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This is just so obvious I just HAD to point this out. This is taken from the "hard right rudder" link posted above by "da JJ":
Since Kerry's defeat, some Democrats have urged that the party adopt a political strategy more like one pursued by Bush and his senior adviser, Karl Rove -- which emphasized robust turnout of the party base rather than relentless, Clinton-style tending to "swing voters."
But Galston and Kamarck, both of whom served in the Clinton White House, said there are simply not enough left-leaning voters to make this a workable strategy . In one of their more potentially controversial findings, the authors argue that the rising numbers and influence of well-educated, socially liberal voters in the Democratic Party are pulling the party further from most Americans.
Gee.....you think maybe they picked up on the "there are simply not enough left-leaning voters to make this a workable strategy" factoid when the Dems started losing elections?
@ Flea
I need to go and find what caused me to say that - may be tonight doing it (leaving work in a few).
@ JJ
You're a helluva mariner....
Thankee, Skipper.
Too good to pass up mentioning these two:
Second, can you believe that Howard Dean is still around after this hoof in mouth on MSNBC. I heard it. I heard it and I still don't believe it.
Howard is asked, "Will Bush hide Harriet Miers views behind executive privilege?"
DEAN: Well, certainly the president can claim executive privilege. But in the this case, I think with a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court, you can't play, you know, hide the salami , or whatever it's called. He's got to go out there and say something about this woman who's going to a 20 or 30-year appointment, a 20 or 30-year appointment to influence America. We deserve to know something about her.
Think he lost the Aussie vote anyway.
@ Bennett, the ill-conceived part of his quote was not qualifying his repeat of the Freakonomics theory at all . Just, I admit, dumb. He should have said white babies. Since statistics would have stood him better. But never mind, let the wind fill the sails and let us, as a nation, sail on and leave the flotsam float.
Last edited: Saturday, October 08, 2005 at 8:06:36 PM
Hide the salami = abort black babies
(if you're keeping score at home.)
@JJ
What is it with you and other right neocons that you keep trying to tie 2 unrelated events into a conclusion that has nothing to do with either one?
Know what will reduce crime? Some logical thinking to address the causes.
But maybe it's because the sky is blue. No, it's because grass is green. Let's stop watering it an kill all the grass.
Or maybe Bennett's a bigot. Oh wait... That one is true...
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Trying to tie 2 unrelated events into a conclusion
In the context of Bill Bennett's comments what is the meaning of his conclusion: "So these far-out, these far-reaching, extensive extrapolations are, I think, tricky."? Please don't spew the party line, read the full context of the original interchange between Bill and the Caller, and draw your own conclusions.
But you probably won't. So I will paraphrase my take.
Caller: Hey stop abortion because it's killing social security.
Bennett: I read a book that says we should keep abortion 'cause it's lowering crime.
Caller: I don't agree.
Bennett: Neither do I, but your argument is just as stupid.
Meh, that's how I read it in context and it ironically dovetailed well with flea's comments... Do I get the `tally ho independent thinker` award, even if I didn't come to the same conclusion as the ho?
Meanwhile, in other parts of the world:
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/10/09/D8D4HSV80.html
http://reuters.myway.com/article/20051009/2005-10-09T070953Z_01_DIT752882_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-WEATHER-STAN-DC.html
Well, I heard the radio segment, saw him repeat what he said on TV, and read the transcript. Let me paraphrase it correctly for you and include exactly what he said.
Caller: I don't really trust or understand the arguments for or against abortions.
Bennett: Neither do I.
But I do know that it's true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that were your sole purpose, you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down. That would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down. So these far-out, these far-reaching, extensive extrapolations are, I think, tricky.
Fleabiscuit: Racist ass!
What is it with you and other right neocons that you keep trying to tie 2 unrelated events into a conclusion that has nothing to do with either one?
Crawl back under your rock.
BTW; feel free to quote me out of context.
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Last edited: Sunday, October 09, 2005 at 5:52:42 PM
The reiteration is rather damning. Aborting all babies of every color would reduce crime as well, but he didn't really suggest white babies so much.
Notice how he didn't connect class and crime, or culture and crime, but RACE and crime. Typical rightie thinking.
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You know......the only time I hear race and crime being referenced is by liberals....and the occasional NAACP press conference (well that's actually race and prison population).
I think Republican's stance on that issue is one of those urban legends....kinda like all liberals are socialists.
Am I the only one that read 56's post word for word? The guy was freaking making a reference to someone else's theory.
Of course....Bennett's on the liberal menu today...so I understand why it's being eaten like it's filet mignon.
By the way - has anyone heard from Cindy lately?
"...... That would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do...."
Aim't but one conclusion to draw from that line...and it ain't racism, bigotry, or hatred.
The hate in this issue is flowing from the left.
Fellas - this dog ain't gonna hunt. Meanwhile, GW's sliding y'all the high hard one with his latest SCOTUS pick. He actually has the DEMS DEFENDING HER.
Talk about political 3 card monty......
"...... That would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do....""But I do know that it's true..."
Meanwhile, GW's sliding y'all the high hard one with his latest SCOTUS pick. He actually has the DEMS DEFENDING HER.
It's OK because W won the majority after all.
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On the bennett thing...there is certainly enough racism in both parties to go around. The democrats don't hold enough moral high ground to keep beating this gong. My two bits
Chief, I think they're defending her, those that are, to give bush just the amount of rope he needs to hang himself in front of the social conservatives.
She's not the best choice, but that's not why conservatives hate her. They wanted to have an ideological fight, and bush took the wind out of their sales...i quote a blogger:
"Conservatives don't want to remain in the closet, failing to realize that Bush and Rove use code (when speaking to the religious right) for a reason. If the broad American public realized what Bush and the Republicans were truly about they would be decimated at the ballot box. Rove knows what he's doing, but movement conservatives and evangelicals don't care anymore. They want their radical agenda shouted from the rooftops, celebrated, rubbed into the faces of liberals." the guy at dailykos hit that nail on the head.
Rove and bush speak in code because they know the wing-nuttiest republicans scare the hell out of most americans. The wingers, though, want pay-back for helping bush into office. But, a recently humbled bush/rove duo know its political suicide to associate the now wounded party too closely with these throw-backs at this time. Now what? Now we watch the fissure in social vs. Traditional republicans tear the gop into halves I guess, and frankly...hope. Which would be the end of the GOP. The only way they've been able to get the votes is through this union. The GOP better hurry up and get some good ol fashioned hate legislation on the ballots for 06 to throw the knuckle walkers a bone. Not enough to play the terror card after bush played it into the ground while simultaneously making the world a less safe place. I think the up coming elections will center more on domestic programs, where the GOP has really, nothing at all to say. Hard to blame deficits, tax cuts for the wealthy, increasing poverty, and failing programs on al quaeda. But I'm sure they'll try. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/09/AR2005100901332_pf.html
So add the credibility gap to the growing schism in the GOP...smelling like trouble for your guys unless you can get the brain-dead religious zealots back into the fold. You guys know the recipe,(two parts homophobia, one part guns, one part "family values") so you have a good chance. Plus, you've written the book on voter disenfranchizement, so...there's always that.
Nice company you keep!
Last edited: Monday, October 10, 2005 at 11:21:59 AM
OK Stink... I'd been dining on bulldog when that idiot Bennett made his asinine remarks. My jaw was set on him and wasn't about to let loose. I'll release now.
But, his statement was so totally non-sequitur I can't believe anyone could try to make some sense of it. There was no sense in it. Had the DS just come clean and admitted to being a total ass and said he was sorry the story would have died a quicker death.
My jaw was locked for another reason. We all can look back and wish we hadn't behaved in a certain manor or said something at one time or another. But I think the times I regret the most are those times when I didn't speak up when I should have.
Enough said on this subject for me...
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Had the DS just come clean and admitted to being a total ass and said he was sorry the story would have died a quicker death.
I agree with you on that - it was a really idiotic theory to quote. He should have played his "I'm a dip-shit....sorry" card.
@ Stinky
It's funny you should mention a party split....I would love to see a centrist third party come into play and take hold.
Unfortunately....the last time that happened we got Jesse "The Body" Ventura......
Flea: check!
Chief:" It's funny you should mention a party split....I would love to see a centrist third party come into play and take hold" check!
Or a fourth, or fifth party.
in the mean time, I'd settle for a return to some vestige of democracy...
In the mean time, I'd settle for a return to some vestige of democracy...
Unfortunately....the last time that happened we got Jesse "The Body" Ventura......
Nicely said, 56.
Freakonomics was written by a couple of economists/statisticians. About abortion and the crime rate, they note that the crime rate started to go down about the same time that abortion started up with Roe vs. Wade.
For those skeptical, they further note that the crime rate started going down at the same rate in states that OK'd abortion prior to Roe vs Wade.
Their odd conclusion was that "low-impulse" single women -- white, black, Hispanic, or green -- are getting most of the abortions in this country. Their offspring are terminated by abortion instead of growing up as similar low-impulse problems who commit crime.
Like that? Bennett thought it was not so bright either. See his quote.
Last edited: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 at 11:44:32 AM
Ah, Chief.
We have yet to talk about Compassionate Conservativism.
Or, how to spend money wrecklessly and swamp the boat again with big government. Shall we?
First, however, let's talk about Harriet Miers birthday cards to GW. What scandal! To tell someone that they are "the best govenor of Texas ever" and I hope your daughters know that you are "kewl"!
Totally rad.
BTW, how do you choose your car mechanic? Your cousin's best friend, Billy Bob?
Personally, I choose mechanics who despise the concept of evolution, deny that global warming exists, espouse a doctrine of pre-emptive war, advocate pro-corporate policy, shift tax burden to the middle class, and don't really care about whether they fix my car or not because jesus is coming down soon to punish all the non-believers and reward his flock with eternal back rubs and soft music in the great hereafter.
Don't you?
All the qualities of great mechanics. Is that your point about judges, too?
BTW: conservatives...where was your Miers-like indignation when bush was appointing other unqualifed cronies to positions of influence? Something smells rotten here. And here it is: your objections aren't related to how qualified she is, but rather...how seeming moderate she appears.
Otherwise, you would have gotten your panties in a twist about Fema and brown, or countless other appointments.
Last edited: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 at 12:24:06 PM
Brown was great in practice - he just sucked in the game.
So, you're defending the practice of cronyism?
And who would've thunk that the president of the arabian horse association would have "sucked in the game"?
great in practice? In horse practice? Or emergency management practice?
Your objections aren't related to how qualified she is, but rather...how seeming moderate she appears.
Hammer hits nail. But, I'm just happy to see them angry, at last.
JJ, and the rest of his conservative, fundamentalist friends, have been propping up this failed presidency for post after post after post...and just got sold out by Bush...AGAIN.
They're mad because they were sold on this being their nomination. They were sold on a promise of an openly Scalia- or Thomas-like justice. They were sold on the concept of a celebratory debate on the proper method of interpreting the constitution. They were sold on visions of setting off fireworks and dancing in the streets with middle-finger raised at us liberals...thumbing their noses at us diversity mongers.
Ain't that right, guys? You're mad because you didn't get what you were sold.
Recall, however, that you were also sold on WMDs. You were sold on a return of integrity in the White House. You were sold on promises of a smaller government. You were sold on increased security for our homeland.
Now Bush is selling you on Miers as a legal conservative, with no real independent proof, and asking you to buy on trust.
And finally....finally....you're a little hesitant to go along.
In sales, we call you a "sucker".
How long until the other bait and switches make you angry?
Last edited: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 at 3:08:14 PM
"Horse practice?"
ROFL
:)
as the fo says, it do beg a question or two. It really do. Now if you excuse me, I gotta get back to work practice.
Recent natural disasters point to return of Jesus Christ: US evangelist Robertson
Devout Christians believe that the "last days" will be marked by political and geological upheaval, and Roberts said recent events show that those days might have arrived.
Citing scripture from the Bible, the conservative Christian broadcaster said the latter days would be marked by "the birth pangs of a new order, and for anybody who knows what it's like to have a wife going in labor, you know how these labor pains begin to
As I was reading this tidbit, I was reminded of giambattista vico...
Vico suggested study of tradition, mythology and language as methods for investigating history. He is believed to be the pioneer of ethnology. The historical life follows similar pattern — although not in details — in every nation, according to Vico. The first humans thought in mythical terms, universali fantastici or poetic characters. All nations begin by fantasia, the power of imagination and the age of gods which are needed to comprehend the world. After that, there comes a second age in which fantasia is used to form social institutions and heroes are used to inspire moral virtues. The third and final age is the age of rationality, in which humanity declines into barbarie della reflessione — barbarism of reflection. According to Vico, this is a cycle — gods, heroes and humans — which repeats itself within the world of nations, forming storia ideale eterna — ideal eternal history.
Wikipedia
I can't figure out if the religious right is stuck in stage one, or stage two. In any event, its apparent that vico had their number way back some 250 years ago. And he was a christian.
Now people who don't understand the concepts behind plate techtonics -- or worse, not just misunderstand, but badly misinterpret events in the natural world -- want to control the highest court in the nation. If there is one place where reason should reign supreme, it seems to me to be the court house. No room for neolithic misinterpretations by cultural knuckle-walkers like robertson and his ilk.
What century is this again? Tell me you don't think its raining because god is crying...how can a christian italian three centuries past be so much wiser than a considerable percentage of contemporary americans?
Interesting. Reflecting on these discussions, or in anticipating responses from you conservatives, I'm always struck by two things: just how much you use reason to construct or preserve unreasonable positions; and how different we truly are.
And here's what I wish: that the south would have won its GD war so I wouldn't be held hostage to what are essentially southern ideas.
Because most of the wingers are from the south. As a civilization, the south as a whole is very distinctly different from the rest of the civilized world, whereas the coasts' ideas of governance and society don't seem that disparate from the rest of western civilization.
While the majority of the civilized world appears to look to worldy solutions to its problems, you conservatives just keep going back to your ancient beliefs, just as a devout muslim would. When trying to understand the 21st century, you defer judgement to primitve minds of a group of peasants 3000 years past dead. These folks werent bad people, but they had a primitive understanding of their natural surroundings. Heaps of knowledge have been accumulated since their passing. Whole sciences have been developed. Yet, you guys keep defering to them.
So, I wish you guys had won, so you could have your own theocracy all to yourselves. And we all could keep moving along in the realm of the modern, trying to figure out solutions based on the accumulation of experience in the real world.
And you would all just be curious throw-backs. Not the anti-modernist threats that you are to democracy.
Brown was great in practice - he just sucked in the game.
"......"I have overseen over 150 presidentially declared disasters. I know what I am doing. And I think I do a pretty darn good job of it," Brown said......"
^ This would be the practice I am referring to.
The game...aka "the big game"...would be the events of Katrina.
Sorry - I probably should have written my comment a little more 'splainingly.
...Tell me you don't think its raining because god is crying...
Actually, you are quite mistaken. Us neocon right wing nuts only believe in that when it's raining on a Red State. We like to think he's taking a whiz on the Blue ones.
Also - nice theory on southern politics...if you can somehow figure out how to get Rand McNally to fit the Rust Belt and the plains states south of the Mason Dixon...it might actually make Michael Moore's next movie.
:)
LOL! Michael moore. He's fat.
Thomas franks already figured out how the midwest fits into my southern states dealy.
Michael moore! He's ugly.
Hey hey hey, let the boy ask some questions and u guys answer....
im only 22 and why da hell am I paying for other peoples SS benefits????
just cuz bush admin. Screwed up???
instead of spending all that money on war why not invest into our own country???
How can I get away from paying for others ss benefits? Cuz I sure am not gonna receive them....
are all the republicans gonna give me my ss benefits when I grow old??
remember all of u republicans, if kerry would have won he could have saved MYYY SS benefits....somehow.. So please
answer my questions and only than reply to this post. Do not try to come up with ur own ideas to getback at me....thx
"on the 9th day, god made republicans to screw us"
by guju
Gujuboy aka apollo13... Plz answer them
@ Stink
Thought you'd like that
@ Guju
Good seeing you. I can answer all of your questions in one word: 47%.
Why is this such a poplular thread?
Dunno Joe - we're just in here "thanking Democrats".
Interesting things from Olbermann.
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Countdown-Nexus-Terror.wmv
Hey guju it's really easy to proselytize and wink an eye at the same time.
For instance, I got elected partly because I promised you a big fat income tax reduction. Kewl eh. (I'm winking to my buddies now.)
Oh, you still feeling the pain? I'm sorry (wink, wink). See, I gave those big fat income tax reductions. What's wrong with you? You a lazy bum?
You ain't working hard enough is all (wink, wink, these fools will never under stand that most of their taxes are paid for through "payroll" taxes and not "income" tax).
Now get to work! (wink, Let's see, how's my portfolio doing now? Oops! I mean my blind-trust...)
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BRUSSELS (Reuters) - A strain of bird flu that can be deadly for humans has spread from Asia to the fringes of Europe, the European Commission said on Thursday, warning countries to prepare for a potential pandemic.
EU Health and Consumer Protection chief Markos Kyprianou said a strain of bird flu found in Turkey had been identified as the same H5N1 virus that killed more than 60 people in Asia since 2003 and forced the slaughter of millions of birds.
The European Union's executive was also assuming that bird flu found in Romania was the same virulent strain, he said, though further tests are needed to confirm this.
"The virus found in Turkey is avian flu H5N1 high pathogenic virus," he told a news conference. "It's true that scientists caution us and warn us that there will be a pandemic."
Experts fear H5N1 could mutate into a virus which spreads easily among humans, possibly killing millions of people.
Jesus is just around the corner..."so be good, for goodness sake! Whoa! Somebody's comin'!" ;)
Rabbit: is that irony? Did you not ready my rant above? Or is this ironic?
but thanks for helping me make my points.
1. Misinterpretation of natural events. The problem of conflating natural events with the intentions of gods is it doesn't lead to positive change. Bird flu can be contained or reduced by changing farming practices. In some cases, science can come through to provide vacines to protect us. But interpreting avian flu as a sign of the rapture is very stage two on the vico scale. Maybe even stage one. Its a very neolithic practice, more befitting our loin-clothed, slope-headed forefathers.
2. The virus(es) of the avian flu are in-your-face evidence of...get this...evolution. Constant mutation is making them more and more deadly. And: scientists have learned more and more about the behaviors of these viruses because they haven't surrendered their study of the natural world to the realm of the unknown mysteries of god..., or stated more clearly, aren't proponents of "intelligent design" but of "scientific method."
And: if this nation continues to "get its god on" like you on the religious reich want us to, well, then we might as well all believe that earthquakes, global warming et al are all signs of an unhappy god coming down to kill all our babies, for all the good we will be able to do about it. Devest yourselves of reason at your own expense.
Yes, stink, that post of mine was just for you so you could continue your rant. Besides, if you wanna blame someone, blame Budda. He's the main kingpin over where H5N1 is getting its game on (surely you know that) and I think the loin-cloth is still pretty popular in those regions as well.
Well thanks for being my straight man.
Continuation of rant (with segue): in buddaland, they don't blame the budda for anything. Not that I'm an expert, but I do believe acceptance of fate is a big part of buddism. While they may misinterrpret events, I doubt they'd be inclined to blame a deity for disasters. I also doubt they have pat robertson type figures in safron robes interpreting catastrophes as signs of an angry budda or calling for the execution of heads of rival states or attacking queers or science.
Not a lot of agression out of the buddists generally. A bit more christian in the 'christ' sense than our christians, doncha think? I've lived in japan, where buddism is practiced (along side shintoism). Don't recall a lot of righteous indignation from buddists, or discussion about whether or not science and buddism were at odds, or whether or not judges where buddist enough, or whether or not global warming was caused by budda and not human activity.
Just not enough resentment built into buddism to give it that american flavor I guess. Hard to get all morally righteous and pissed off if you're a buddist.
Let's see...
1) - Even if I interpret the Avian Flu as a sign that the end is near, it doesn't mean I'm opposed to "positive change". Of course I want to see steps taken to respond to the threat, much less discover a cure and see as many people "saved" as possible.
2) - So, Avian gets better at what it does, its still a flu virus. When the Avian Flu mutates into a amoeba, call me. Until then I think you're talking about micro-evolution, those little adaptive changes that we all enjoy and no creationist I've read opposes.
You know, sometimes I wonder about your spin and the Christian spin as well. If you remember, Jesus talked about bad things happening near the end, but I don't remember him assigning an interpretation to them other than "the end is near". I started a thread on this concept awhile back, but no one understood where I was coming from. Remember in Revelation the moon being described as turning to blood? Perhaps that's just how it looked to John, but presently we see it as the result of pollution in the atmosphere. Does that make the vision less acurate just because we understand the mechanism behind the apparent change in the look of the moon? I don't think so.
As far as Buddism goes, he was striving for enlightenment himself (as I understand it) and that path could take many forms. If you don't make it, you get another chance. So I can see why they would be a lot more relaxed about the whole situation and have a more "live and let live" attitude. Maybe that's why we don't see billions in aid from those guys going to earthquake victims since their attitude is, that's their fate?
I don't think charity is a measure of kindness. In my experience, money is the easiest thing to give.
In other news, http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Today-Russert-Bad-poll-Bush-10-13.mov
Very bad news, Elephant fans.
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stink, I need your email.
Last edited: Thursday, October 13, 2005 at 2:15:20 PM
@rabbit:
Aye perhpas.
And great response, and well reasoned. However, int it I see...once again...reason employed to bouy up unreason.
1). End times vs the possiblity of positive change. Irreconcilable concepts if you ask me.
2). Macro evolution rejected for 3000 year old fairy tales because...and this is the kicker...because the science of macro evolution isn't demostrable to the degree you need it to be.
Which of course begs the question: if you've rejected macro-evolution on the basis of rigorous scientific scrutiny, or even of logical scrutiny...how is it that that same scrutiny has spared some of the seemingly fantastic, miraculous happenings of the bible?
How do you explain this blatant incongruity, oh mr rabbit?
And rabbit, I'm not well versed biblically speaking to hang with you there. However, it seems to me 1) jesus speaks figuratively a lot of the time, and its possible "the end" is a figurative concept; 2) other people's "contribution" to the bible don't always seem to jibe with jesus'. Again, I'm not authority.
But read this way...it seems a lot less...contradictory lets say.
@ T ho: kjearly@ yahoo.com. Oh guddy, a message from the ho!
Last edited: Thursday, October 13, 2005 at 3:25:50 PM
T ho: why do americans hate america so much? Something like 60% of americans dissaprove of bush. Which means, they really hate america, right?
The Bush Admin is now learning what most of us learned in 2nd grade. Calling people names, you know, it's stupid. Also, two percent
of blacks continue to support Team Elephant. That's the uniter you elected, baby.
Worst. Asshats. Ever.
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What was I going to add...
Last edited: Thursday, October 13, 2005 at 2:39:49 PM
I'm not sure if 60% of americans hate america...but they clearly don't support our troops!
BTW, can we officially say 'welcome back, stink'? Or is this an extended, flirtatious tease that will inevitably lead to disappointment (similar to my wife taking a long bubble bath before coming to bed).
Last edited: Thursday, October 13, 2005 at 3:27:00 PM
Yes, nor do they support the war on terror! Does that mean 60% of americans support ossama bin laden? If so, its a good thing ossama didn't run for president! Why oh why do they hate us? And why do we hate us? Oh why oh why???
Howssat 44? Perrrrrrrhapples...
Last edited: Thursday, October 13, 2005 at 3:38:20 PM
Reminds me of when you're standing next to your friend, who's doing something he shouldn't be doing, and you point to him with a look on your face and raised shoulders that say, "I don't know this guy."
http://thisdividedstate.blogspot.com/2005/10/staged-conversation.html
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/The%20Situation-Room-staged-Iraq-troops-photo-op.mov
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4957379
Nice job, asshats.
At least 1984 was well-written.
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Yeeeeeeeep, that's right. It ain't over 'til the fat lady has sung...and waffles are served for all.
First up - Social Security.
I bring you the following from an email I rec'd earlier today. Slightly partisan, but I though "What the hey...what's not lately?"
SO:
Subject: Social Security
We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like
a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the
handle.--Winston Churchill
SOCIAL SECURITY:
Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the
Social Security (FICA) Program. He promised:
1.) That participation in the Program would be
completely voluntary,
2.) That the participants would only have to pay
1% of the first $1,400 of their annual incomes into
the Program,
3.) That the money the participants elected to
put into the Program would be deductible from their
income for tax purposes each year,
4.) That the money the participants put into the
independent "Trust Fund" rather than into the
General operating fund, and therefore, would only be
used to fund the Social Security Retirement Program,
and no other Government program, and,
5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees
would never be taxed as income.
Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and
are now receiving a Social Security check every
month -- and then finding that we are getting taxed
on 85% of the money we paid to the Federal
government to "put away," you may be interested in
the following:
Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from
the independent "Trust" fund and put it into the
General fund so that Congress could spend it?
A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the
Democratically-controlled House and Senate.
Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax
deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?
A: The Democratic Party.
Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social
Security annuities?
A: The Democratic Party, with Al Gore casting the
"tie-breaking" deciding vote as President of the
Senate, while he was Vice President of the U.S.
Q: Which Political Party decided to start giving
annuity payments to immigrants?
MY FAVORITE :
A: That's right! Jimmy Carter and the Democratic
Party. Immigrants moved into this country, and at
age 65, began to receive SSI Social Security
payments! The Democratic Party gave these payments
to them, even though they never paid a dime into it!
Then, after doing all this lying and thieving and
violation of the original contract (FICA), the
Democrats turn around and tell you that the
Republicans want to take your Social Security away!
And the worst part about it is, uninformed citizens
believe it!
I haven't had a chance to fact check yet - I'm sure someone will. I deleted the "pass this on" part of the email.
Well? Agree? Disagree?