This is a thread for discussing the pros and cons of the two computer types; PC's and MAC's.

My specialty is PC's. I know nothing about MAC's, and I myself have a few questions.

I'll start off by discussing the amount of computing power you get for the money. (It's all about the money anyway eh? ) Now, I've seen where I can get a PC with 3.2 GHz Celeron D processer 352, 512 mb of RAM, and an 120 Gig HD for $300. Yet, I see a mini-MAC with 1.42 GHz PowerPC G4 Processer, 512 mb RAM, and 80 Gig HD, for $350 on the same site. Both came with DVD/CD-RW combo drives... Now, the real question, why does the MAC cost so much more? It's specs are way off compared to the PC...

Yes.. And if not for that big Evil MICROSOFT.. Apple would have folded at a company long ago.. Funny how you need your competitor to bail you out financially isnt it.. Hehehe

Microsoft has every things for computer I wounder when another company is gonna take it down

Microsoft will fall as a company.. They all do.. Just a matter of time..

Ok here are 3 reasons why Windows blows Apple Into a dirty peice of junk apple pie
REASON #1

REASON #2

and...REASON #3

hehehe...need I saw anymore?

Fanboy ahoy!

^ I can say the same for just about every mac user.

Ok pc's kick ass everywhere and macs suck it ok happy ppl?

Cept for friends, allies ect.

Me want fleas X-Box! Does it come with iTunes?

^ OWNED.
Now, tell me: Have you ever had any of those annoying, game-stopping bursts of lag, just as you're about to score on your trusty Windows machine? If you haven't, you haven't played long enough. I''ve had several, and I'm fed up with Windows. Now, my gaming machine is a dual-boot system, using Windows XP and Xubuntu Linux 6.10RC. I've played TT on both, and it runs a TON smoother on Xubuntu. And if I need any Windows apps (iTunes, Paint, etc), I can call it up with Xubuntu's built-in virtualization software (Edgy RC only). Finally, does Windows have a 3D desktop? Xubuntu does. Wicked cool.
PS: If you only use Windows for Halo, I feel sorry for you. It's like getting a BMW and only driving it around your block. Linux has its own ports of most Windows games, like Quake and Doom (versions 4 and 3, respectively, and you'd better believe it).

MAC RULE

FANBOY SUCK

^ Is your dad's email addy still the same?...

You can send it to racersdad@ilovepopups.com.

Last edited: Monday, October 23, 2006 at 6:37:41 PM

This one is interesting:

How did this become a "bail out"? Microsoft paid Apple $150 million for non-voting stock and an agreement to put Internet Exploder on every new Mac for a few years. Apple had a billion or two in cash at the time.

Also even funnier is that Apple's Jobs suggested it my be a good way for MS to avoid the patent infringement lawsuit for their stolen QuickTime code. How funny is it that someone here puts up a firewall to block the evil QT not even realizing MS media player only functions because of it.

What are you talking about? 8o

WMPlayer runs fine while QuickTime is prevented from running.

@BlindCode.

About 10 years ago Apple was struggling as a company and was about to go belly up.. Microsoft LOANED.. GAVE.. Apple (ok.. Maybe it was Gates direct) 700 Million dollars. Microsoft did this so it would not be the only OS around and face Monopoly charges.. I think the amount you reference is more lately.. And yes you are correct Apple is doing MUCH better now.. But they were not years ago..

That loan/gift was reportedly $100 million (according to Jobs) but numerous figures float about as the precise details are secret and sealed. Since Apple didn't need the cash infusion one can only speculate that the best part of the deal for Apple was to greenmail MS into a PUBLIC commitment to continue to develop Office for Mac for another 5 years. IMHO another non-starter as far as the app goes (a decent enough word-processing app I suppose), no one I knows buys Macintosh because of Office (the Mac version being a lot nicer), but it did publicly endorse Apple as a company that planned to be around for awhile. Jobs had his own vision of where he was taking Apple and it hasn't been centered around iOfffice.

Greenmail? You can thank Apple's Quicktime for taking PC's past the choppy slide show MS had. You will find Quicktime code in your MS media player. I'll let you research how MS and Intel got it.

For you Windows only "Fanboys" :) consider that the normal workflow for the video you enjoy on the net usually starts at the camera, with Quicktime in the middle, and ends up in Real Player or MS media player. Go ahead, hate the ones you love :)

Actually. Flea.. You are talking about something different. Apple DID need the money at the point it was offered. Apple stock and sales we at all time lows. Jobs was just invited back to take over after being let go in a power struggle.. I believe we are talking 1996-98 time frame..

LOL.

What about the other video editiors? Avid Studio 9/Liquid, Adobe Premiere, Ulead VideoStudio, Sony Vega etc.

Nobody uses those. They're like video yugos.
edit, re: msft's buy-in. I think it was a perception move for apple. Msft investing and promising to make office for mac (with a tech kick-back) showed the public that aapl was not going to disappear, that the company was safe. Successful p.r. Move I say.

Last edited: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 at 9:39:27 AM

^ ROFL! Thanks for the laugh!

So you automatically assume that everyone uses quicktime?

Actually, what I find laughable, Racer, is that as a home-schooled kid with Mommy and Daddy by your side - perhaps helping you with more than just your grammar - that you can be so adamant about your opinions. You've obviously never worked a day in your life, so your interaction with working professionals is...hmmm...rather LIMITED shall we say?

I work in video - SD and most recently HDV - and I can't think of anyone I know that doesn't use the Final Cut Pro Production Suite on a Mac Platform using Quicktime. Oh sure, I USED TO KNOW a few cats who worked with Premiere on a PC, but that never lasted long as they couldn't handle the myriad of crashes and the inability to right-click on a clip and easily transition to a compositing or titling application and flip right back to the timeline when they were done. It was also a nightmare for them to share files since everyone had transitioned to a Mac.

Vegas? Ulead? You're joking right?

Only Avid has a small hold on the PC editing market as Avid Symphony and Composer had a stranglehold on the high-end broadcast market and the word "Avid" HAD it's allure.

Liquid's name has only been bandied about recently since it allowed 24P HDV acquisition - which Final Cut didn't have until very recently.

One only has to look at the Quicktime trailers on the Apple site to see how good a codec H.264 really is. There is absolutely no comparison to WMV, but since many PC uses can't install QT7, they have really don't know the difference.

Whoever stated way back that one should find out first what they want their comp to do and then go from there, is dead on. I have no qualms whatsoever with Linux or Windows users, if it suits their specific needs. But, in the WORKING world - where time and ease of use IS money - I find it extremely difficult to be convinced by kids that one platform is better than the other.

MACs RULE

LOL, then Jangles dropped in .
The one to the left of J is Racer, on the right is Player :)

Love you J.

Apple has wrapped so many outstanding codecs in QuickTime it's nuts. The 30 bucks QTPro cost me is one the best software purchases I've ever made. Lots of fun.

Also, if you don't do Podcasts you're gay.

BTW doc, no, I was spot on. You're time/story/fact confused.
Still can't believe there are those who don't know I never lie and am never wrong.

Apparently I'm gay then.

We still love you man. Besides that techno-gayness truly is a lifestyle choice easily cured by owning a Mac and iPod.

No thanks, I think I'll stick with my linux PC and GP2X.

Last edited: Monday, October 30, 2006 at 4:24:50 PM

JANGLES KARATE CHOP!

Hmmm things getting a touch more interesting for linux

http://www.oracle.com/technologies/linux/index.html

I think with Oracle in the game its going to bring the competition up a notch. Still has a long way to go, but will be intersting to see what they do.

It's nice that Oracle could start competing a bit more with Windows, but I hate the idea of charging money for Linux.

Last edited: Friday, October 27, 2006 at 1:14:20 PM

Wtf linux is almsot just like windows cant the master chiefs and the penguins unit to throw the rotten apples with there nasty worms away>?

Ummm no, linux is a LOT closer to macs than widows.

Linux and Windows are copies of Mac.

Edit: I know everyone likes ignoring my posts.... And I keep rambling about how AWESOME Mac applications are, but I just had to point one more thing out:

Look at some of the "Quicktime" moves that they provide showing some of the power this stuff contains... I am totaly impressed on so many levels.... Have you ever seen a program like this made for a PC? I think not... This truly explains why apple is so great. Its quality over popularity guys. And we all know which is which.

Last edited: Friday, October 27, 2006 at 9:39:02 PM

Geez, from Macs wiki

Ever see darwin? http://developer.apple.com/opensource/index.html

Im a photographer and an avid mac fan. While aperture may have plenty of bells and whistles I remain completely unimpressed with that program. Essentially its a jazzed up work flow application. Photoshop combined with my cameras native file viewer utility/raw processing are still essential, basically aperture has brought virtually nothing meaningful to the table.

As far as the mac vs pc debate...here is my 2 cents....

Existing in the creative feild I have noticed 1 major thing....no one serious about their creative work wastes their time w/ pc's. Its all mac. Those who do own pc's use them for billing usually because their records go so far back that they avoid the hassle of trying to transfer the information over to their macs. Any time spent on the pc is generally accompanied by cursing.

I do work with one studio that runs pcs and I can tell you that EVERY job I go on with their equipement is bogged down with crashes and incompatabilty issues or software failures of various degrees. I dread those jobs because to me its the epitamy of amature hour working on a pc. Every other job I work on is via the mac platform and there is rarely an issue. When one does occur it is minor and easily fixed (ie making more space on hd or closing down misc apps).

Now I dont proclaim to understand the inner workins of any computer but I have found that in my profession the ease of use and reliability of a mac is required. They are worth every penny paid to avoid the embarrassing mishaps the pc offers when a client is waiting impatiently over your shoulder.

As far as which platform plays which games....i could care less. I have my TT what else matters?

^ Amen, brother!! AYHAYAYHAYYYYYYHAAYYYYYYMENNNNnnnnnnn!!!

I Love My Mac

Need I say more?

I finally figured out why it is so pointless to argue with Mac users.

...Because they haven''t heard of Compiz? Or because they're all fanboys/girls? Windows is a Mac rip-off, sure (seen Vista's equivalent of Exposee?), but Macs and Linux both fork from Unix, which explains their security. We just made our own kernel/window system.

@Player:

I find it very naive for you to say that, considering almost every one of us who has made an argument biased towards Mac feels the same way about how stubborn you are with your windows machine. But now I'm thinking that if it makes you happy to use that crappier computer than be my guest... You obviously find something worth while about it.

And if you want to bring up Vista.... Leopard knocks it out of the ball park, and don't even argue.

I'd like to ask, how many of you PC users have spent a good enough time on a Mac for day to day chores (I mean honestly) and work and still think going back to a windows machine kept you completely content? (took my dad about 2 monthes to transition, and now he HATES windows machines). If you did, who cares, but I'm just curious... And be honest people.

@Ao1:

Have you made your decision yet? :)

Last edited: Saturday, October 28, 2006 at 9:46:48 AM

Player36 uses Linux now. Xubuntu, like me. :) Happy now?

Canned, almost every Mac users who has posted here has either:

A. Made a pointless comment. Examples: Big Papa, Nightmare, jangles
b. Gloated about the supposedly amazing multimedia applications and then just said "it's better" or "it's easier".

Ill add this to the fray....

I teach a digital photography course in which 95% of the students are pc users who have no experience on a mac. We only use macs at my college and by mid semester about 70% convert to macs. This repeats itself each semester three times a year.

This of course is a small sample of individuals but a telling observation non-the-less.

Well let me add a story then...

According to a couple teachers at my school, the Macs in the labs crash about 3 times as much as the PCs.

In a court of law that would be considered hearsay. Lets keep it to 1st hand experience shall we?

Get real get some, he didn't say the PC's were ever turned on.

Okay get some, I managed to crash a G4 just by trying to open Firefox. I double-clicked the icon and it didn't open, so I double-clicked it again and the computer froze.