, Doc, FON, Muscles, FNTM, GoForIt, Brent, LC50


Reserve Pool (to request a player, please email the commissioner at supra_tank30@yahoo.com

Kill them tanks (lack email)
Ice Dawg
superman

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Friday, August 19, 2005 at 4:49:12 PM
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Wingnut is wise.

 

Thursday, October 27, 2005 at 7:28:56 PM

Ok Inifite call me to work together,

Any who rats and heavies

Rats win both

47-42
40-31

Good games no crap, fun and no lag

Well done both teams the way it should be no bitching or whinning just fun

Thursday, October 27, 2005 at 8:04:09 PM

Congrats on a league first of a no bitch and whine game. Bonus points for self recognition!

Thursday, October 27, 2005 at 8:05:45 PM
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Well done guys. That's the way it should be.

Except for the Rats winning of course, but I guess you owed us one. XD

 

Thursday, October 27, 2005 at 8:10:10 PM

Hey, LC50! Nice to see ya, always the voice o' reason. But where is this?

Great playing league level again, forgot how intense it can get. Great games.

Thursday, October 27, 2005 at 8:17:42 PM
wiz

Gee, man. Sweety! Games were played..!!! And boy, that looks like a couple o pretty good and thrilling games there, as well!

Thursday, October 27, 2005 at 11:53:02 PM
wiz

Scores and the rest, updated and fresh. Check ze links in ze headurr.

Friday, October 28, 2005 at 10:28:53 AM

Execllent and challenging game played against 8th wonder today
3 on 3 played on rooster's server.
Very friendly and no incident to report.
Score:
Game 1: 49 - 38 Euro wins
Game 2: 45 - 34 Euro wins

Saturday, October 29, 2005 at 9:10:57 AM
wiz

Scores & rankings updated. (Last announcement. Further on, just check the header links now and then for the latest updates on team rankings and schedule.)

Saturday, October 29, 2005 at 10:41:23 AM

@ IS,

Best of luck ahead of this weeks game I look foward to playing my former team players.......

@ MUSCLES,

Beware cause I am coming after you buddy!!!

Wild Child

Sunday, October 30, 2005 at 7:27:05 PM

@ SuperSize Me

Was that you, or an imposter last week that kept saying F.F.Ahole after bming me in a scrum game? Seemss like two different people here. Just wondering.

 

Monday, October 31, 2005 at 6:48:46 AM
wiz

Doesn't everyone say that? :)

Monday, October 31, 2005 at 7:41:42 AM

@ Napalm,

There are three names that I am associated with:-

1. Serial Killa - I believe that there are a coupe of people using this name. I don't play light anymore so I no longer use this name.
2. SuperSize Me - While I was on my three weeks break away from TT, I know first hand that there was an imposter of mine using this name. I don't swear when I play games, even when I am being team killed.
3. Wild Child - This is a name that I have begun to use in light of imposters. So far (touch wood) noone has impostered me.

Funny thing is why would anyone want to imposter someone who is more unstable than MS Windows??

SSMe

PS:- I don't swear in games, even when I am being team killed... Seems like it wasn't me!!!

Last edited: Monday, October 31, 2005 at 11:55:13 AM

Monday, October 31, 2005 at 11:43:52 AM
wiz

A little off-topic, but...

Woot! I just recruited a new player from the world outside (a guy from Miami). Fresh blood. Exactly what our game needs.

Monday, October 31, 2005 at 7:24:19 PM

Lol Banshee. I'll have to dig around and see if I can find that.

LC50

Monday, October 31, 2005 at 11:51:26 PM

@BoP
I just want you to know that the Wonders are stubbornly holding on to our ranking
And don't think for one second that you'se can bump us ;P

 

Tuesday, November 01, 2005 at 2:08:36 AM

Ok wiz. Magenta said he would be somewhat interest to join, thought, don't know how serious he was about it.

You don't have to let go of one rope before grabbing the other. But you'll have to let go of one if you want to swing forward.

Last edited: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 at 12:39:50 PM

Tuesday, November 01, 2005 at 12:07:53 PM
wiz

Nope, Triv. It's a totally new one. (Magenta's been around for a while.)

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Tuesday, November 01, 2005 at 12:14:20 PM

LMAO ROO, Now thats funny.

 

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Tuesday, November 01, 2005 at 2:30:18 PM

New Victim Wiz? :P

Oh do share
B)

Tuesday, November 01, 2005 at 4:17:24 PM

Hey everyone. I have been having some serious issues with my computer. I just found out the boot partition on my hard disk is useless (corrupted), so guess what, time for a new HD!!! Sorry, but about missing last game and not telling anyone, although I think I mentioned to some people that my computer had become unstable. I don't know if I'll be able to make Thursday's game, and if I do it will not be on my computer (might be some disadvantages there for me...). Well I'll try to stay in touch with everyone, but It's hard without my old computer!!! Dell should send me a new Hard drive soon, so once again the forces of nature will be balanced and my computer will work.

Tuesday, November 01, 2005 at 9:16:17 PM

OK! I can host now. I figured out my firewall problem (read ZoneAlarm) and I currently have a server up. Give it a try and if someone needs a playground for tonight, let me know before 5pm EST and I'll set 'er up.

Last edited: Thursday, November 03, 2005 at 8:04:08 AM

Thursday, November 03, 2005 at 8:03:07 AM
wiz

^ Qewl ;)

Thursday, November 03, 2005 at 8:48:00 AM

Dumdeedumdeedum Let's see what gets posted XD

Thursday, November 03, 2005 at 7:02:53 PM

Ok here we go again,

RATS VS HA,

Rats only had 4 show A( kj,blitz,lep , ancient ), they had 6 , we offered to play 4 on 4 was told they only would do 5 on 4 IT WAS THE RULES?
, I offered a re-schedule and was refused, they would not back down or give us a player , so I said to wait and I went looking for a sub , tried dash bash and 2 other servers with no luck...came back and they had already left

This is why we have problems, we ( rats ) have played other teams with 4 on 4 or even 3 on 3 just to avoid a resched and this is when we had more guys...

We are not forfeiting this ; if they ( HA ) are hell bent on a 5 vs 5 ,perfect server , no lag, format then reschedule or split the points..

We tried to play, we just wanted it to be fair as we have done for others

If this continues forget it , as a team we will be done, we showed up to play, was trying to be fair/even said nothing nasty and got bull$%^& in return

It is a shame to waste another night , when it could have been done like gentlemen/good sports instead here we are pushed back another week behind

 

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Thursday, November 03, 2005 at 7:06:13 PM

If you showed up to play, why didnt u? We left the server 20 mins after the game was scheduled and you only had 3 players on the field at that time. And no one was saying anything nasty. We showed up with 6 players and picked 5 for the game. You showed up with 3 initially stating we would have to play 3 v 3. When that didnt happen and your 4th showed up 5 mins late, you wanted a 4 v 4. We told you we had our 5 and you didnt want it. I thought we were being chastised for being one of those teams that wanted to reschedule rather than play. Now we show up full team the past two weeks since all that drama on the boards and this is what happens?

Thursday, November 03, 2005 at 7:14:06 PM

We played 5 vs 5 and TPC took both games IM was incredible just cant kill him. It was real fun I think the sloths liked it also apart from outcome.

 

Thursday, November 03, 2005 at 7:40:06 PM
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@Delta

Thanks for the kind words. You guys were amazing. You had us running in little circles. Excellent mobility. You obviously know your map very well. It was a fun game. You are as classy as you are skilled.

@Lep and Fatchick

Everybody knows the rules by now or at least they should. If the Rats had four players there within a few minutes of game time, you should have played four on four. This is a well-known league policy. I don't see anything in your post contradicting Lep's account FC.

In your words:

 

When that didnt happen and your 4th showed up 5 mins late, you wanted a 4 v 4.

 

So why didn't you play four on four?

It looks to me like you guys were a long way from accomodating and a long way from sporting. The four on four rule is designed to keep things fun and fair and get the games played.

I'm not the commissioner any more, but if I had to decide on this one based on your two posts, it would be 2.25/1.75 in favour of the Rats with an admonition to the HA's to try to be a little more sporting. No replay needed.

 

Last edited: Thursday, November 03, 2005 at 8:06:10 PM

Thursday, November 03, 2005 at 7:49:58 PM

Hmmm
well Bop and Wonders had a full showing too
Excellant games too I might add
We split - it might have been two up but BoP came thundering back to squeak a win
@TDR vs HA - sry to hear of the disagreement
sounds like a reschedue is in order ;)
This is after all a friendly competition held loosely together by everyones mutual desire
for some fun and challenging games

 

 

Thursday, November 03, 2005 at 7:50:28 PM

One word, Sportsmanship :)

Thursday, November 03, 2005 at 8:01:51 PM

IM,

I know this league's rules very well. Most of you who read my posts know that I have scrutinized this league's rules for quite some time. I dont know where you got the idea of a "well known rule" about playing 4 v 4. In fact I asked a question back on August 24th to the commish at that time...

 

5. What are the minimum allowed players to field a team? While most people probably think more players means an easier game..I've always viewed it as less players = less tanks to kill and less points to obtain. Especially in this league where high scoring affects team standings.

 

The answer I was given...

 

5.. I believe 4 tanks is the min. Below that # its a forfeit. That needs to be in the rules.

 

I believe that this simply means is that a team could field no less than 4 players. It never said that the other team was required to play with less because of their poor attendance. The entire reason I asked this question had to do with playing uneven teams based on this league's crazy scoring format. As for your faux scoring decision, I believe it to be based on favortism and is less "sporting" than a team attempting to be competitive.

 

Thursday, November 03, 2005 at 8:07:02 PM

@ IS,

That was one hell of a rocking game. I am curious to know whose server that was... Lag free, good fun, what else could we want other than a monkey on my back??

@ The rest of you bickering above,

The rules are simple, and if I was commish my decision would be similar to IM's. Just remeber one thing, just because you don't read the rules, does not mean that you should be excused. We are over half way of the season.

Forget about re-matches as the season is almost over, and we need to focus shortly on the finals shortly. Re-scheduling games prolong an already long and tiresome season.

Focus, have fun, and be mindful of others.

SK

 

Thursday, November 03, 2005 at 8:18:04 PM
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The four on four policy has been well known since very early in the season, when absenteeism started to be a problem. Emails were sent to the captains by Supra, who was commissioner at the time, on at least two separate occasions. If there was a shortage of players, it was to be four on four, or failing that four on three or three on three at the captains' discretion. This is not new.

 

We told you we had our 5 and you didnt want it.

 

So we've got ours and screw you. Nice. Real nice.

 

As for your faux scoring decision, I believe it to be based on favortism and is less "sporting" than a team attempting to be competitive.

 

If you knew anything about my history with the Rats, you'd know how absurd that statement is. I'm siding with the Rats on this one purely because from what I've seen here they're in the right.

 

Thursday, November 03, 2005 at 8:20:04 PM

Oh, emails sent to captains...not the rules as posted to the enitre league public? This is the "WELL KNOWN" 4 v 4 rule? That is funny, my friend. I am curious why this rule wasn't shared with everyone. I'm even more curious to see the captain only rules posted here to verify that this even exists as you state it. And if you are able to somehow post these emails, why weren't the league rules ever updated to show the changes? I suppose my question answered by the commish (in the public forum) is non-existant and forgotten since it doesn't help your argument? Yes, we had our 5 and that was what we came to play with. Never mind that we had 6 show up and that we practiced for a while before the league started. Yet, you expect us to just drop another player because our competition couldnt field a full team. I suppose that if their 4th didn't show up at all, we should have dropped down another person to play them 3 v 3? Would you give us even less points in your scoring decision if we refused that game too? And you are right, I dont know your history with the rats. I just know how I am despised for always speaking my mind.

Thursday, November 03, 2005 at 8:36:17 PM

I'm adding my hay-penny into this. We had our full team assembled (myself included for once) and we were waiting for the other team to arrive. I had to beg my director to get the night off (since I had rehersal for my school's Senior Show), so I had already made a sacrifice to come an play TT. When the other "team" shows up there's only 3 of them...then a forth one arrives around 6 minutes after the first 3 show up. I don't know exactly what the other players were doing tonight, but I think a little more effort should be made into showing up to games (which goes for all teams and players). Why would a jock want to miss a football game? Why would a TTer good enough to be selected for TBML miss games?
I don't know what others were doing tonight...but I made time. I didn't go through all the trouble of getting permission to miss rehersal to play a sub-par game (sub-par in respect to less people and less action, not saying at all that TDR is bad skill wise or anything like that).

*sigh* Next week I hope I don't have rehersal Thursday. :(

Last edited: Thursday, November 03, 2005 at 9:24:01 PM

Thursday, November 03, 2005 at 9:20:37 PM

Hey, it is just a game... Wish all would just relax and move forward.

As far being able to show up, I think due to some of the antics lately I have lost prof he refuses to show or answer email now in regards to tbml.

Get some is involved in teaching quite heavily and struggles to make our games when he can

Blitz is west coast and is running in door from work/traffic to make games

Kj is missing some soccer games/practices and other family activities to play this late most times

I myself am running in from either volunteer church stuff or my insane work schedule to play these games

Ancient is work swamped as well

As for bernie, dan and weasel they appear to be gone, have never showed since the first match way back when so there we are....

So when we show a couple of minutes late struggling to put forth what we can, to have "fun" it starts to become difficult. Most of the rats have been here for 2 years ( kj lep blitz get prof and ao ) , we have learned to try and have fun and not to bitch or squawk over a game.- been there done that... It destroys the fun... We tried our best to offer a 4 on 4 match with what we had, we tried to find a subsitute to get to a 5 on 5 game..
dont know what else to say.. It is getting too late to resched... This will put us up to 3 or 4 games to have to resched now... And to be honest with thanksgiving/xmas coming I doubt its gonna happen.

Just my 2.95 cents

 

Thursday, November 03, 2005 at 9:59:57 PM
wiz

FatChick. For what I'm concerned, your comments always tend to hold loads of scepticism and the only suitable word I can find, to describe what you might think contributes to the league is:

COUNTER-PRODUCTIVENESS.

Being someone who is "always speaking ones mind" isn't always the best. Rule of thumb should be, when you start feeling that what you're saying isn't making any progress for the situation, you ultimately choose another approach. I can't seem to recall one single moment, when you have actually said anything that could bring things to a resolution. But rather the contrary; in simple words, you're doing NOTHING to try and work for the better of this league.

While this logic seems fair enough for most people:

Less people equals less action. (Which is correct and it sucks.)

BUT.

Uneven people equals uneven and lopsided games . Hence, the thrill of winning a game on uneven terms is even worse. I would never feel good about beating the crap out of a team who struggled to get a certain amount of people, while still persisting to play with a full team of my own. That sucks even worst, am I right?

Now, if this would have been a league where things went all smooth, there COULD have been some relevant substance in what you and your teams wants, i.e a re-schedule. But, if you're even the slightest aware of the current situation, a re-schedule is just totally considered the LAST OPTION. (An option which you and your team could easily had avoided when you were to play against an undermanned Rats team.)

The whole league has run into a complete stall, halfly because of re-scheduled games and on the other half, because of people being completely uncompromising and never-understanding.

Where did all the willingness to make friends go?? After all, who enjoys playing games with enemies? To me, that's totally bizarre. As if you hadn't got enough buggers confronting you in real life, why bring em in here as well...?

So, I don't see any reasoning in what you're trying to say, no matter how far I dig into my gray matter. You apparently left the arena and as sad as it may seem, you said goodbye to any points and furthermore any fun at all. Your choice.

It's about time we grow up and take responsibility for our poor actions.

If I had any kids, I would simply had told them - if they tried to pull any doubtful trick cards out of their pockets - no, no, no... This ain't working, sonny. Stop what you're doing and start all over again. There is only one golden road to the win, and that is the often strugglesome, but upright one, where you show some respect to your competitors and try to stretch a little bit for the good of the game.

Reading your comments in this thread is indeed very testing, even for the most hard-fledged diplomatically minded. I can't help but thinking, you're looking into a dead end. And yet, you propose that everyone should follow you. That's a bit naive.

Ultimately, I think that game has to be done just there. It's a win for the rats.

Now, if anyone thinks, that damn scandinavian moron should zip it, right here, right now; feel free to tell me. You might even want to consider using a megaphone. Regardless, my opinion is:

This rotten kindergarten rubbish has to be gone and over with. I can't stand it.

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Friday, November 04, 2005 at 10:08:54 AM

Well said wiz.
Yes FC I too find your contributions to PTT to be very negative and seeking to divide rather than unify.
Seems you find intrigue and conspiracy under every rock.
Always questioning the logic and communications of the commish and captains.
You tend to "stir it up", seemingly for the sake of controversy rather than finding workable conclusions so all can move on and have fun with this game we are smitten with.
You did this in the Psycho Scrum thread as well as here.
Your attitude in the pre-game of last nights HA vs TDR match (which I observed) showed more of the same.
"5 minutes till forfeit" you pronounced with a seemingly smug declaration
When the rules were quoted to you ('four on four is also acceptable") by a memeber of the rats as well as by one of your own teammates you ignored it, preferring to focus on the "right " to claim a forfeit.
Again, dwelling on the negative, rather than seeking to move forward in a positive light.
It's not my attempt to defame you personally or start a flame war.
I've bitten my tongue , but finally felt that I must speak about it.
These league threads are not forums for debating societies, or arenas for "fine legal minds" to debate matters of precedence and interpretation of the fine points of league rules.
Plan the games, report the results, swagger and taunt yes.
But above all lets try to play the games.
Lets try to keep the fun in Think Tanks.

Friday, November 04, 2005 at 11:25:18 AM

Wiz for commish!!! We need someone with affirmative action. Anyone else want to second my vote?

SK

Friday, November 04, 2005 at 12:43:31 PM
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I would, but I like Wiz.

 

Friday, November 04, 2005 at 1:36:07 PM

Ah not to go too off topic but who is leading TPC - au?
The Wonders wish to reschedule our game with them
Way back at the first game of this worrisome season It was 5 wonders vs dash
Ya! Dashy was left standing at the alter - consequences of the valiant effort to expand the league
Certainly coulda forfeit and Dash offered but to tell the truth it just didn't feel right.
So lets get this replayed eh?

Also I agree whole heartedly about the suggestion to compile a good/bad attendance list for next season
We all had too much dropout!
Heh! Its like any other endeavour. You go into it hoping for the best. Praying that you have enough
contingency plans in place. Sometimes its clockwork. Sometimes its a struggle but ultimately,
its worth all the effort!
(bird brained logic brought to you by the captain whos team has the most consistent record) ;P

 

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Friday, November 04, 2005 at 2:04:36 PM

Hey Wiz, well said. I actually agree with some of your points. But I keep thinking, is this a competitive league or another pick up game? I see teams not being able to field full teams as the weakness and not those who show up when scheduled. I see people, such as yourself, compromising the rules and idea behind competition in order to simply finish the season. If thats what is desired, then my approach is totally irrational. I am a tenacious and fierce competitor. I have never been one to settle for less while forgetting integrity in the process. It seems that not everyone shares my same passion. Maybe its the athlete in me that has played in many sports leagues where teams accept a forfeit and still play the game for some fun and to honor those who actually showed up to play. I really dont understand how you feel that "we left the arena and said goodbye to any points". We waited 20 minutes after an hour long practice for a team who wanted us to play shorthanded. Hey, great fun for them, great opportunity for them, sucks if we lose and really sucks for those 2 guys we just told that they cant play. Yet you wonder why people quit? People quit because attendance sucks. And yes, I agree that rescheduling is a LAST OPTION. That is why we never agreed to it. And no, I never would tell you to zip it. While you are not from the USA, I think you have every right to freedom of speech. I like that you stand up for what you believe in.

Baba - Have I been stirring things up in the PS9 boards? NO. I am sure you are referring to when I tried to keep Napalm on our team because thats who we drafted? I hardly think I was trying to stir things up there. I wanted to keep our player. Im wondering if you are on the team that received him eventually and are sore that I wanted him for my team. Im sorry to say that after discussion, I learned that my team did not want him. Yes, I did say 5 mins til forfeit. While talking over yahoo chat, we were trying to decide how long we should stick around and wait for our competition to field a team. Yes, the rules do say 4 on 4 is acceptable. Just before that it says that "Play will consist of two 15-minute games between teams of five if possible". Im sorry to say it wasnt possible. We chose to play 5 v 4. Again, everyone who isnt in favor of that decision simply chooses to overlook my earlier post showing a commish's answer to uneven teams.

I come to have fun. I have even curtailed my in-game ranting of lag, errors, etc. Maybe I am too competitive for this type of league. Maybe you guys arent competitive enough. Most of all, I show up every freakin game. If I cannot, I let my team know about it ahead of time. I have things in real life that sometimes prevent me from playing. I also make sacrifices to play. Why? Because I signed up and said I would be here to play. If games are to be rescheduled, they should be done so AHEAD of time. Not after everyone showed up for no reason.

Call me kindergarten, call me negative, call me naive, or whatever you choose. But dont say that I am counter productive because I disagree with your theory. Blame the people who arent here for games. Blame the people who quit. Blame yourself if you are either of those.

Friday, November 04, 2005 at 3:56:30 PM

I've tried not to chime in, but I can no longer bite my fingers... Err, tongue...

A league is not a pick up game. While it is fun, it's not a "haha, I'm having fun" kind of fun, it's more like a "competitive rush" kind of fun. I run marathons. I like to run marathons. If I want to go for a run, I throw on the shoes and run. If I want to run "competitively", I sign up for a race. There is a difference between me racing the neighbors dog and me racing 10,000 people. While both are fun, they're not the same type.

I love playing leagues because the best are out there are you have to meld with teammates to beat them. I mean, back in the day I was just happy to play! Remember the days when each team had 8 active members and you had to sit every couple games?

Personally, I believe the flex schedule combined with the attendance issue are the reason for the downfall of this league. A team that doesn't have enough player SHOULD be penalized. I mean, we are penalizing the teams with good attendance by telling them "yes, thank you for having 5 players who have made the sacrifice to be here. However your oppenent can only field 3 so you have to play 3 vs 3 or 4 vs 4" - that's crap. On that same token, if I'm working late on thursday, I know that if I don't show up my team has a chance because if we only field 4 then the other team has to drop acouple players. If 2 or 3 players per team do that each week then guess what we get???? Oh, wait a minute, we already have it...

I'm as competitive as they come and what I know is this - I used to get nervous before playing these league games... Now it has become more like a chore because of the discord.

Sil

Friday, November 04, 2005 at 6:17:44 PM
wiz

I still think - in this particular, and most peculiar league - that no commish is the right direction to go. InfiniteMonkey did more than he might have known he actually did. I think that he, with all the energy he put into writing his long and most extraordinary well written messages managed to set a tone for this league, that I really think we should try and follow. Basically, what he said, is that (without ever noticing, or stop to reflect about it), the sole idea is that everyone should be able to enjoy oneself in here. This is meant to be your quick fix, when it comes to having some fun (and to perhaps even be a little escapistic) in life. For sure, you can have great fun anywhere else too - ThinkTanks isn't THE only place to be (in that case, now is a great time to drop out of this, immediately) - but POTENTIALLY, what DID shine through, between the lines of what InfiniteMonkey tried to express was, that we should just drop every issues between each others and get going with it.

And that's what I really think we should do - get going with this damn crappy league.

Everything that is in the way of accomplishing this goal should be left off of the league, period.

What the hell are you, anyway? Woosie scrummers, or what?!! (Sorry, Rx, Tally, et. Al.)

This is for GENERALS, only. Sorry, I mean, MACHO GENERALS, only. Well, for AMAZON SUPER MIGHTY WOMEN also (of course).

So now, if I were to make any decision at all in order to get a quick resolvement in this case, I would dress myself in mister nice guy's clothes and say, Desert Rats and Hells Angels got the weekend (that is, until 11.59 pm Sunday) to replay that game. I don't know why I'm even saying it, but in the name of humanism and freaking open mindedness, play the game like you were supposed to do in the first place, and have a laugh afterwards.

So. If no one has any objections, I propose you got until 11.59 pm Sunday to replay it. IF, for some forsaken reason, you don't manage to get it done with, the following rules, or clauses should apply:

- If team A has 5 players ready and team B is struggling to even get 3 players there, team A should show some good sportsmanship and field a team of the same amount as team B. Of course it sucks to play with this low amount of players (no question about it), but considering the options, this is THE only way to go. Besides, there is everything to earn in this scenario, that surprisingly few has appeared to notice before; one friend or another could never hurt, right?

- As an exception and excuse for Team A for not playing, would be if Team B is so undermanned that they can't even get more than 2 mere little tanks in there. I think this is where the line has to be drawn. And in this scenario, Team A would get the win, meaning 2.25 points goes to Team A and 1.75 points goes to Team B.

- If the game can't be played due to any other circumstances, it's a draw.

In my previous post, I said that I thought the game should be all judged in Rats favor. I'm aware of that, just so you don't think I'm completely out of conciousness here. But this is what stretching is all about; trying to find a way for both parties to settle down a decent resolution to whatever dispute they might have been caught within. (And this, without forgetting to have a deep, echoing, gutteral laughter afterwards.)

So, as to not give anyone (if there still exists any opportunistic mind of you) any reason for not playing that game, I would propose that if you can't play this game within the time frame given ^, the game is a draw. Nothing more, nothing less.

Sunday, 11.59 pm. Desert Rats vs Hells Anges - Dealine .

For further games, if one team isn't able to field a full team, I am proposing that the other team just reduce their amounts to the same as the few manned team. And I would like to see this as a rule to the current league. (In my own opinion, I really think this might be the best rule for any further league. I mean, competitive and fun games must always be what everyone is looking for, righters?).

Take care and may Bill Murray be with you.

Last edited: Friday, November 04, 2005 at 11:56:20 PM

Friday, November 04, 2005 at 6:24:56 PM

I like your ideas of saying future leagues should have a rule clearly stating what is to be done in cases of poor attendance. The deadline for rematches is a good idea too, for future leagues. I dont know about the rest of my team, but I personally have no time after tonight to get a game in. I think we will end up just getting back into the long backup of rescheduling again if we try it. I think most players really only have the time to make the games as posted as they make real life adjustments to accommodate. Who knows, maybe both teams have enough guys to get this one done? That is, if the players on my team agree that they should have to reschedule.

Friday, November 04, 2005 at 7:00:46 PM
wiz

As I was writing my previous post, I didn't see what silbarcalis were saying. But I'd like to add some few words to that as well.

What I'd like to include in the discussion, which I also mentioned previously above is that here , we're facing a very peculiar situation. I've never been in a league where things are this difficult, never. And I don't understand why either.

But here we are.

And sure, we could choose the path that silbarcalis is mentioning; to penalize the team that can't field a full team, when or if that occurs.

But in this case, my question is:

What fun do we really get out of that? What competition would that bring us?

I can only speak for myself, but I would never prefer playing in a league where the prevalent attitude is that we should penalize a team that has troubles fielding a certain amount of players, just because (which seems to be the case in this league) half of the team is made up of players that doesn't take this seriously enough in order to show up for games.

Let these two teams get the opportunity to play this game, within the already strangling deadline that I proposed, and maybe they'll have the best rumble they ever had.

So what if someone misses the opportunity to play a game? Just sit out, damn it.

Your time can't be THAT precious. If you suddenly find out that you have sacrificed your own wedding in order to get to a game where you had to sit out. Well, in that case, I'd have to say like I did before; stop playing this game here and now.

This isn't for woosies or people having babies. It's for game suckers and numbnuts who like to bust some metal heap on first sight.

There is one way we could get this mess in order, and that is to go go go. Without looking back to discuss any previous 'issues' ever more.

It's a game. And I'm pretty sure it's meant to be just that. Make your every effort to let it be fun. I'd rather loose all the games I played in - if I just had fun - in contradiction to play in games that I won without any competition and on uneven terms.

Last edited: Friday, November 04, 2005 at 7:25:46 PM

Friday, November 04, 2005 at 7:01:40 PM

Yes it sucks to play with uneven teams. And yes it sucks to have to sit players who made the effort to show up.
Since I am a genius, this is what I do all the time with euros: I sit 1player for game 1 and sit an other for game 2. This way we play with equal number of players and have a ball and everybody is happy.
Problem solved. :o

Saturday, November 05, 2005 at 4:40:39 AM
wiz

^ Correction. I think a typo must have slipped in there, at the word "genius". :o

Last edited: Saturday, November 05, 2005 at 12:36:54 PM

Saturday, November 05, 2005 at 12:36:15 PM

^^That took two days to find. What a discovery! Last season, TDR did what Stan said. First game, we would have 5 players in the round. The next round, we would switch some of the players, so that the other members of the team would have a chance to play as well. Don't see no harm in that method right there.

-AO

That's another whippersnapper belted by the feared AncientOne!

Saturday, November 05, 2005 at 6:12:25 PM

@ All
Sorry have been sick since late Thurs night.

@ Rooster
Please pull chat log from that match and you will find that lep asked for rechedule and I agreed to it since he couldn't find 5 member. Never did Lep mention (at least while I was there ) he was going to look for a sub. We both agreed on Reschedule then I left.Chat logger will prove this.

@ All
Sorry but if mt team shows up and yours don't,"To bad !" I will not punish mt team for your teams poor attendence. In no other league do we do this. If a team shows up for PSL and they only have 3 and the other team has 4, you play 4 on 3. Bottom line is, rules are there to be followed not bent to your liking. In another words, no team should ever be punished for good attendence. 8o

 

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