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oh yeah, and chief, remember when you were making a big stink about the oil for food scandal? (you remember, repubican talking point no. 4?). How come your "outrage" was confined to non us scoundrels?
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/102105S.shtml
we have a few of our own. Texas oilman types, too. You know, um, probably a democrat.
Jesus, your guys are going down all over the country. Our state just sentenced one of you for 10 months. In the neighboring state of spokane a republican state senator went down for gay child porn. Then there's delay, frist, et al...
What the hell is it with your team? No moral compass? Why so damn corrupt? Is it all that bible study, or all that being born again you always talk about? Throwing you out of wack I suppose.
Old Bush vs. New
WASHINGTON, Oct. 21 (UPI) -- The Bush administration is bracing for a powerful new attack by Brent Scowcroft, the respected national security adviser to the first President George Bush.
A Republican and a former Air Force general, Scowcroft is a leading member of the bipartisan foreign policy establishment, and his critique of both of the style and the substance of the Bush White House, is slated to appear in Monday's editions of the New Yorker magazine.
The article also contains some critical comments on the handling of U.S. Foreign policy by the current President Bush from his father, whose 1989-1993 presidency is hailed for deft management of the end of the Cold War, German unification, the first Gulf war and the collapse of the Soviet Union.
The new attack comes hard on the heels of the denunciation of "the cabal around Cheney's office" by Col. Larry Wilkerson, the chief of staff to former Secretary of State Colin Powell in a widely reported speech to the New American Foundation in Washington this week. Wilkerson said the national security decision-making process was effectively "broken."
Scowcroft's criticisms will be taken seriously at the highest levels of the Bush administration because he is seen as a mentor by some of its senior figures, notably Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, whose political career began when she worked under Scowcroft as an adviser on Soviet affairs.
The attack also comes as President Bush's opinion poll approval ratings have sunk to around 37 percent, partly reflecting the ill-handled federal government response to Hurricane Katrina's devastation of the Gulf coast. But majorities of Americans are also telling pollsters the country "is on the wrong track" and saying the Iraq war was a mistake.
The beleaguered Bush administration is also nervously waiting to see whether indictments in the CIA leak case are to be handed down next week against two key White House aides, Karl Rove and "Scooter" Libby. The White House is facing heavy flak from its conservative base over the controversial nomination of the president's counsel, Harriet Miers, to the vacant seat on the Supreme Court. And traditional balanced-budget conservatives have been dismayed by the double deficit, a combined deficit on the federal budget and on the current account that adds up to over $1 trillion this year.
A cartoon in the Washington Post Friday depicted the Bush White House being inundated by "The Perfect Storm" of Miers, Hurricane Katrina, Iraq, Rove, the budget deficit and the indictment this week of the Republican leader in the House of Representatives, Tom DeLay, on charges of money laundering campaign funds.
http://www.upi.com/SecurityTerrorism/view.php?StoryID=20051021-051052-6225r
My two cents for the day:
MUTH'S TRUTHS
OCTOBER 23, 2005
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DR. COBURN'S EMERGENCY
PORK REMOVAL SURGERY
There's a barbarian inside the Senate's gates - and he's wearing a stethoscope.
Man, oh man, did Sen. Tom Coburn, Oklahoma Republican, stir up the proverbial hornet's nest last week. Soooo-weeee! The obstetrician-turned-senator attempted to perform a little legislative surgery on some sacred cows to remove a little federal pork, and outraged colleagues from both sides of the aisle squealed like stuck pigs.
The long and short of it is that Dr. Coburn proposed a series of amendments on the Senate floor which would have re-directed certain earmarks - that's "pork" to you and me - to higher national priorities. For example, Dr. Coburn suggested taking money for Alaska's "bridge to nowhere" and using it to rebuild the hurricane-damaged bridge over Lake Pontchartrain in Louisiana. In response, Sen. Ted Stevens, Alaska Republican, had a veritable conniption.
"I come to warn the Senate, if you want a wounded bull on the floor of the Senate, pass this amendment," a red-faced Stevens snorted. "I stood here and watched Senator Allen teach the Senate lesson after lesson after something was done to Alabama that he didn't like. I don't threaten people; I promise people."
Yikes. Sure sounded like a threat to me. Coburn staffers shouldn't be surprised if they find a fish wrapped in newspaper delivered to the office this week. I'd sure hate to be the guy who has to start the doctor's car in the morning.
Sen. Stevens ended his floor rant by exclaiming, "Praise God I have the energy to do what I may have to do, to prove to the Senator from Oklahoma I mean what I say. This amendment is not going to pass. The Senate is warned. The amendment may pass, but if it does the bill will never be passed. If it does, I will be taken out of here on a stretcher."
Good grief. As a famous comedian once said, Joan of Arc did less whining at the stake.
Dr. Coburn also proposed cutting funds set aside for a "sculpture park" in Washington state, which caused Sen. Patty Murray to blow a gasket. "If the Senator from Oklahoma wants to look for a culprit for the fiscal situation in this country, he should look into the billions and billions of dollars in tax cuts that have been granted to multimillionaires in this country, and he should look at additional tax cuts his party wants to implement in future years if he wants to find incredible savings," Murray screeched from the floor.
Ah, those "tax cuts for the rich." How original.
Murray added that she and her colleagues were "not going to watch the Senator pick out one project and make it into a whipping boy," before tossing out her own Stevens-like threat: "What is good for the goose is good for the gander. And I tell my colleagues, if we start cutting funding for individual projects, your project may be next."
Oh, if only that were so.
It was then time for Sen. Ben Nelson, Nebraska Democrat, to get riled up and melt down in defense of a parking lot earmarked for a Nebraska art museum. "I object to singling out one or two or three of these projects as though there is something inappropriate about their priority," thundered Nelson. "There is nothing inappropriate about their priority."
Nah. Nothing at all. Of course, a museum parking lot in Nebraska rates right up there with rebuilding the levees in New Orleans. What in the world was Dr. Coburn thinking?
Well, he was thinking about another project in Rhode Island, "where we are spending $200,000 for the construction of an animal shelter when we cannot even shelter the people properly in Louisiana, Alabama, and Mississippi." That $200,000 is earmarked "toward a $2.2 million facility to house 120 cats and 45 dogs, with a dog obedience school and classroom settings for youth." Your tax dollars at work.
This kind of insane spending of the taxpayers' dollars has been going on for quite a long time now. But never has one of the Senate's own so thoroughly and effectively exposed such spending while at the same time embarrassing those who continue to vote for it. After the dust settled and the smelling salts revived Sen. Stevens, only 15 senators voted for Dr. Coburn's amendments to set national spending priorities. But this "loss" opened a whole new war on pork-barrel politics. The status quo is now on notice, if not on the run.
Finally, fiscal conservatives have in Dr. Coburn a U.S. Senator who isn't afraid to step on toes and call a porker a porker. The powers-that-be won't let this apostasy stand. The long knives will now be out for this pork-slicing heretic. So Americans of all political stripes who are tired of Congress spending their kids' and grandkids' inheritance need to rush to his defense.
Coburn the Barbarian must be saved!
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Chuck Muth is president of Citizen Outreach, a non-profit public policy advocacy organization in Washington, D.C. The views expressed are his own and do not necessarily reflect the views of Citizen Outreach. He may be reached at chuck@citizenoutreach.com.
Ok, ok. But this porkbarrel stuff is a no-brainer, isn't it? Wondering why we're not getting the ol blind GOP talking points outta you these days...is something akin to shame afflicting you guys?
Because it should be. Not really feeling like talking politics anymore huh? Certainly not the way you used to...extolling the virtues of republicanism...talking about how the country was moving to the right and all that shit.
To the extent you suffer shame right now, you become that much more likable. You should be ashamed, those of you who supported this administration twice. Its shameful stuff. And do this for us...you owe us...reflect on your shame, and what your support of these incompetent ideological turds has meant to this country. Don't do this again. Lets not go for the GOP trifecta of corruption (nixon, bush II, ????). Ok? Please?
Ideology aside, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, its a duck. Substitute moron, and this adage applied to bush all along. You know it. You always knew it. Step away from the dark side.
Oh, but jj, you can stay in the dark side. We don't have any use for you over here.
The Plame case has been all about leaks, but the big one that nobody has talked about was the 9/26/03 CIA leak.
This leak was NBC's report of a referral to the Justice Department from the CIA of a possible security violation concerning guess who?
Valerie, dat's who.
The referral was classified. Whoever leaked the story from the CIA was being clever.
There are an estimated 50 stinky leak referrals a year from the CIA to Justice, but this one gets dropped casually to Andrea Mitchell.
What was the big deal? It forced the referral, which are usually dropped (do you see prosecution of leaks often?), into the spotlight where public pressure would keep it alive and get it a special prosecutor.
It's not Iraq. It's the CIA-Washington leak war.
So, Chief is right. It was bad intel.
No, I take it back. Actually it was no intel. That's why the Senate did the investigation on pre-war intelligence. And Tenet is no more.
At the center of it all is Nostradamus Joe Wilson.
We shall see...
Mr. Fitz has a website!
Were there all Republicans on the Senate Committee that investigated Wilson? Nope. Even John Edwards signed the committee report.
It is fair to note that the Republicans did the concluding section and put it to Wilson. But he got fair questions and got cornered. He said his claims were a "little literary flair" when questioned by the Senate. Try word find for "literary flair" after downloading the Adobe version of the report.
Was Wilson smearing himself?!
More importantly was all this a spin out of the CIA to begin with? Who knows...
Not the CIA. It was never involved in intelligence gathering. It is trying to keep the bureau intact apparently.
So, I pick "C", 44. It was not known-bogus. It was not innocently misled. It was a vacuum.
At any rate, I hope everyone is catching the all the stories. I don't even look at the comics anymore. I laugh all the way through the political reports.
Here's one of the many favorites from Chris Matthews :
What questions still remain?
"... (When) Joe Wilson came back, did he or did he not issue a clear cut denial that there was any issue with uranium and Saddam? Was his report clear as a bell that there was nothing there, or was it murky, open to different interpretations? That's the question."
Ummm, Ummmm. Senate report? Wilson's report got wide distribution but contained no special information?
Last edited: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 7:14:04 AM
By day, he is the #2 man in one of the most powerful organizations in the history of man. He is a major influence on the events that shape today's world.
At night, he sheds his power persona to become one of the most prolificly liberal online gamers the internet has ever known.
His name: Richard "Dick" Cheney.
His handle: Fleabiscuit.
Yes ladies & gents - I am convinced that "Tricky Dick" is indeed the individual we have all come to know and love as "Flea."
Busted.
XD :P
Last edited: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 9:44:09 AM
^!!!
^^ desparately trying to spin the fox spin into relevance. You're breaking quite a sweat. And don't look now, but you're spotting.
Again: wilson=lying hack
WH=outted a cia agent, partially relied on false documents to justify war.
Which of these things matters most? Which will be recorded in history books?
Your enthusiastic attempts to equivocate just don't go anywhere, sir hack.
Jesus! Not only desparately spinning, but just damned wrong! Bad intelligence you say? Blame it all on tenet?
In an explosive series of articles appearing this week in the Italian newspaper La Repubblica, investigative reporters Carlo Bonini and Giuseppe d'Avanzo report that Nicolo Pollari, chief of Italy's military intelligence service, known as Sismi, brought the Niger yellowcake story directly to the White House after his insistent overtures had been rejected by the Central Intelligence Agency in 2001 and 2002. Sismi had reported to the CIA on October 15, 2001, that Iraq had sought yellowcake in Niger, a report it also plied on British intelligence, creating an echo that the Niger forgeries themselves purported to amplify before they were exposed as a hoax.
AND:
....Although Berlusconi's government clearly sought deniability while pushing the Niger uranium claims, the Bush White House went still further by trying to blame its citation of exaggerated and discredited Iraq WMD claims on the CIA, the very same agency that consistently discounted the Niger claims.
http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=10506
or reject this link, hell I don't care. But follow the link to the original italian journalist reports.
The cia rejected the documents, cheney did an end run. Its an interesting read. Now I'm seeing claims that wilson had seen transcripts of the documents at the time that he said that he had. Not the originals, (in Italian) but transcriptions the CIA had at the time...i don't see substantiation from the claims, but it is now known that the CIA had those transcripts at the time Wilson said he had access to them.
Interesting. One learns so much more if one isn't just concerned with preserving one's ideology.
Irregardless of what one believes, truly sad news.
Well....looks like today's the day.
Here's a little breakfast for you boys...guess it kinda sums up my biggest issue with "Smilin' Joe" (other than his hair)
That being said - anyone who is convicted in this case should be immediately terminated and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Husband is conspicuous in leak case
Wilson’s credibility debated as probe may be nearing end
By Dana Milbank and Walter Pincus
The Washington Post
Updated: 10:06 p.m. ET Oct. 24, 2005
To his backers, Joseph C. Wilson IV is a brave whistle-blower wronged by the Bush administration. To his critics, he is a partisan who spouts unreliable information.
But nobody disputes this: Possessed of a flamboyant style and a love for the camera lens, Wilson helped propel the unmasking of his wife's identity as a CIA operative into a sprawling, two-year legal probe that climaxes this week with the possible indictment of key White House officials. He also turned an arcane matter involving the Intelligence Identities Protection Act into a proxy fight over the administration's credibility and its case for war in Iraq.
Also beyond dispute is the fact that the little-known diplomat took maximum advantage of his 15 minutes of fame. Wilson has been a fixture on the network and cable news circuit for two years -- from "Meet the Press" to "Imus in the Morning" to "The Daily Show." He traveled west and lunched with the likes of Norman Lear and Warren Beatty.
He published a book, "The Politics of Truth: Inside the Lies that Led to War and Betrayed My Wife's CIA Identity." He persuaded his wife, Valerie Plame, to appear with him in a January 2004 Vanity Fair photo spread, in which the two appeared in his Jaguar convertible.
Now, amid speculation that prosecutors could bring charges against White House officials this week, Republicans preparing a defense of the administration are reviving the debate about Wilson's credibility and integrity.
Wilson's central assertion -- disputing President Bush's 2003 State of the Union claim that Iraq was seeking nuclear material in Niger -- has been validated by postwar weapons inspections. And his charge that the administration exaggerated the threat posed by Iraq has proved potent.
Vanity Fair photo shoot
At the same time, Wilson's publicity efforts -- and his work for Sen. John F. Kerry's presidential campaign -- have complicated his efforts to portray himself as a whistle-blower and a husband angry about the treatment of his wife. The Vanity Fair photos, in particular, hurt Plame's reputation inside the CIA; both Wilson and Plame have said they now regret doing the photo shoot.
Wilson's critics in the administration said his 2002 trip to Niger for the CIA to probe reports that Iraq was trying to buy uranium there was a boondoggle arranged by his wife to help his consulting business.
The Wall Street Journal's conservative editorial page, defending the administration, wrote yesterday that, "Mr. Wilson became an antiwar celebrity who joined the Kerry for president campaign." Discussing his trip to Niger, the Journal judged: "Mr. Wilson's original claims about what he found on a CIA trip to Africa, what he told the CIA about it, and even why he was sent on the mission have since been discredited."
Wilson's defenders say he is a truth-teller who has been unfairly attacked. "(T)he White House responded to Ambassador Wilson in the worst possible way," said Rep. Henry A. Waxman (D-Calif.) said at a Democratic gathering in July. "They did not present substantive evidence to justify the uranium claim.... Instead, it appears that the president's advisers launched a smear campaign, and Ambassador Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame Wilson, became collateral damage."
Before the Niger episode, Wilson was best known as the charg d'affaires in Baghdad, a diplomat commended by George H.W. Bush for protecting and securing the release of American "human shields" at the time of the Persian Gulf War. He was not known as a partisan figure -- he donated money to both Al Gore and George W. Bush in 1999 -- and says he was neither antiwar nor anti-Bush when he went to Niger in late February 2002.
But that changed when he went public with his criticism of the Niger affair in mid-2003. In August, he said at a forum that he would like to see Karl Rove "frog-marched out of the White House in handcuffs." In the fall, he endorsed Democrat Kerry. He had given money to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's (D-N.Y.) political action committee in 2002 and gave to Kerry's presidential campaign in 2003.
Later, Wilson became prominent in the antiwar movement. In June 2005, he participated in a mock congressional hearing held by Democrats criticizing the war in Iraq. "We are having this discussion today because we failed to have it three years ago when we went to war," he said at the time. The next month, he joined Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) at a news conference on the two-year anniversary of the unmasking of Plame.
Wilson has also armed his critics by misstating some aspects of the Niger affair. For example, Wilson told The Washington Post anonymously in June 2003 that he had concluded that the intelligence about the Niger uranium was based on forged documents because "the dates were wrong and the names were wrong." The Senate Intelligence committee, which examined pre-Iraq war intelligence, reported that Wilson "had never seen the CIA reports and had no knowledge of what names and dates were in the reports." Wilson had to admit he had misspoken.
‘A conduit’?
That inaccuracy was not central to Wilson's claims about Niger, but his critics have used it to cast doubt on his veracity about more important questions, such as whether his wife recommended him for the 2002 trip, as administration officials charged in the conversations with reporters that special counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald is now probing. Wilson has maintained that Plame was merely "a conduit," telling CNN last year that "her supervisors asked her to contact me."
But the Senate committee found that "interviews and documents provided to the committee indicate that his wife... Suggested his name for the trip." The committee also noted a memorandum from Plame saying Wilson "has good relations" with Niger officials who "could possibly shed light on this sort of activity." In addition, notes on a State Department document surmised that Plame "had the idea to dispatch him" to Niger.
The CIA has always said, however, that Plame's superiors chose Wilson for the Niger trip and she only relayed their decision.
Wilson also mistakenly assumed that his report would get more widespread notice in the administration than it apparently did. He wrote that he believed "a specific answer from the agency to the office of the vice president" had probably taken place, perhaps orally.
But this apparently never occurred. Former CIA director George J. Tenet has said that "we did not brief it to the president, vice president or other senior administration officials." Instead his report, without identifying Wilson as the source, was sent in a routine intelligence paper that had wide circulation in the White House and the rest of the intelligence community but had little impact because it supported other, earlier refutations of the Niger intelligence.
Wilson also had charged that his report on Niger clearly debunked the claim about Iraqi uranium purchases. He told NBC in 2004: "This government knew that there was nothing to these allegations." But the Senate committee said his findings were ambiguous. Tenet said Wilson's report "did not resolve" the matter.
On another item of dispute -- whether Vice President Cheney's office inspired the Wilson trip to Niger -- Wilson had said the CIA told him he was being sent to Niger so they could "provide a response to the vice president's office," which wanted more information on the report that Iraq was seeking uranium there. Tenet said the CIA's counterproliferation experts sent Wilson "on their own initiative."
Wilson said in a recent interview: "I never said the vice president sent me or ordered me sent."
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My mind doesn't work too well in this format...(under 500 words!)...try the fo fo or da ho for low word/high humor ratio
But what I can add: two more republican heavy weights tell us what we already know: Brent Scowcroft and Larry Wilkerson.
Scowcroft
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/editorial/12996756.htm
One of the most important critiques of George W. Bush's foreign policy has just been put forward by a close friend of his father.
In a stunning profile in the Oct. 31 issue of the New Yorker, Brent Scowcroft, national security adviser to the first President Bush, lays bare the policy flaw that turned postwar Iraq sour. The article's title: "Breaking Ranks - What turned Brent Scowcroft against the Bush Administration."
Its most important point: Bush foreign policy has been undercut by the President's unwillingness to listen to ideas that conflict with his convictions.
It is a devastating portrait of a president cut off from contrary views.
But it's absolutely true. I believe that the decisions of this cabal were sometimes made with the full and witting support of the president and sometimes with something less. More often than not, then-national security advisor Condoleezza Rice was simply steamrolled by this cabal.
Its insular and secret workings were efficient and swift — not unlike the decision-making one would associate more with a dictatorship than a democracy. This furtive process was camouflaged neatly by the dysfunction and inefficiency of the formal decision-making process, where decisions, if they were reached at all, had to wend their way through the bureaucracy, with its dissenters, obstructionists and "guardians of the turf."
But the secret process was ultimately a failure. It produced a series of disastrous decisions and virtually ensured that the agencies charged with implementing them would not or could not execute them well.
The wheels came off this wagon in 2000. We've been finding out about it ever since. It only gets worse and worse. This isn't an administration to be proud of. As the silence from the last two shillers chief and JJ illustrates. Not even they can reconcile themselves to this now unavoidable recognition.
A steady stream of denunciations by washington insiders, military men, administration staff coupled with the obvious policy failures, incompetence, cronyism, arrogance and corruption (delay, frist, plamegate) assure this administration top place in the annuls of failed presidencies. This bumps out nixon in my book.
And some of you voted for him twice.
You are now associated with the biggest failure in american presidential history. And you need to reflect on it.
Too funny: if fox news had been around throughout our history:
More silence from our conservative friends?
Anyway you guys see this? IT'S F ING HUGE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vice President Cheney and his chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, overruling advice from some White House political staffers and lawyers, decided to withhold crucial documents from the Senate Intelligence Committee in 2004 when the panel was investigating the use of pre-war intelligence that erroneously concluded Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, according to Bush administration and congressional sources.
Among the White House materials withheld from the committee were Libby-authored passages in drafts of a speech that then-Secretary of State Colin L. Powell delivered to the United Nations in February 2003 to argue the Bush administration's case for war with Iraq, according to congressional and administration sources. The withheld documents also included intelligence data that Cheney's office -- and Libby in particular -- pushed to be included in Powell's speech, the sources said.
The new information that Cheney and Libby blocked information to the Senate Intelligence Committee further underscores the central role played by the vice president's office in trying to blunt criticism that the Bush administration exaggerated intelligence data to make the case to go to war.
http://nationaljournal.com/about/njweekly/stories/2005/1027nj1.htm
Kinda smells worse than watergate around these parts...CHENEY IS GOING DOWN! Maybe not immediately, but soon...muhahahahaha. The evil bastard.
Last edited: Thursday, October 27, 2005 at 3:06:03 PM
Bad intelligence!!!!
Busted!!!!!
They cherry picked it, just like I said. And then they tried to cover it up! And now they are busted!
How could you guys be so damn wrong? And now so silent.....i guess the best way to denounce a neo-conservative is to stand back and let the evil bastards discredit themselves. Holy smokes! Leo strauss would have been proud of his man cheney though.
I told you so I told you so I told you so I told you so I told you so!!!!!!!!
And we never would have found out about this if they hadn't been so brazen. Good ol hubris!!!!!!!
Oh, oops. I feel the sting of that myself! Sorry for gloating. But I TOLD YOU SO!!!!
Last edited: Thursday, October 27, 2005 at 3:12:52 PM
Yo guys - no silence here....have actually been traveling this week. Haven't really had a whole lot to say, other than on the Miers issue. Am kinda glad that both sides did the right thing. Had the Dems attacked her it never would have happened.
The article above is the first I've seen on that story. Wonder why it hasn't been picked up?
Oy chief: give it time. Perhaps I was a bit over-jubilant though...maybe its nothing. Its just that I really hate that bastard cheney. Bush? He's a nincompoop. But cheney is just pure rotten, snarling, evil.
Youre right about miers. Death by conservatives...instead of incompetence/inexperience. My prediction: bush goes with highly qualifed, but very conservative judge. Relishes ideological fight as chance to pull back in the more extreme elements of his base (aka wingnuts). Maybe such a fight is needed to gage where this country sees itself heading.
Flea: you think there are bigger bears than cheney?
I agree - he really has no other choice at this point. And, quite frankly, I think a good ole fashioned confirmation "free-for-all" would do both parties, and the country as a whole, a lot of good.
It would definitely clarify the political landscape...
Call off the marching bands, Fitzmas parade is a cancellation.
From off the web, the Great Expectation, now deceased:
Twas the night before Fitzmas, and in the White House
Every one was scared witless, and Bush was quite soused
The indictments were hanging like Damoceles’ sword
As verminous oxen prepared to be gored
The perps were all sleepless, curled fetal in bed
While visions of prison cells loomed in each head
And Dick in his jammies, and George in his lap
Were sweating and swearing and looking like crap
When out on the web there arose such a clatter
The blogs and the forums were buzzing with chatter
Away to the PC Rove ran like a flash
He booted his browser and cleared out his cache
The rumors that flew through the cold autumn air
Made Dubya shiver with angry despair
When what to his horror-filled eyes did he spy?
A bespectacled man with a brown suit and tie!
With an impartial manner that gave Bush fits
He knew in a moment it must be St. Fitz!
With unwavering voice, his indictments they came
He cleared out his throat and he called them by name:
Now Scooter, Now Libby,
Now Blossoming Turd,
Now Cheney, dear Cheney,
Yes, you are the third
To the bench of the court
Up the steps, down the hall
Now come along, come along,
Come along, all!
He then became silent, and went right to work
He filed the indictments and turned with a jerk
And pointing his finger at justice’s scale
Said, “The people be served, and let fairness prevail.”
He then left the room, to his team gave a nod
And the sound could be heard of a crumbling facade
And we all did exclaim, as he faded from sight
“Merry Fitzmas to all, and to all a good night!”
Last edited: Friday, October 28, 2005 at 1:16:20 PM
At least, Chief, you have outed Cheney. Posing as Fleabiscuit. Gah!
Last edited: Friday, October 28, 2005 at 11:16:04 AM
I ask you, Chief. Do those who knew that Valerie was not a covert spy and have known it all along, should they now be taken to task for wasting two year's of the taxpayers' money?
*JJ bangs fist on table.*
Last edited: Friday, October 28, 2005 at 1:23:03 PM
^partisan hack using false suppositions in his assertion.
Where was your outrage when ken starr pissed your money away, rush?
WASHINGTON -- Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, one of the most trusted and powerful aides in the White House, was indicted today on charges of obstruction of justice, making false statements and perjury in a case that goes to the heart of the Bush administration's reasons for invading Iraq.
Invading iraq...2000 dead americans....no WMDs.
This isn't a waste of time and money, hack. 2000 dead americans is serious business. More serious than a a thousand blow jobs or a million lies about blow jobs. The families of our dead countrymen deserve to know if they were sent to iraq based on a lie.
This case is bigger than the leak of highly classified information. It is about how the Bush White House manufactured and manipulated intelligence in order to bolster its case for the war in Iraq and to discredit anyone who dared to challenge the president."
Your horse shit suppostion is that every knew that valery plame was a covert cia agent, therefore she was already outed. So it was ok for novak to broadcast to america that plame was an undercover agent. Uh...good point. Pretty much ann coulter is just about the only one still pushing that cart of crap.
Its sad to see what a caracature you've become to preserve your version of reality.
Last edited: Friday, October 28, 2005 at 3:18:28 PM
A little off topic. Do any of you all support the notion of a preemptive strike?
With appropriate evidence I must admit I'm completely for such a reaction by any country. I just think there comes a point in time when enough is enough.
This getting close enough for me. http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/10/28/iran.reaction/index.html
Do statements like those made by the Iranian President constitute grounds for a preemptive strike by Israel? Should a country with such ambitions be allowed nuclear technology? Or, is this simply a case of BS posturing and a means in which the Iranian authority is ensuring their people cling to their fundamentalist ideals? Might this just be a yank on the leash by the Iranian authority to keep their people in check as they see it?
I know, I know, this is what we've already done in Iraq. I think this is an entirely different situation considering Israel is the poster child for retaining and deliberating ultraconservative/radical values in several Middle Eastern countries. How much is when in this case?
Like a midget at a urinal, I was going to have to be on my toes.
Invite a retard to a picnic and you'd better expect to get drool in the potato salad.
Last edited: Friday, October 28, 2005 at 3:02:51 PM
I think you're both headed in different directions.
Today's charges were in relation to the investigation itself. I haven't had a chance to see exactly what the charges relate to (month end), but had he not done (whatever) in the investigation, I think the grand jury's term would have wrapped up uneventfully. I agree with JJ that her covert status was well known in the beltway social circles well before Novak's article.
On the two year investigation taking two yhears and ton of taxpayer money....I think that's precisely why the charges were filed today. Fitzy had to do SOMETHING...hell, the media had the spotlight squarely on him. He would have looked like a real ass had he not.
I also think that Wilson and whomever...probably Flea.....er, I mean Cheney...really screwed the pooch taking their political pissing match public. They could have made a ton of money slugging it out on pay-per-view.
Stink has a good point in the families of our war dead need to know the real deal - whatever that is. And I say that with full support of the war and it's conclusion.
"her covert status was well known in the beltway social circles well before Novak's article" substantiation please.
"Fitzy had to do SOMETHING" sounds like an attempt to down-play the seriousness of the charges brought against libby. And don't forget, rove is still under investigation. Who knows what comes out in the trial....cheney for example.
Now, the democrats tried to down-play the charges against clinton, you will recall. In that blow job matter. Tried to scoff it off. Kinda a partisan thing to do.
Still, it was about blow jobs, and lying about them. Not retribution and false reasons for going to war.
Speaking of partisan things to do:
How about the partisan vote to cut food stamps?
url=http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051028/pl_nm/food_congress_cuts_dc
Can someone check the Republican congressional calendar? How long (soon?) until they think they can pass all those planned tax breaks for the rich? If Fox News had been around, indeed - waiting for this headline: "Poor Attack the Rich: Demand Food But Are Given Cake Crumbs"
Let them eat cake.
No wait. Give them nothing.
Based on the check I am getting ready to write.....*somebody's* getting *something*.......
Who's the most powerful and influential policymaker in this administration?
Bush? Only in Miers' mind.
Rove? Only in John Q. Public's mind.
Rumsfeld? He's up there...but not on top.
Cheney? Ding, ding, ding.
Who's Cheney's right-hand man? Who rides to work with him everyday? Who has the ear and trust of the most powerful and influential policymaker in this administration? Who's Cheney's Cheney?
A guy who leaked the identity of an undercover CIA agent, then lied to FBI agents, lied under oath in front of a grand jury and obstructed a federal investigation....all in effort to cover-up his boss' lies to you, me, the american public, congress, the United Nations and the world about the rationalle for war in Iraq.
Honor and integrity?
You f'n hypocrites are going down.
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@Scooter
You were indicted in the fall. Soon it will be winter and there will be questions asked, deals offered and testimony required--WMD intelligence and speech drafts, orders, directives and chain of command. Out West, where Judy vacationed, one aspen will be dying. It will die of it's own doing, because it's roots are too tangled. Enjoy your respite from work---and life. Read a book about Vince Foster. You will remain in my thoughts and prayers.
Loyally yours,
Dick
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You're one funny "honky mofo" my man.
Ps - the 11 white russians made me do it.
So near Halloween too. What would life be with no bogeyman conspiracy? Now it's Cheney?
Rove has lost his conspiracy status? Come on.
As to Fitz's indictment, I looked it through and through. I find no leak indictment. Not in connection with the Bob Novak, our main player. (Or anyone else.) Novak, the man who wrote that "outing" column about one week after Mr. Wilson played Dennis the Menace in the op-eds and told the nation what he didn't find in Africa.
Now I admit the statements by Libby were dumb. If true. (Innocent till guilty.)
I can't see conspiracy to hide Cheney by Libby though. (Sorry there goes another conspiracy possibility!) Ummmm, Libby contradicted even his own notes that he turned in to the grand jury. And he's an attorney too? Was it a full moon p'haps?
Why is there no leak indictment? Because Fitz, whose performance I give the "John Roberts Award for Thoroughness and Preparedness," probably thought there was not a whole lot of anything to this.
If you still say that it harmed national security, then how about this little bit in a story from the Wash Post that supposedly cries out about outing?
The CIA will not conduct a formal damage assessment until legal proceedings are complete.
Two years and how long later will they find out if there was formal damage?
I really don't understand.
So, I'll create a conspiracy story too!
Here it is.
Joe Wilson was a pawn in a game engineered by clandestined CIA high officials who were about to get their careers ruined as the Senate Committee delved into the CIA's miserable pre-war intelligence job. They drop a few hints to some media mouths (Novak, and Pincus of the Wash Post).
They may also have talked to Tim Russert of NBC. We shall see!
The Snowball Effect begins. Oh No! A leak of a CIA covert agent's name has taken place! Andrea Mitchell says a referral has been made! (How did we find out about that one?!! Another leak! This is better than the X-files!)
Now we get two years of flap and Fitzmas that fizzles.
Stay tuned for the next chapter.
At any rate, one of the chief objections to the stated motive of Cheney smearing Wilson is wrong. Wilson was taking friendly fire. From his own gun.
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Nice question, Rogue.
At last, the real issue.
If Iran has a Slim Pickins ready to ride a missile through the sky, how does everyone else act? Good question. Good question.
Yehoshaphat Harkabi, head of Israeli intelligence, is the first to use the expression: "When the swamp disappears, there will be no more mosquitoes." Talking about the problems of terrorism, as it related to Palestinian self-determinism, at the time.
Clinton used the "drain the swamp" thing first, true?...heh
Given the recent news of the oil-for-food fiasco, I don't think Germany or France are in any trouble of seeing the Arab Slim Pickins.
Actually, I think it's hype. But they better watch out for Israel.
Wait, let's try diplomacy first!
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@Stink: Get over it with the big 2000 casulties dig. Not to disrespect the troops, but we lose many more of our own here at home to gang violence and the like on a yearly basis. Maybe we should pull out and put the troops on our own streets?
@ROGUE: Iran is a big possibility. (gawd I hope not...)
Why is there no leak indictment? Because Fitz...probably thought there was not a whole lot of anything to this.
Stupidest statement ever.
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@ JJ
Your one track mind and loyalty to mission would certainly afford you a low level job within the bigger circle. But the lack of seeing the bigger picture would never give you name recognition.
A secret cabal ruled in Bush's first term. This shadowy process was guided by Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld.
From managing the environment to securing sufficient energy resources, from dealing with trafficking in human beings to performing peacekeeping missions abroad, governing is vastly more complicated than ever before in human history.
Further, the crises the U.S. Government confronts today are so multifaceted, so complex, so fast-breaking -- and almost always with such incredible potential for regional and global ripple effects -- that to depart from the systematic decision-making process laid out in the 1947 statute invites disaster.
This isn't about Scooter or Rove or dime-a-dozen reporters. This is about power, trillions of dollars, and the machine that runs it. This administration is pissing on that machine. You think the people who keep the gears lubed are going to continue to let them piss on it? The war is just starting to heat up, and I'm not talking about Iraq. I'm a bit concerned about the casualties though. This isn't going to be pretty.
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http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/10/30.html#a5624
indefensible.
@JJ
You live in Spokane, WA?
Monday, June 06, 2005
Dishonorable Discharge
I was saving this title until my penicillin regimen was complete (I think a lot of good, godly men want to forget about the iniquitous Saturday night that preceded Justice Sunday). Unfortunately, an event has occurred which requires me to use it a little early.
One of the first rules of warfare is to stay true to your mission. I broke that rule this weekend and I've paid a terrible price for it. The General is no longer welcome in the ranks of the Protest Warriors. I've been dishonorably discharged.
I have no one but myself to blame. I know that the Protest Warrior's mission is to fight dissent within our borders, yet I proposed an operation that fell far outside that simple mandate. My plan, Operation Integrity, would have endangered Protest Warrior lives by placing them in Iraq.
It all started with a note from Sergeant Major JJ Honeycutt, commander of the Protest Warrior's Inland Empire (Spokane, WA) Chapter. I've received many emails from SGM JJ in the year since I joined PW, but in this one, he seemed a bit more desperate than usual. I think HQ might be leaning a bit on him because of the high failure rate of his missions. Five out of six are listed as failures on the PW web site. Operation Campus Collaboration is his one success, but that's only because the objective, watching Our Leader's acceptance speech with the Gonzaga College Republicans, was so easily achievable.
Anyway, here's his email:
Subject: HQ chapter broadcast: Protest Warriors
From: JJ@SpokaneRFL.com
So I have been out of the loop for awhile with things... Mainly a new baby. My daughter [] was born May 15!!! Anyhow, I am looking forward to getting things up and going again. We need some ideas and some volunteers. The last few missions have been utter failures because I cannot do them by myself. We need some serious focus and motivation.
I want to have a chapter meeting soon so any suggestions on date, place, and time would be appreciated. I want you all to please respond to this email. Let me know if you are still interest in being a part of this chapter. If not, just drop me an email to let me know. I need to weed out the meek and /or lazy. If I don't receive a response I will recommend a possible courtmartial and dishonorable discharge. HAHA... That means I will take you off the list.
If you may be concerned with conflicts in your schedule and upcoming missions and you still want to be part of the chapter let me know. There are still ma!
ny opportunities to help the chapter behind the scene. I just need some confirmation of your intent.
Other than that I hope we can get some stuff done this summer. I want a successful mission under our belt. I also want to apologize for my absence. I tried to get someone to cover but I received no feedback. Also check out the Washington forum and post your thoughts and ideas.
For Freedom,
JJ Honeycutt
SGM, Inland Empire Chpt.
Commander JJ's begging caused me to feel a little guilty, because I haven't been pulling my load. After a few minutes of consideration, it occurred to me that I might be able to put together an operation to help JJ out. Many, if not most, of the warriors in the Inland Empire Chapter are either students or unemployed. "Perhaps," I thought, "we could all go to the recruitment center in Spokane and sign up to serve in the military."
I quickly put my thoughts into an email to all fifty-one members of the chapter.
From: "Gen. JC Christian, Patriot"
Subject: Re: HQ chapter broadcast: Protest Warriors
JJ, I agree that we need to get a successful mission under our belt. We've all heard about how the military is not meeting its recruitment goals. We're facing a manpower crisis. When I look at our membership, I see a lot of able-bodied men and women of military age. I say we hold a rally at the recruiting station. Then, after a few speeches, we all go in and sign up.
Heck, we can always fight the liberals later. It's time to take the Protest Warrior flag to Iraq.
I received two emails in response. The first came from reader Kent's sweetheart, Risawn, who's serving in Kosovo, and the second from Commander JJ, who noted that he did his service during peace time.
Other than that, nothing. None of the other forty-eight warriors responded. That includes: Ben Lange, an unemployed student; Daniel Brutocao, President of the Gonzaga College Republicans and member of the school's golfing team; Steven Himes, whose PW profile lists his hobby as "heroics;" Bill Benson, who claims to be an expert in "terrorism threat assessment, physical security;" Jane Provinsal of the Gonzaga College Republicans; and Cody Clary who claims to be a ninja.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not condemning these fine warriors for not responding to my call to sign up for military service. They did the right thing. Unlike me, they understood that fighting in Iraq is not a part of the Protest Warrior mission. They understand that their skills are needed here at home; their fight is with the dissenters.
It all came to a head on Sunday, when our old friend, Chad Coleman from passtheammo.com sent the following note to the men and women of the Fighting Inland Empire Chapter:
From: "Chad Coleman"
Subject: Re: HQ chapter broadcast: Protest Warriors
Attn All PW's
Gen. JC Christian, Patriot is a liberal troll, a filthy pagan, and he worships the prince of darkness on a full moon. He has been seen hanging around gay bars, drawing pictures of ding-dings, trying hard to be funny and sedective to little boys, as well as operating a blasphemous, and highly homosexual website known as www.patriotboy.blogspot.com.
JJ, remove him from the list.
Not one to stand still for such slander, I replied:
From: "Gen. JC Christian, Patriot"
Subject: Re: HQ chapter broadcast: Protest Warriors
I won't stand still for such slander. I'm a true patriot, a god-fearing Christian, and above all else, one hundred and ten percent heterosexual.
Let's put this nonsense behind us and move forward with Operation Integrity. Those of you who are too old to serve can bring your sons, daughters, and grandchildren along to sign up. Our country needs us.
By then it was too late. Commander JJ sent this short message in response:
Subject: HQ chapter broadcast: Protest Warriors
From: JJ@SpokaneRFL.com
Hey, I found your website... Neat stuff. I subsequently deleted you from the our PW chapter. Thanks for the memories.
JJ
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It figures
Well - since we're going to re-fight that part of the war - I figured I would share this email thread with y'all. Take what you want from it, I'm not going to post the 100's of emails that are part of it.
The participants are myself, a moderately liberal Dem from New York (somewhere between Stink and Flea) and a pretty conservative Rep from Georgia (I actually asked him if he was "JJ" a couple of months ago....he said no...and replied "you mean like "Goodtimes-JJ-you-got-a-job-yet"?)
Anyway - I thought "Brian" (names changed to protect the innocent) brought up the elephant in the room (one of many):
Hey you guys, I was thinking about our conversation over the weekend (man I am sick) and I was curious what your thoughts were on the situation with Libya and their admission of a secret nuclear program and the end of it once they watched Saddam pulled from a spider hole.
Excerpt from the article http://www.insightmag.com/media/paper441/news/2004/03/30/World/How-George.W.Bush.Got.Qaddafis.Attention-632702.shtml
The final event that sealed the fate of Qaddafi's nuclear-weapons program took place in early December 2003 along the borders of the Tigris River near Tikrit, when U.S. Soldiers pulled former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein out of a spider hole."When Qaddafi watched a U.S. Medic probe Saddam's hair for lice and poke around his mouth, he was stunned," several sources tell Insight. Western diplomats in Tripoli agree that Saddam's capture "traumatized" the Libyan leader. "What happened is very clear," an administration official says. "Things happened, and immediately afterward the Libyans did things in response."
Until Saddam's capture, "we were still negotiating. Both sides were sparring back and forth," a British official involved in the talks says. "Things radically changed course after that." Just 10 days later, Qaddafi made his official announcement that Libya was giving up its WMD programs and had invited U.S. And British experts into the country to verify the dismantling of his weapons plants.
Does the Bush administration and their policy of taking Saddam out get any credit for making Libya come clean?
Another point, and call me a conspiracy theorist, I believe that the idea of a Russian led movement of Iraqi WMD’s to Syria is a very plausible idea. Friend or Foe, which ever you want to call Russia, they are still in the business of selling arms and the suppliers always like to take care of their best customers, no matter what product you are selling. I also think it is a plausible idea that Russia would like to see an American administration weakened when it is unable to provide the proof of the “QUANTITY” of wmd’s that were the reasons for going to war. I don’t think any of the three of us would argue that Iraq never had wmds (given proof of Kurdish and Iranian Soldiers pictures); rather, how many did they have and where are they now. Am I wrong?
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/3/2/230625.shtml
"I am absolutely sure that Russian Spetsnatz units moved WMD out of Iraq before the war," stated John Shaw, the former deputy undersecretary for international technology security.
Interesting assertions in this article.
Throw enough shit against the wall...
True - unfortunately, that's the only thing they didn't do to this lady .
I've been to a ton of political rallies in my earlier years...and can honestly say, attendees with opposing view points were never treated like this.
Don't really want to go into the "why unions are a bad thing in today's economy" argument, as it was rather well flogged earlier in this thread....my point is more about the left talking about the First Amendment being in danger and then this lady being physically stripped of hers.
A sad day for the political process.
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Another one...I don't write 'em, I just read 'em:
"Patrick Fitzgerald's investigation took nearly two years, sent a reporter to jail, cost millions of dollars and preoccupied some of the White House's senior officials. The fruit it has now borne is the five-count indictment of I. Lewis 'Scooter' Libby, the vice president's Chief of Staff -- not for leaking the name of Valerie Plame to Robert Novak, which started this entire 'scandal,' but for contradictions between his testimony and the testimony of two or three reporters about what he told them, when he told them, and what words he used.
"...The indictment itself contains no evidence of a conspiracy, and Mr. Libby has not been accused of trying to cover up some high crime or misdemeanor by the Bush administration.
"...Mr. Fitzgerald has...thrust himself into what was, at bottom, a policy dispute between an elected administration and critics of the president's approach to the war on terror, who included parts of the permanent bureaucracy of the State Department and CIA. Unless Mr. Fitzgerald can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Mr. Libby was lying, and doing so for some nefarious purpose, this indictment looks like a case of criminalizing politics."
- Wall Street Journal, 10/29/05
Also - don't know about where y'all live, but gas and diesel prices have finally started to abate....just in time for Christmas.
"So, Exxon Mobil broke corporate records last week, posting a $9 billion profit on $100 billion in revenue in the third quarter. Right on cue, Democrats demanded that Washington confiscate some of those profits. Are they predictable or what?
"...Want to know who is making a bigger windfall than oil companies are making from the prices paid by the poor gasoline consumer? It's good old Uncle Sam and his 51 little brothers. Refining costs and profits combined make up about 15 percent of the cost of a gallon of gasoline, according to the U.S. Energy Department. State and local taxes make up almost double that, about 27 percent.
"State and local gas tax collections exceed oil industry profits by a large margin, according to a Tax Foundation study released last week. Since 1977, consumers have paid $1.34 trillion in gas taxes - more than twice the profits of all major U.S. Oil companies combined during that same period. Last year, state and federal gas taxes took in $58.4 billion. Major U.S. Oil company profits last year totaled $42.6 billion."
- New Hampshire Union Leader, 10/30/05
@Chief
Despicable treatment of the Arnold supporter....sad.
Have you read the transcript of Fitzgerald's press briefing yet?
If not, please do...non-partisan and I'll bet you'll come away with a much different perspective. That guy is top shelf and makes the current republican talking points almost laughable.
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Chief aye, we had him for a second, but then we lost him.
I recommend not posting commentaries you do not agree with, lest yee come off like an idiot.
If you think "Mr. Fitzgerald has...thrust himself into what was, at bottom, a policy dispute between an elected administration and critics of the president's approach to the war on terror" is a fair statement, watch the clip I linked to above and reconsider.
If yee don't support crap, don't post crap. The least we can do for one another is operate under the assumption that the shit we post is the shit we believe. If you post things you do not believe in and thus do not want to discuss, keep it to yourself, and dont' scrapbook the scrapbook.
http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2005/10/red-herrings-fitzgerald-and-libby.html
You think it's over?
Who wrote that op/ed piece? Not surprising it came from the protectors of the status quo, the WSJ.
The two posts....I dunno.
The more I think about it, the more I am convinced that this Plame thing is a rather personal pissing match between two career Beltway dumbasses that has gotten out of hand. Due to the polarization of the White House....i.e. You either like who's in there or you frigging despise him...was a match to it's gasoline. Although I initially thought it was actually a reach around by Wilson, it is becoming more apparent that it was someone in the Executive branch. That being said, I've never been convinced that Plame met the criteria of being covered by the statute, as she hadn't served abroad in the 5 years prior to the disclosure.
I don't personally have any issues with Fitzgerald...and I have no idea who authored it.
I am, however, in complete agreement with the second post....mainly on free market issues, secondarily from a federal tax burden standpoint.
@44
I have read the indictment, although it was last week. I agree that Fitzgerald handled his obligation in what was probably the most non-partisan manner an IC has carried out an investigation in a long time.
Yeeeeeeeep, that's right. It ain't over 'til the fat lady has sung...and waffles are served for all.
First up - Social Security.
I bring you the following from an email I rec'd earlier today. Slightly partisan, but I though "What the hey...what's not lately?"
SO:
Subject: Social Security
We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like
a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the
handle.--Winston Churchill
SOCIAL SECURITY:
Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the
Social Security (FICA) Program. He promised:
1.) That participation in the Program would be
completely voluntary,
2.) That the participants would only have to pay
1% of the first $1,400 of their annual incomes into
the Program,
3.) That the money the participants elected to
put into the Program would be deductible from their
income for tax purposes each year,
4.) That the money the participants put into the
independent "Trust Fund" rather than into the
General operating fund, and therefore, would only be
used to fund the Social Security Retirement Program,
and no other Government program, and,
5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees
would never be taxed as income.
Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and
are now receiving a Social Security check every
month -- and then finding that we are getting taxed
on 85% of the money we paid to the Federal
government to "put away," you may be interested in
the following:
Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from
the independent "Trust" fund and put it into the
General fund so that Congress could spend it?
A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the
Democratically-controlled House and Senate.
Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax
deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?
A: The Democratic Party.
Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social
Security annuities?
A: The Democratic Party, with Al Gore casting the
"tie-breaking" deciding vote as President of the
Senate, while he was Vice President of the U.S.
Q: Which Political Party decided to start giving
annuity payments to immigrants?
MY FAVORITE :
A: That's right! Jimmy Carter and the Democratic
Party. Immigrants moved into this country, and at
age 65, began to receive SSI Social Security
payments! The Democratic Party gave these payments
to them, even though they never paid a dime into it!
Then, after doing all this lying and thieving and
violation of the original contract (FICA), the
Democrats turn around and tell you that the
Republicans want to take your Social Security away!
And the worst part about it is, uninformed citizens
believe it!
I haven't had a chance to fact check yet - I'm sure someone will. I deleted the "pass this on" part of the email.
Well? Agree? Disagree?