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No thanks, I think I'll stick with my linux PC and GP2X.
Last edited: Monday, October 30, 2006 at 4:24:50 PM
JANGLES KARATE CHOP!
Hmmm things getting a touch more interesting for linux
http://www.oracle.com/technologies/linux/index.html
I think with Oracle in the game its going to bring the competition up a notch. Still has a long way to go, but will be intersting to see what they do.
It's nice that Oracle could start competing a bit more with Windows, but I hate the idea of charging money for Linux.
Last edited: Friday, October 27, 2006 at 1:14:20 PM
Wtf linux is almsot just like windows cant the master chiefs and the penguins unit to throw the rotten apples with there nasty worms away>?
With the Ment@lity
of an angry Mob
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Ummm no, linux is a LOT closer to macs than widows.
Linux and Windows are copies of Mac.
Edit: I know everyone likes ignoring my posts.... And I keep rambling about how AWESOME Mac applications are, but I just had to point one more thing out:
Look at some of the "Quicktime" moves that they provide showing some of the power this stuff contains... I am totaly impressed on so many levels.... Have you ever seen a program like this made for a PC? I think not... This truly explains why apple is so great. Its quality over popularity guys. And we all know which is which.
Last edited: Friday, October 27, 2006 at 9:39:02 PM
Geez, from Macs wiki
Mac OS X brought Unix-style memory management and pre-emptive multitasking to the Mac platform. It is based on the Mach kernel and the BSD implementation of UNIX, which were incorporated into NeXTSTEP, the object-oriented operating system developed by Steve Jobs's NeXT company. The new memory management system allowed more programs to run at once and virtually eliminated the possibility of one program crashing another. It is also the second Macintosh operating system to include a command line (the first is the now-discontinued A/UX, which supported classic Mac OS applications on top of a UNIX kernel), although it is never seen unless the user launches a terminal emulator.
Ever see darwin? http://developer.apple.com/opensource/index.html
Im a photographer and an avid mac fan. While aperture may have plenty of bells and whistles I remain completely unimpressed with that program. Essentially its a jazzed up work flow application. Photoshop combined with my cameras native file viewer utility/raw processing are still essential, basically aperture has brought virtually nothing meaningful to the table.
As far as the mac vs pc debate...here is my 2 cents....
Existing in the creative feild I have noticed 1 major thing....no one serious about their creative work wastes their time w/ pc's. Its all mac. Those who do own pc's use them for billing usually because their records go so far back that they avoid the hassle of trying to transfer the information over to their macs. Any time spent on the pc is generally accompanied by cursing.
I do work with one studio that runs pcs and I can tell you that EVERY job I go on with their equipement is bogged down with crashes and incompatabilty issues or software failures of various degrees. I dread those jobs because to me its the epitamy of amature hour working on a pc. Every other job I work on is via the mac platform and there is rarely an issue. When one does occur it is minor and easily fixed (ie making more space on hd or closing down misc apps).
Now I dont proclaim to understand the inner workins of any computer but I have found that in my profession the ease of use and reliability of a mac is required. They are worth every penny paid to avoid the embarrassing mishaps the pc offers when a client is waiting impatiently over your shoulder.
As far as which platform plays which games....i could care less. I have my TT what else matters?
^ Amen, brother!! AYHAYAYHAYYYYYYHAAYYYYYYMENNNNnnnnnnn!!!
I finally figured out why it is so pointless to argue with Mac users.
...Because they haven''t heard of Compiz? Or because they're all fanboys/girls? Windows is a Mac rip-off, sure (seen Vista's equivalent of Exposee?), but Macs and Linux both fork from Unix, which explains their security. We just made our own kernel/window system.
@Player:
I find it very naive for you to say that, considering almost every one of us who has made an argument biased towards Mac feels the same way about how stubborn you are with your windows machine. But now I'm thinking that if it makes you happy to use that crappier computer than be my guest... You obviously find something worth while about it.
And if you want to bring up Vista.... Leopard knocks it out of the ball park, and don't even argue.
I'd like to ask, how many of you PC users have spent a good enough time on a Mac for day to day chores (I mean honestly) and work and still think going back to a windows machine kept you completely content? (took my dad about 2 monthes to transition, and now he HATES windows machines). If you did, who cares, but I'm just curious... And be honest people.
@Ao1:
Have you made your decision yet? :)
Last edited: Saturday, October 28, 2006 at 9:46:48 AM
Player36 uses Linux now. Xubuntu, like me. :) Happy now?
Canned, almost every Mac users who has posted here has either:
A. Made a pointless comment. Examples: Big Papa, Nightmare, jangles
b. Gloated about the supposedly amazing multimedia applications and then just said "it's better" or "it's easier".
Ill add this to the fray....
I teach a digital photography course in which 95% of the students are pc users who have no experience on a mac. We only use macs at my college and by mid semester about 70% convert to macs. This repeats itself each semester three times a year.
This of course is a small sample of individuals but a telling observation non-the-less.
Well let me add a story then...
According to a couple teachers at my school, the Macs in the labs crash about 3 times as much as the PCs.
In a court of law that would be considered hearsay. Lets keep it to 1st hand experience shall we?
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Edit comment:
Okay get some, I managed to crash a G4 just by trying to open Firefox. I double-clicked the icon and it didn't open, so I double-clicked it again and the computer froze.
Seriously, are you smokin' weed behind Mom's back again?
Player, are you even kidding me? I have had my Mac for over 3 years, and it hasn't crashed once!! I dropped it 5 ft onto a printer off a flimsy stand and it still didnt crash! Then, when I use Windows machines all they do is crash! Do you even know how hard it is to force quite something on a windows machine?? Takes like 5 years, then about 2 minutes later you get the send or dont send crap! On a mac, if you need for force quit an application , which is extremely rare, than its instantaneous, no doubt about it.
You know player, you aren't exactly on the good side of most the people I know in TT... And most those people are Vets and very respected, mild mannered people. Dazzle, who is a very smart grown man with a great head on his shoulders, hates you! Because you act like you know what your talking about but you don't! This has a lot to do with rollerball, but again is having a lot to do with your all around attitude. And here you are, talking about how most mac posts are irrelevant when you have some newbs talking about xBox.... Which has nothing to do with pcs, except that Microsoft made it...
Oh and also, If I were as skinny as you are, I wouldn't be so damn cocky... That is, unless you go around with your heavy tank all day long... :'(
Did you get your weed from those couple of teachers? Is your weed laced?
Last edited: Saturday, October 28, 2006 at 9:16:59 PM
My mac(s) hasn't crashed since the 90s.this is propaganda film. I reject it.
Mmmmmmmm...all this talk about weed - pass it over dude and don't hide behind your mom, she might want to try it out or she might be doing the same thing hiding behind your back and smoking. B)
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First off...this discussion should not be taken as an opportunity to trash an individual. Player...i have no qualms w you...in fact I do respect you. So nothing personal meant with my comments.
That being said...i think we are beyond g4's at this point. Lets not use outdated hardware as reference to the pros and cons arguement. I am surprised though as my g4 can still run relatively well despite its limited memory and processor (lets not mention the video card).
Apples to apples here I have still not yet heard a compelling arguement against macs (current models as in the last 3 years). Bring some first hand experience of to date models and im all ears. My experience remains steadfast...and its all macs.
Canned, I think it's hilarious that you're trying to insult me personally when we're arguing about computers.
Ok get some, compelling argument: flexibility, price. You can build a PC for quite a bit less than a comparable Mac. PCs are more flexible, especially in terms of hardware. What hardware can you upgrade on a Mac? You can basically upgrade anything on a PC.
@player:
Well thats great I'm glad you do too!
MacOS
They Cost So Mush Because Of Harder Scripting And The Programs That Are on Macs Work Beautifally
The programs work beautifally
it is meant to never be shut down, just put to sleep i wake up in the morning, click the mouse button, and presto! What I was working on the day before as I had left it
ThinkTanks works like when I get on rollerball my lag is 35% better than everyone elses i do try to get on a lot
scripting is quite hard, thats why programs in the long run are simple
you can have both on one machine my dad bought a thing called virtual PC its a PC on a mac, you switch between the systems at will. We did a side by side
comparison-MacOS rox!
yes im a girl and yes this is my anime crush
I think a better question is why would you purchase a PC that doesn't do what you want it to do?
As software advances, it becomes more demanding of resources.
If much beyond memory or storage if you upgrade a component you now have a state of the art component hooked up to less state of the art ones.
Yeah, but those "state of the art components" can make a huge difference. For example, if you are getting poor performance in games, getting a new video card could easily double your framerates. In many cases it is a complete waste to get a new computer.
As software advances, it becomes more demanding of resources.
True. I used to be able to run Fedora Core 1 with KDE on my laptop, with 3D gaming at a solid FPS (I don't have a 3D accelerator). But now, even Xubuntu Dapper with XFCE runs slowly.
I don't have a 3D acc.
I have a MacOS that said on the box "for all your gaming needs "
yes im a girl and yes this is my anime crush
@ Flea,
Lol... I know exactly what you did... Go to the store, customize your pro, and get all the extra stuff... One of my favorite things to do in my spare time :D
True enough, although if you were OK with the frame-rates to begin with... Eh
Well let's say you buy a Mac every two years like you say you do (which is a waste IMO, I would just upgrade my PC and it would be fine). Games from two years ago would be a lot easier on your two-year-old graphics card, but new games could be struggling. So wouldn't it be easier to just get a new card then buy a new computer?
Oh yeah, I forgot, Macs don't have games ;)
thats all there is to the mac. No other PC set. I know, I have one
Which one is better? You ask? THE MAC!
My brother has 10x exactally the games I do I counted, and I have 20. There are like 99,999,999,999,999,999,999, billion / a gogolplex out there(a gogollplex is like 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000) its really easy to update go to a button thing in the dropdown menu and select "uptade software" you wait 1 minuet, I timed it, and presto chango, you have an updated computer. My dad was loading his 1 mac to another took 1 hour, downloading microsoft office for mac took 5. Downloading it onto his virtual PC took 7. To uptade the disc, simply gently pry the back off, stick a new card in, put it back on. Somthing like that.
yes im a girl and yes this is my anime crush
Last edited: Monday, October 30, 2006 at 5:34:08 AM
Okay, who ever said you couldn't upgrade your mac? If you want to get the latest graphics card, all you'd have to do is open your mac (I've done it before) and replace the card! And I've had this iMac G5 single proccessor for 3 years and there is nooo problem AT ALL. Its 1.8ghz PowerPC G5 proccessor, 768 MB DDR SCRAM, and a GeForce FX 5200 with 64 MB from nVIDIA... Its worked great this whole time.... I actualy use it for wiFi as well... Its the base for the entire house connection.
But the power of the computer is not our point, its that macs are built to last longer and work better than pcs. Okay? Who here has a PC thats 5 years old that work well enough for use today... And who here has a 5 year old mac that works well today.... My money goes to more macs.... PCs get viruses, are slow, and have tons of glitches.
Get over yourself
Who here has a PC thats 5 years old that work well enough for use today
*Raises hand*
If you want to get the latest graphics card, all you'd have to do is open your mac (I've done it before) and replace the card!
Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that voids the warranty.
PCs get viruses, are slow, and have tons of glitches.
Viruses? Not if you run Linux, or Windows with good antivirus. Slow? Depends mainly on your hardware. PCs are much more flexible in terms of hardware. Glitches? Sure, basically everything has glitches. It all depends on what software you run. Which, again, PCs win in software flexibility.
And why has no Mac person mentioned anything about price?
PS: SCRAM? Lol I'm guessing that's a typo, but if not, what's scram?
Who here has a PC thats 5 years old that work well enough for use today
*Raises hand* Not only that, I have 4 of them. All of them can play thinktanks, run paint shop, browse the net, etc.
Player, it is impossible to argue with mac fanboys. Give up and let's get out of here.
Flea, I broke my "tech-gayness." I have now set up AmaroK to sync my GP2X with my music and download the Linux Action Show podcast to it.
Advice taken racer, I'll be bailing out.
Have the Mac(or is it for Linux?) user's ever tried this Mac on Linux? :
http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/23030
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Last edited: Monday, October 30, 2006 at 9:58:33 PM
Awww man he bailed out to soon for me to say he one macs suck and pcs rule! Ah well.
I kinda thinks its funny though that racer and player think we're being stubborn when they are also being stubborn. You guys are hypocrites
Not that this has to do with what is being talked about here but I found it interesting to read.
I myself do not know the least amount about a pc, mac, I just know I have a pc and I turn it on. Never had a problem so far.
http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS7886275455.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEAGmBRC1dc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUoQqL5qOw4
http://www.break.com/index/pcvsmac1.html
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Who here has a PC thats 5 years old that work well enough for use today
*also raises hand*
In fact, the machine I play TT with is 5 years old, runs Xubuntu Edgy like a l33t machine, and only has the graphics card upgraded (from a stock GeForce 2 to a GeForce 5200FX, and even that's not that recent). [EDIT: Forgot the RAM: Added a gig to the stock 256MB.] It runs the OS X screensaver (well, a Linux port of it, anyways) at 42 FPS, and GLXGears reports almost 2000 FPS. That's fine for gaming.
Last edited: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 at 12:50:50 PM
Who here has a PC thats 5 years old that that work well enough for use today
really is it up-to-date?
macs are dominating busness now like 80% of buisness userz own a mac
PC dominate cuz they are easy to script making them cheap yet the new new macs are just as easy yet run wonderfully better in my opinion. I have a PC keyboard on my MAC and I did not have to install the installer ting for MACS because this works so well and is compatible. So really WTP? Kthe virtual macs thing sux and is still impossibly slow by my opinion while macs are so fast running a virtual linux with a lot of memory, a virtual PC with a lot of memory, and a mac work SOOOO fast. So I vote
Republins - PC
democrats - linux
GREEN PARTY - (I like green party) MacOS!!!!
The MACs r so sleek even if it is outdates while PC r ugly and the flatscreens still have the seprate computer the MAC flatscreens r 1/2 an inch wide WITH NO OTHER PARTS! Just a moniter! I think that is quite cretibile so yeah.
yes im a girl and yes this is my anime crush
Really is it up-to-date?
Well, DUH. Otherwise, I wouldn't say it runs well enough, but since it can run the latest version of Ubuntu (released the 26th) with any upgrades the dev team throws at it, yeah, I'd say it's up-to-date.
I have a PC keyboard on my MAC and I did not have to install the installer ting for MACS because this works so well and is compatible.
You would be really screwed is your OS didn't detect your keyboard. Maybe that was a selling point 15 years ago.
Last edited: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 at 6:47:41 PM
Teenskye, you know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about computers.
Macs are dominating busness now like 80% of buisness userz own a mac
Oh my god this is the funniest shit I have heard all day.
Kthe virtual macs thing sux and is still impossibly slow by my opinion while macs are so fast running a virtual linux with a lot of memory , a virtual PC with a lot of memory , and a mac work SOOOO fast.
DOY you are emulating a full computer... Of cource computers need a LOT OF MEMORY to do it well. Mine has a gig of RAM and it can run Windows in VMWare perfectly under Linux. I do all my graphics with it.
The MACs r so sleek even if it is outdates while PC r ugly and the flatscreens still have the seprate computer the MAC flatscreens r 1/2 an inch wide WITH NO OTHER PARTS! Just a moniter! I think that is quite cretibile so yeah.
PCs are not always ugly. Look at This PC. Don't assume what you don't know. Some macs, generally the higher end ones, have towers seperate from the monitors. I give you Example A.
Learn to spell while you're at it.
This topic sucks arse. Everyone who posted in it sucks too. Even me. I am friggin' pissed.
Last edited: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 at 10:00:58 PM
^ Puberty?
Would it help to tell you Mac guys get laid more?
^
^ Puberty?
Been past that for a few months my friend.
Cool. Welcome to the golden years!
This is a thread for discussing the pros and cons of the two computer types; PC's and MAC's.
My specialty is PC's. I know nothing about MAC's, and I myself have a few questions.
I'll start off by discussing the amount of computing power you get for the money. (It's all about the money anyway eh? ) Now, I've seen where I can get a PC with 3.2 GHz Celeron D processer 352, 512 mb of RAM, and an 120 Gig HD for $300. Yet, I see a mini-MAC with 1.42 GHz PowerPC G4 Processer, 512 mb RAM, and 80 Gig HD, for $350 on the same site. Both came with DVD/CD-RW combo drives... Now, the real question, why does the MAC cost so much more? It's specs are way off compared to the PC...
Pass the popcorn...