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Anyone paying attention to this bullsh%t? Check this out:

A group of far-right Bush allies released an ugly and outrageous ad which claims that John Kerry faked his injuries, betrayed his troops, and "dishonored his country" in Vietnam. The ad features people who say "I served with John Kerry" (although they didn't) and who make numerous provably false accusations about Kerry's war record. It's one of the most vile tactics seen yet in Bush's ferociously negative campaign.

The "Swift Boat" ad is so far beyond the pale that even Senator John McCain, a Bush supporter, spoke out about it, calling it "dishonest and dishonorable." Yet despite Senator McCain's request that President Bush "specifically condemn" the ad, Bush refuses to say anything about it.

It's clear that the ad continues the tradition of Bush campaign dirty tricks. In a recent interview, Senator McCain noted that the ad "was the same kind of deal that was pulled on me" in 2000. McCain was referring to a vicious smear campaign -- which included race-baiting allegations that he had a black child our of wedlock -- run by close Bush allies in 2000. In fact, the same firm that ran some of the anti-McCain ads in 2000 produced the "Swift Boat" ad. And although the group claims to be independent of the Republican party, the group's funding mostly comes from a longtime Bush supporter who gave over $20,000 to his campaigns for Texas governor. Further, today it was announced that one of the subjects in the ad is a member of the Bush-Cheney campaign's veterans steering committee.

The "Swift Boat" campaign is a classical political hit job. But even before the ad went on the air, the Washington Post ran a piece discussing how President Bush is running the most negative presidential campaign in U.S. History. In an article titled "From Bush, Unprecedented Negativity," the Post quotes an expert who says that "there is more attack now on the Bush side against Kerry than you've historically had in the general-election period against either candidate."

Discussing the "Swift Boat" ad, Senator John McCain said, "I deplore this kind of politics." Nebraska Governor Mike Johanns (R) called the ad "trash" and even Pat Buchanan said "not a single charge is substantiated... I think the ad is wrong." But George Bush won't condemn it.

Jim Rassman, a Republican veteran who served under Kerry, recently wrote an opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal. He told the story of how Kerry saved his life. And he concluded with these words on the "Swift Boat" veterans: "[W]hen the noise and fog of their distortions and lies have cleared, a man who volunteered to serve his country, a man who showed up for duty when his country called, a man to whom the United States Navy awarded a Silver Star, a Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts, will stand tall and proud. Ultimately, the American people will judge these Swift Boat Veterans for Bush and their accusations. Americans are tired of smear campaigns against those who volunteered to wear the uniform.

Swift Boat Veterans for Bush should hang their heads in shame.

Sunday, August 22, 2004 at 9:18:28 AM

Sorry but I can't resist another...
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/14/opinion/14friedman.html

"By exploiting the emotions around 9/11, Mr. Bush took a far-right agenda on taxes, the environment and social issues -- for which he had no electoral mandate -- and drove it into a 9/12 world. In doing so, Mr. Bush made himself the most divisive and polarizing president in modern history."
-- Columnist Thomas Friedman, October 14.

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Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 6:26:16 PM

http://www.electoral-vote.com/info/political-humor.html
Good article fleab, very good article. I wonder how chief et al feel about it ( re: Sinclair ).
http://mirror.randomfoo.net/crossfire/stewart/Crossfire-20041015-John_Stewart--compressed.wmv

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Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 8:43:39 PM

More:

 

October 13, 2004

Hon. Ed Gillespie
Chairman
Republican National Committee
312 First Street, S.E.
Washington, D.C. 20003

Dear Ed:

In recent weeks, all over the country, the Republican Party has been engaged in systematic efforts to disenfranchise voters--to impose unlawful i.d. Requirements in New Mexico, to throw eligible voters off the rolls in Clark County Nevada and to deprive voters of their rights to vote a provisional ballot in Ohio, among other examples.

And the Republicans' excuse for these efforts? It's always about protecting the process from "voter fraud." In fact the AP reported on September 19th that President Bush expressed to Nevada Governor Kenny Guinn and Attorney General Brian Sandoval he was concerned about voter fraud in Clark County.

But just last night, the American people have learned that it is actually the Republicans who are engaging in voter fraud in Nevada, Oregon and potentially other states as well and in fact you are paying for it.

Press reports in Nevada disclosed that a Republican organization, "Voters Outreach for America" has been ripping up Democratic voter registration forms in that state. According to those same reports, on KLAS-TV, Channel 8, that group has been "largely, if not entirely, funded by the Republican National Committee." Indeed, a classified ad recruiting paid workers for "Voters Outreach" in Nevada carried the disclaimer, "Paid for by the RNC."

The Washoe County (Reno) Nevada voter registrar (who was identified as a Republican by Channel 8 News) has asked the FBI to investigate complaints of out of state groups submitting fraudulent voter registration forms and refusing to register anyone but Republicans.

And it is reported that this group has now moved its operations to Oregon, where the Secretary of State and Attorney General are already investigating allegations that a paid Republican canvasser was ordered to destroy forms turned in by Democrats.

In Oregon, "Voters Outreach", also known as "America Votes," has been linked to Sproul & Associates, a firm that has been paid some half a million dollars by the RNC.

Ed, there are only 20 days left to the election. Early vote starts in Nevada and Oregon over this weekend. We are deeply concerned these reports of Republican National Committee funded felonious activities in these states could serve to discourage all voters from voting because of concerns of problems with their ballot. Regardless of party or candidate, it is the civic and moral duty of both parties to encourage complete and full participation in the democratic process.

In the name of democracy, it is essential that you and the Republican National Committee proactively come forward to address this issue, especially since President Bush will be traveling to both of these states immediately following the debate. You can either let this burgeoning Republican scandal fester, or you can come clean with the American people by:

Giving the Election Officials in Nevada and Oregon, the press and the public answers to these questions immediately:

Why is the Republican National Committee funding an organization that is ripping up voter registration forms of Democrats?

Who's behind "Voters Outreach for America" and what is their link to Sproul & Associates?

How much has the RNC paid for "Voters Outreach" and similar groups to engage in voter registration?

Exactly what were these groups instructed to do about voters they registered who freely chose to register as Democrats?

Disclosing to Election officials, attorneys in Nevada and Oregon and press immediately, all documents, correspondence and invoices between the RNC and "Voters Outreach," Sproul and all other groups employed by the RNC to register voters;

Refusing to pay Sproul and any other groups engaged in GOP "registration activities" until all questions can be answered and information disclosed.

Voluntarily agreeing to make knowledgeable RNC officials available for depositions in the litigation being brought by the Democratic Party of Nevada seeking a remedy for the victims of Republican voter registration fraud in that state and any other state or party seeking relief based on RNC funded efforts.

Ed, please let me know right away whether you will agree to these steps which are essential to address the deep fears and concerns voters now have about Republican voter fraud.

Sincerely yours,

Terence R. McAuliffe
Chairman

 

Gross.If Bush wins, I will not at all be surprised if people start breaking shit.
Regardless of your political disposition, how could you WANT these people running your country? Under countless false premise, that which we possess and the intangibles, like "freedom," is being stolen from us and jammed into shareholder and ceo coffers. What's wrong with people? Why don't they see this? Reject the double speak and the bullshit already.

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Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 8:50:35 PM

My state may be getting its act together again. The State's two most important papers have both endorsed Kerry:

The Oregonian
http://www.oregonlive.com/campaigncentral/oregonian/opinion/index.ssf?/base/editorial/1097409458114160.xml

"When George W. Bush took office in a deeply divided nation, he promised to reach out to unite the country. If anything, he has helped make the rifts deeper. That may be his real failure as president.

John Kerry can do better."

&

The Register-Guard
http://www.registerguard.com/news/2004/10/17/ed.edit.kerry.1017.html
"Four years of President George W. Bush's leadership have left Americans fearful, divided, isolated and economically insecure. The Republican has not earned a second term. Voters should elect Democrat John Kerry on Nov. 2."

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Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 10:41:34 PM

@ Tally

Course my personal opinion about the Sinclair Broadcasting Group airing that "new" piece is a bit different from my favorite columnists.

I hope they do. No right leaning republican has the attention span to watch 90 minutes of that garbage anyway. For the moderate undecided who manages to watch it, it will open old wounds and give us a good comparison to how the current war in Iraq is so screwed up and who is to blame. It will open real dialog and expose the lies therein.

In short it will help the Democratic races. Bring it on Sinclair.

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Monday, October 18, 2004 at 12:26:07 AM

Ruce Bartlett, a domestic policy adviser to Ronald Reagan and a treasury official for the first President Bush, told me recently that ''if Bush wins, there will be a civil war in the Republican Party starting on Nov. 3.'' The nature of that conflict, as Bartlett sees it? Essentially, the same as the one raging across much of the world: a battle between modernists and fundamentalists, pragmatists and true believers, reason and religion.

''Just in the past few months,'' Bartlett said, ''I think a light has gone off for people who've spent time up close to Bush: that this instinct he's always talking about is this sort of weird, Messianic idea of what he thinks God has told him to do.'' Bartlett, a 53-year-old columnist and self-described libertarian Republican who has lately been a champion for traditional Republicans concerned about Bush's governance, went on to say: ''This is why George W. Bush is so clear-eyed about Al Qaeda and the Islamic fundamentalist enemy. He believes you have to kill them all. They can't be persuaded, that they're extremists, driven by a dark vision. He understands them, because he's just like them....
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/magazine/17BUSH.html?ex=1255665600&en=890a96189e162076&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland

Monday, October 18, 2004 at 3:01:58 PM
OM

 

 

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/ny-woelec1018,0,4438294.story?coll=ny-top-headlines
Brilliant.

 

Unbelievable. In the name of all that is good, I want to know what the hell Bush and his administration are smoking. What a wasted opportunity to make something good out of this mess.

Monday, October 18, 2004 at 3:03:46 PM

I believe they are smoking the old testament, OM.

 

Monday, October 18, 2004 at 8:09:56 PM

"''This is why he dispenses with people who confront him with inconvenient facts,'' Bartlett went on to say. ''He truly believes he's on a mission from God. Absolute faith like that overwhelms a need for analysis. The whole thing about faith is to believe things for which there is no empirical evidence.'' Bartlett paused, then said, ''But you can't run the world on faith.''

Theocracy.

That's why rabban is voting for him....what about the rest of you numb-nuts? Ready to turn your back on 600 years of human progress? This is a return to the dark ages...it is truly de-evolution.

 

Monday, October 18, 2004 at 8:20:17 PM

 

 

''if Bush wins, there will be a civil war in the Republican Party starting on Nov. 3.'

 

I'm also a bit worried about fracturing our nation even further. I'm most definitely secular but in this case I pray that our armed forces brothers and sisters would stand down...

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Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 1:26:47 PM

@ OM & Tally

Possibly they don't want troops from neighboring countries present in Iraq? I remember Muslim troops being offered before (during the days of the Governing Council) and it was rejected then too.

Power....check
Water.....check
Detergent....check
Issue.......check
Spin cycle on high....check

Control, this is FIDO - we are GO on launch.

Gee - wonder why the other time they were offered and rejected wasn't mentioned?

@ Flea

The same sentiment was prevalent in the Vietnam-era elections. WWWAaaaaaaaaiiiittt a minute - Kerry was a Vietnam protestor.....hmmmmmm. Maybe I'm onto something....

What was that? My Heinz ketchup bottle just started emanating a beeping noise....and all of a sudden there are a bunch of SUV's with Massachusetts plates coming in the driveway.

I wonder what they could wa

Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 4:58:53 PM

http://www.thetoiletonline.com/leaveit.htm
"Possibly they don't want troops from neighboring countries present in Iraq? I remember Muslim troops being offered before (during the days of the Governing Council) and it was rejected then too."
And the rest of your post, really:
It's come to this, Chief?

Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 5:44:42 PM

Just the facts bro. Just the facts. It's out there somewhere - check it out.

Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 7:25:44 PM

@ Stinky

From an email I received a few days ago - I have no idea as to it's historical or statistical accuracy:

 

At about the time our original 13 states adopted their new constitution, in the year 1787, Alexander Tyler (a Scottish history professor at The University of Edinborough) had this to say about "The Fall of The Athenian Republic" some 2,000 years prior.

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship."

"The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

From Bondage to spiritual faith;

From spiritual faith to great courage;

From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage."

Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the most recent Presidential election:

Population of counties won by:

Gore=3D127 million
Bush=3D143 million

Square miles of land won by:
Gore=3D580,000
Bush=3D2,2427,000

States won by:
Gore=3D19
Bush=3D29

Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by:
Gore=3D13.2
Bush=3D2.1

Professor Olson adds: In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the tax-paying citizens.... Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off government welfare..."

Olson believes the U.S. Is now somewhere between the "complacency and "apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy; with some 40 percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency"
phase.

 

 

Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 7:46:20 PM

OMG! What a load of bullshit!!! Didn't your bullshit meter hit the roof chief???

First of all, what relationship exists between the two pieces?

The first seems to say that we are heading for a collapse in fiscal policy? It implies that collapses in fiscal policy are definined as the govnt giving money away...presumibly, you equate this to liberals giving money to all their pet social projects...the reality is quite different. Our current, historical collapse of fiscal policy comes from tremendous tax give aways to the rich, and unprecidented levels of government borrowing. If anything, this formula condemns the bush administration....but then the piece wanders into christian mythology...

 

From Bondage to spiritual faith;

From spiritual faith to great courage;

From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage."

 

And convienently ignores all of pre-history, then early history, then classical history...picks up with christianity, and imagines that christianity leads to courage and freemarket capitalism...what a load of shit. What do you expect from a dress wearing, goat-piss smelling scotsman?

And then the next piece...what a mess. Demographic comparison between gore and bush's election conquests. Newsflash: gore won the urban vote, bush won the rural.

But your piece couches it in such a way as to imply two things: 1) bush's supporters represent the heartland, all that is good in america, 2) gore supporters are in an advanced condition of late capitalistic decadence.

Jesus, who the hell sent you that crap? Jerry falwell? Filter it next time. That crap excites only the initiated...and makes you seem like a right wing republican zealot...try for a little credibility here chief.

 

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Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 7:53:42 PM

@ All

You know, I have previously tried to avoid bringing outside thoughts...indirect schools of thought if you will...newsletters, etc....into this thread. But, since we're posting videos of two ferrets and Gary Busey making fun of Bush (which was quite funny by the way - un til I realized it was a rebuttal to a point I made about the Muslim troops presence in Iraq already being delcined), I figured "what the hell" and took the gloves off.

Here are some quotes from some folks from the other sie of the fence:

 

THE GALVESTON ALTERNATIVE

In 1981 Galveston County in Texas decided to remove county employees from the Social Security system. They replaced it with a county plan where every employee owned his own account. The tax structure was virtually the same as with Social Security. A percentage was taken from the employee's paycheck to fund the private plan, and the county matched that amount with a corresponding contribution.

Like Social Security, the Galveston plan offered a retirement, death and disability benefit. Today when a county worker retires in Galveston County his retirement income exceeds what he was making when he was retired! After privatization of the Galveston retirement plan people see their income go UP, not down when they retire.

So...why haven't more local governments done what Galveston County did? Because congress passed a law prohibiting it just two years later. Politicians need Social Security. John Kerry was illustrating that need in Florida over the weekend. He was telling wizened citizens that George Bush was going to take their Social Security away. He knows it's not true, but he also knows that these oldsters don't realize that...so frighten them to get their votes. The only plan the Democrats offer is fear, dishonesty and fraud.

- Talk show host Neal Boortz, 10/18/04

 

 

CLASS ACTION PAIN

Another note about ambulance chasing trial lawyers. I suffer from rheumatoid arthritis and am angry over the legal vultures circling over the Vioxx recall. There are ads all over attempting to recruit class action clients to use in reaping huge legal fees in their lawsuits against the makers of Vioxx. The drug was voluntarily recalled by its maker who has attempted to provide relief from the constant pain suffered by millions of arthritis suffers. The drug was approved by FDA, and no one set out to cheat the public.

It's exactly this type of legal harassment that discourages drug companies from developing new drugs to improve the lives of millions. Not one attorney has ever provided one hour of pain relief or saved one life from the ravages of cancer. It's high time that the laws regarding class action lawsuits be changed so that sometime during my life a drug company will be able to use their resources to develop new drugs rather than pay ambulance chasing attorneys. These greedy attorneys are having a very negative impact on my health and I am angry!

- News & Views reader Dick Horak of Spearfish, SD

 

 

CRUSH, KILL, DESTROY

I love that bit in every debate where John Kerry pledges to hunt down and kill the terrorists. You can see him thinking, Must remember to say 'kill' very loudly and in a deep voice. And sound as if I'm not gonna be some pantywaist president who uses special forces or unmanned drones. I'm gonna kill sorry, KILL 'em myself.

This is to dispel suspicions that in reality he would hunt down the terrorists and serve them with a subpoena, possibly from one of the less robust judicial systems, such as the Hague or Massachusetts, and possibly for mail fraud, if the whole mass murder thing looks like it won't stick.

- Columnist Mark Steyn

 

(This is quite interesting - I remember a few pages ago where someone posted in this very thread that Kerry's using the word "kill" was somewhat discomforting. I myself commented on his using it, as it was another example of Kerry's attempt to re-define himself as something that he's really not, due to his inability to sell "the original." )

Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 8:01:21 PM

That is the biggest load of Moose dung I ever did see. Do I have to drive down there myself and personally slap you silly, Chief? Jeez, and as if the daily spew from CNN wasn't churning my stomach enough.

Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 8:03:12 PM

@ stinky

I was actually just posting that to wake you up.

Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 8:03:14 PM

@ jangles

That's exactly how I feel when I see Gary Busey and a box of ferrets......

You're still welcome to come though - would love to play a round of golf (I'm sure you golf since you're Candadian). If you can't tell - I'm profiling.

Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 8:07:15 PM

Oh....well, it worked...btw its only 7:00 here...a gentle nudge would suffice...

 

Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 8:08:17 PM

ProfiTing did you say? Sure, I'd love the round of golf? You paying?

Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 8:10:11 PM

Quick question chief...how many vietnamese did bush kill in viet nam? I heard kerry blasted quite a few. Has a couple of medals for the killing that he has done.

What about your guy?

 

Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 8:12:24 PM

And another thing you "previously avoided bringing in outside thoughts"...you say. Now I see why. Well reasoned criticism is one thing, but that undigested ranting is quite another. As I said, it takes away your credibility. Give us something with some umph...a little george will, or sompin...

 

Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 8:17:38 PM

Morning Stink. I've also got a quick question. If the right wing conservatives of America are the only people IN THE WHOLE WORLD to like Bush, wouldn't it be in THEIR best (long-term) interest to get rid of him? Apparently, Prescott Bush's Nazi soul now lives in good ol' George W. And the words of Abraham Lincoln mean absolutely nothing.

 

Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 8:29:54 PM

 

 

It is shocking: The Bush administration is suppressing a CIA report on 9/11 until after the election, and this one names names. Although the report by the inspector general's office of the CIA was completed in June, it has not been made available to the congressional intelligence committees that mandated the study almost two years ago.

"It is infuriating that a report which shows that high-level people were not doing their jobs in a satisfactory manner before 9/11 is being suppressed," an intelligence official who has read the report told me, adding that "the report is potentially very embarrassing for the administration, because it makes it look like they weren't interested in terrorism before 9/11, or in holding people in the government responsible afterward."

When I asked about the report, Rep. Jane Harman (D-Venice), ranking Democratic member of the House Intelligence Committee, said she and committee Chairman Peter Hoekstra (R-Mich.) sent a letter 14 days ago asking for it to be delivered. "We believe that the CIA has been told not to distribute the report," she said. "We are very concerned."

 


From LAT. I can't wait for the assclowns to start burning documents.

Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 9:12:26 PM

Morning J...
the people who support bush...49% of america, are the only people in THE WORLD to support bush, and it follows that with so many people against him, that his supporters who view america's role in the world as one of leadership on certain ideas, cooperation with, and respect for other nations probably need to rethink their support of this clown.

Unfortuanately, a large % bush's supporters are religious zealots. They don't care about the rest of the world. All they know is that they are the chosen people.

They love the fact that our country is sliding toward becoming a christian theocracy.

 

Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 9:42:49 PM

@ Jangles

LOL - sure. I have a client that owns some courses in Myrtle Beach - shouldn't be a problem.

Kind of along the same lines as you last post - I was talking with a friend of mine in New York (probably more liberal than anyone here) and he made a statement that I thought made a lot of sense - "One would think that the Republicans would be voting for Kerry just to keep Hillary out for eight years!"

THAT would probably swing some Republicans.

@ Stinky

Sorry - kind of lost it for a minute - ala JJ. I'm back. Broke the keyboard though.

Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 9:50:55 PM

Lol -- JJ just snapped one day...has he ever come back? And that's a good a reason as any I've seen to vote for kerry.

That woman scares the b-jesus out of me. Opportunistic, special-interest serving, poll chasing pro-status quo democrat...just like he ol' man. Minus the smarts, charisma, and political savvy.

 

Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 10:05:50 PM

BTW, if bush wins again, I for one, am gonna break some shit...how bout you guys?

What should we break first?

 

Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 10:07:22 PM

So I was bored and did a quick perusal of the latest census figures, and correlated it with voting data from the 2000 election...

What I came up with is this

STUPID PEOPLE VOTED FOR BUSH

When compared by number of people in the state that have college degrees, 11 of the top 15 states voted for Gore. 9 out of 10 of the dumbest states voted for the monkey Bush.

POOR PEOPLE VOTED FOR BUSH

9 of the 10 poorest states supported the monkey Bush. 8 of the ten richest supported Gore.

Dumbass poor folks for bush

http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Products/Ranking/index.htm

 

Wednesday, October 20, 2004 at 6:16:09 AM

Oh, and then I correlated the states with the most churches per capita with the states that supported bush vs gore.

10 out of 10...no surprise there.

So, uneducated, poor, religious people supported bush over gore...go figure.

http://ext.nazarene.org/rcms/statenumbers.html

 

Wednesday, October 20, 2004 at 6:31:57 AM

Perhaps you'd like to drag them into the streets and have them shot? That way you could silence their voices and set your own man up, heck, set yourself up as our Grand Pooh-bah. Hail Saddam Stinky

Wednesday, October 20, 2004 at 11:42:05 AM
OM

Hehe. Nice one Rabby. But I've come to the conclusion as well that if this country votes Bush back into office, then American has finally become the land of dunbshits.

BTW Stinky, funny cartoons you posted in the other thread. Apparently, based on your "research", they seem to show the intelligence level of a great many Bush supporters, minus folks like Rabban and Chief. Well, and maybe JJ too. XD

Wednesday, October 20, 2004 at 12:42:20 PM

Interesting idea, stink, but I wonder what your analyses would look like on a county-by-county basis, since that's how voting records are maintained (people vote in sub-county precincts, but the county level is the most-local registration level).
I also have never gotten this image out of my head from 2000: http://www.usatoday.com/news/vote2000/cbc/map.htm . This version doesn't have quite the beauty and finess that a Dayton Daily News version had that showed a shading difference between "strongly for" and "barely for" (dark red/blue and light red/blue, respectively), but it still gets the point across.

THIS JUST IN: I found a map that does show shading for strength of victory, but the colors are reversed from normal (Gore = red, Bush = blue): http://nationalatlas.gov/el2000cm.html .

The binary map gives a good overview interpretation (New England, major cities, Indian reservations, Mississippi Delta, West Coast for Gore, etc.) but the shaded map shows a much more intriguing view of where the strong-victory pockets occur, the difference between the more populous eastern US (tended to be closer margins) and the western US (more lopsided results), etc.

Wednesday, October 20, 2004 at 1:22:40 PM

Wow! That is what I was searching for...thanks george.

BTW you couldn't tell when I posted that crap above, but my tongue was in my cheek. Bush won the rural vote. Gore won the urban...

the conconclusion my post attempts to make is false. demographically speaking, people living in rural areas tend to be more religious, often have less formal education, and aren't making the big bucks. Doesn't really matter what state you're in.

I was just being an ass...go figure. So relax rabban...i aint a gonna hurt nobody...

 

Wednesday, October 20, 2004 at 7:46:18 PM

Funny cartoons eh, OM? I busted a nut...but that guy is spoofing bush supporter website...so it's a tad heavy handed.
I agree with you in you conclusion...if we reelect bush...this is the land of the dumbshits. Its an endorsement of theocratic principles of democratic ones....endorsement of faith over reason.

I know there are a lot of people out there who don't see the importance of reason, logic, and science....but these principles are critical to democracy.

 

Wednesday, October 20, 2004 at 7:53:23 PM

 

 

Its an endorsement of theocratic principles of democratic ones....endorsement of faith over reason.

 

Yet this Administration (and most Americans, I think) prefer that Arabs govern themselves via democracy instead of theocracy, even if it's shoved down their throats.
More brilliant hypocrisy.

Wednesday, October 20, 2004 at 11:27:31 PM

Touche'

 

Wednesday, October 20, 2004 at 11:37:58 PM

Lies, damnable lies, and statistics. Let's try a bit of overlay magic...


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Thursday, October 21, 2004 at 2:50:42 AM

Oh, and counties won my butt, let's not forget the popular vote count the last election:
Gore-Lieberman - 51,003,926
Bush-Cheney - 50,460,110

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Thursday, October 21, 2004 at 3:03:47 AM

Cool

 

Thursday, October 21, 2004 at 7:43:35 AM

Double post!

Before I disappear for the day - my New York liberal friend sent me this link - http://electoral-vote.com - pretty cool.

Thursday, October 21, 2004 at 11:30:41 AM
OM

Good link Chief. Lots of good info there. I had to laugh at the part about Bush and Kerry being related- ninth cousins twice removed. Bit of a stretch to say they're relatives, but OK. LOL!

I especially found the link to this Salon.com article interesting:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/10/21/overseas/

 

numbers that show a remarkable spike in Americans overseas mobilizing to defeat George W. Bush. Between her site and another out of Hong Kong, Democrats have registered 140,000 new voters, 40 percent of them from swing states -- and that is just the tip of the iceberg. Americans abroad, roused to a boiling fury by a Bush doctrine that has smeared America's good name across the globe, are looking like the "silent swing vote" in several key battleground states. Overseas registration for both parties is up by 400 percent over 2000; estimates put the tally of possible civilian votes as high as 2 million.

Then the panicked e-mails start flooding in. Today, less than two weeks before the tightest presidential race in memory, untold thousands of overseas voters still have not received their ballots -- and clearly won't be able to get them back in time. Late primaries and legal challenges to Ralph Nader's appearance on the ballot delayed mailings from half the battleground states. In swing states, including Florida, Ohio and New Mexico, different versions of the ballot have gone out, sowing wild confusion. In Pennsylvania alone, at least three versions were mailed overseas, in successive, chaotic waves -- with Nader and without him, plus a blank one-size-fits-all ballot with no names at all.

Activists now fear that huge numbers of Americans overseas -- both military and civilian -- may be as disenfranchised as they were in 2000, when anywhere from 10 to 40 percent of overseas ballots, depending on the county, just plain never showed up

 

Interesting.

Thursday, October 21, 2004 at 12:17:31 PM

Bush will lose.
That's all I've got :)

Thursday, October 21, 2004 at 6:18:20 PM

Results for a little poll that most schools took around the country: http://www.channelone.com/election_2004/results/
This will not affect the election, but kids my age and older might have voted for what their parents were going to vote. I dont really know.

What if this years' election is almost the same as 2000?
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&u=/ap/20041021/ap_on_el_pr/president_ap_poll_4
Maybe Florida will decide it all.

Last edited: Thursday, October 21, 2004 at 7:28:12 PM

Thursday, October 21, 2004 at 7:24:21 PM

OM...that's me! That's me! I sent in my oregon ballot from japan last week. I rock.

 

Thursday, October 21, 2004 at 7:42:12 PM
OM

LOL Stinky! I sometimes forget your in Japan. Just waking up now right? I was sure you'd gotten your absentee in nice and early.
Glad to hear you survived the typhoon. Lots of storms death and destruction in the news today it seems. Japan, China, So Cal, Arkansas *sigh*

Thursday, October 21, 2004 at 8:25:09 PM

OM, I think that is god's way of showing his anger at W. XD

 

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