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Look up cerebral cortex.
DeLay Family Outcome Different From Schiavo's
CANYON LAKE, Texas — A family tragedy unfolding in a Texas hospital during the fall of 1988 was a private ordeal -- without judges, emergency sessions of Congress or the raging debate outside Terri Schiavo's Florida hospice.
The patient then was a 65-year-old drilling contractor, badly injured in a freak accident at his home. Among the family standing vigil at Brooke Army Medical Center was a grieving junior congressman -- U.S. Rep. Tom DeLay, R-Texas.
More than 16 years ago, far from the political passions that have defined the Schiavo controversy, the DeLay family endured its own wrenching end-of-life crisis. The man in a coma, kept alive by intravenous lines and a ventilator, was DeLay's father, Charles Ray DeLay.
Then, freshly re-elected to a third term in the House, DeLay waited all but helpless for the verdict of doctors.
Today, as House Majority Leader, DeLay has teamed with Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., to champion political intervention the Schaivo case. He pushed emergency legislation through congress to shift the legal case from Florida state courts to the federal judiciary.
And he is among the strongest advocates of keeping the woman, who doctors say has been in a persistent vegetative state for 15 years, connected to her feeding tube. DeLay has denounced Schiavo's husband, as well as judges, for committing what he calls "an act of barbarism" in removing the tube.
In 1988, however, there was no such fiery rhetoric as the congressman quietly joined the sad family consensus to let his father die.
"There was no point to even really talking about it," Maxine DeLay, the congressman's 81-year-old mother, recalled in an interview last week. "There was no way he (Charles) wanted to live like that. Tom knew, we all knew, his father wouldn't have wanted to live that way."
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Got integrity? This guy did: greer's ruling on the TS case got him excommunicated from his church...
Death threats have been made against him for allowing Michael Schiavo to remove the feeding tube that has kept his 41-year-old wife alive for the past 15 years, and the Southern Baptist church that Greer belonged to for years has asked him to leave the congregation.
Greer — a conservative Christian and longtime Republican known for an easy manner — has become the public face of the judiciary in this internationally watched fight. But despite the mounting pressure, he has been steadfast in his rulings that Terri Schiavo is in a persistent vegetative state and did not want to be kept alive artificially.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050326/ap_on_re_us/brain_damaged_woman_judge_1
So I could say, "you people are really wacked." but then, what would I say after that?
god I wish the south would have won the civil war...then we could have been shed from the troglodytes and happily entered the 21st century with the other post-industrialized nations.
Good god, you people are really wacked...warning to REAL conservatives: you guys are one wing-nut with a 30 ought 6 way from total national condemnation and political collapse. Get your house in order. This is what happens when you bed down with loonies. They kill any of these people and republicanism is over...
Chief:
I disagree with the conservative media blowing this up though. This has been on conservative talk shows for at least 2 years.
...which means they've been keeping the fire lit for at least that long. Its not just conservative press though...its on ever freakin channel. They've given more coverage to this then they did the protests of the iraq war...what a mad-house.
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* white life. Don't fool yourselves.
I would take the time to throw poison-tipped harpoons at the posts above which were probably thought about for less time than it took to write them, but that would be a waste of time on my part. I have too much to do. However, I would encourage you all, before you post, to take a few minutes and think about what you are about to post and why you are posting it. If you are not a doctor "but you play one in the internet," don't waste your time or readers' time. If you have an opinion, be prepared to support it.
It could always be worse.
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Tally scared everyone into silence.
Greer's a conservative christian? Red alert. Red alert. Ideology in danger. Ideology in danger.
I'm heading to church -- hope there's lots to read when I get back.
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I might add to that Tal if people here are going to gripe about the media circus created around this issue, please spare us all the weblinks then.
I think Rabban was being humanistic in his approach to the topic here. Kudos Rabban. I have enjoyed reading the reply's from community members that have replied in same. Unfortunately, that's sometimes hard for us to do I guess as the portrait of Teri Shiavo's life that we're exposed to has seemingly ripped her human dignity out of the story.
Thats sad isn't it.
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She said she "never wanted to live life in a coma" she is not in a coma she can sit up all on her own, laugh, respond she can only not talk and feed herself basically...
Pray to GOD for him to reveal himself to you.
Good point az, but I came to it before I stumbled upon this : http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050325-4737.html
So t'will be the last thing that I link to. I think it is a very sollid summary of the sitch.
Jacob, first of all, how do you know what she can or can't do?
If she could "not talk and feed herself basically..." were true, someone would hand her a pad of paper.
A beating heart is he least of what makes us human.
In America, only other people die.
This case is not as complicated as some would like to make it. You can't kill yourself or assist someone else in killing themselves (unless, of course, you live in such enlightened venues as Holland or possibly Oregon) but you can always refuse extraordinary means of keeping yourself alive. Air and food and water are NOT extraordinary even if they are being provided to you through a tube. And it is hilarious to hear the experts opine that starving to death is not painful. How would they know? Score another one for the culture of Death in the good old US of A and be thankful that you did not marry Terri Schiavo's husband.
"Score another one for the culture of Death in the good old US of A "
Norky, would you add iraq to that tally? Or does it just apply to when we kill americans as policy?
"Air and food and water are NOT extraordinary even if they are being provided to you through a tube."
But I suppose the act of jamming it into a body through that tube is entirely normal.
I don't understand this world the religious cats, you lovers of life live in. It matters not the state, only the color and the creed. If all that was of this woman was a heartbeat and a toe, you'd jump on her like a grenade to save it from a freaking nail clipper.
And for what? You believe in the afterlife, dontcha? Isn't that what it's all about, living well and proper here so we can get to the better place?
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I suggest everyone watch Sometimes in April on HBO.
HYPOCRITE:
one who puts on a mask and feigns himself to be what he is not; a dissembler in
religion.
How many of you people who are using the religious right's latest slogan "culture of life" and the corollary "culture of death," protested the killing of innocent iraqi women and children as an example of america's culture of death?
If you had, you at least would have followed the virtue of being consistent.
But...you haven't.
Hypocrite...it applies to you. This is why you aren't taken seriously. No integrity. Or is it, no brains?
Persistent vegetative states...or hypocrites?
Jacob, first of all, how do you know what she can or can't do?
The first post had a link....
http://www.terrisfight.net/
...and on that link there are videos...
I ain't no doctor, and I'm still glad I'm not the one making this decision.
We spend billions of dollars as a nation trying to keep people alive, ignoring their spiritual needs, their need to say something about love, their need to say something about meaning, their need to say a little something about forgiveness. Terri is not the only not getting fed in this issue. This whole system is spiritually starving. There are two ways to die, and I have seen many, one is incredibly violent, hanging on to every last breath, trying to hang onto the last vestiges of life struggling for just a little more time. The other is being able to say goodbye with dignity, with the understanding that death is not something to be feared.
56: Allegedly, those videos are from 2003 or earlier. Allegedly, they have been edited.
For the record, some people oppose abortion, euthanasia, capital punishment and the killing of innocent Iraqis. I am one and the Pope is two.
And Tally while religious people believe in an after life they also believe that our lives are a gift from God and thus we have a responsibility to be good stewards of that gift even (maybe especially) when that life brings great suffering. That's why we revere saints who suffered much with dignity and love of God. We reject what we see as modernity's bezerk love of personal autonomy. By placing autonomy above all else, we create this culture of Death whereby we can take life in utero, infirm or guilty of crime.
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Tally Ho I don't know if I should take that as a compliment or you are being sarcastic but here happy?<----------------Here it is again.
Four and a half (struggling with abortion and euthanasia..generally I oppose them, but can't make the blanket statement on those two)
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Yah, me too. All for "right to die" law we have in oregon because its a personal choice, and death with dignity beats the hell outta rotting away slowly for me personally.
In terms of abortion...i don't like it one bit, but I also feel uncomfortable adding my voice to formulating laws banning it. At the very least, I think roe vs wade is very shaky and should very possibly be overturned. I don't know how the constitution protects one's "right" to abortion. I'd be happy if the citizens of individual states were allowed to determine through democratic means, whether they wanted to allow abortions in their respective states, as well as what kind of restrictions they would want to apply to abortion if they allowed them.
Back to right to die...again, its a personal choice. The citizens of oregon have repeatedly affirmed their opinion on this matter. Ashcroft, a pro-lifer, sought on multiple occasions, to repeal the oregon law...based on his own personal bias. He would be the first to use these orewellian terms "culture of life/culture of death."
So lets not blur our argument...lets not lose sight of individual liberties when we speak of the "culture of life." to me, respect for life doesn't mean you get to use federal power structures to over-ride states rights and legislate from the bible.
Aye, and make me 5. Sortof.
The iraqi war is the tipping point for me...On the one hand, democracy is spreading (because of bush and the war) and Saddam is out of power. It also sends a powerful message to other rogue nations that the US will not tolerate even a hint of WMD ownage/terrorist affiliation. (even if WMDs are not there) This makes other countries think twice before aquiring a WMD or pubicly funding Terrorist organizations. On the other hand, civilians died, and so did our troops...And that most certainly is NOT a good thing. If there were a way to do what we have done over there and at the same time, avoid battle/collateral damages, Id support it fully..but...
"How many of you people who are using the religious right's latest slogan "culture of life" and the corollary "culture of death," protested the killing of innocent iraqi women and children as an example of america's culture of death?"
Ok, the term, 'Culture of life' applies to the practices that we use on our own people inside our country.
For instance: 'Abortion,' 'Euthanasia,' and 'Assissted suicide' are most definately not part of a 'culture of life' as they kill human beings in an unnatural way. (Unnatural meaning with intervention from humans) The iraqi war is something totally different.
A note on the war:
Not everyone on the 'religious right' supports it. (I definately have qualms about it)
Lets paint our posts with a finer brush, and not make crass generalizations about 'idiots on the right' who 'listen to michael savage' (I think he's an idiot) and watch 'FOX news,' (I dont even get the channel, much less watch it) and 'Legislate from the bible.' (Making laws informed by religious beliefs is a far cry from 'legislating from the bible')
If an atheist is the one making laws, he will include his own (objective) bias into those laws. Same goes for 'bible belters.' We are all biased in everything we do and say, so dont pretend that 'those goddamn conservatives' more objectively 'wrong' than your own brand of lawmakers.
"So lets not blur our argument...lets not lose sight of individual liberties when we speak of the "culture of life." to me, respect for life doesn't mean you get to use federal power structures to over-ride states rights and legislate from the bible."
What do you think comes after life? An 'afterlife'? A meaningless void?
If a 'void' is what comes after death, does it matter how we treat people? If we steal, lie, abuse, and kill, are those 'bad'?
No, it doesnt, and no, they arent.
Neitchze said that once you remove religion from a society, the entire moral code crumbles to nothingness and relativity. I think he is right. ;)
Funny how people are so quick to say that the Bushes are into this for 'ulterior motives' yet they brush away the possibility that perhaps Mr. Schiavo wants Terri to die becuase of 'ulterior motives' such as life insurance money, marriage to his 'girlfriend' etc. I also wonder why he doesnt allow cameras her hospice room...
44:
You said earlier that spouses have exclusive rights to decisions when their wife/husband is incapable of making the decision.
Mr. Schiavo has based his case on the allegation that Terri 'wants to die,' Not on the statement that 'florida law gives me the power to withdraw feeding/hydration.' It may very well give him the power, but he is not stupid enough to think that he can get away with it without first asserting that she 'wants to die.' (a non-falsifiable statement)
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Stink (tag)
1) iraq war: ends justifies means argument with utter contempt for facts, such as no WMDs, no Al qaeda link. Add a little imperial hubris...voila.
2)a. "Ok, the term, 'Culture of life' applies to the practices that we use on our own people inside our country."
HERE'S A THOUGHT: jesus wasn't an american. Until you digest that morsel, you have no rights to that slogan. More imperial hubris?
B. "For instance: 'Abortion,' 'Euthanasia,' and 'Assissted suicide' are most definately not part of a 'culture of life' as they kill human beings in an unnatural way"
As opposed to sustaining life in AN UNNATURAL WAY? Via GE tubes, medication, collastomy bags and so on? If nature is your guide, your argument here has no basis. If nature was the schiavo's guide, terri would have died 15 years ago, as the lack of a cerebral cortex puts one at a severe disadantage in the natural world...
3).
If an atheist is the one making laws, he will include his own (objective) bias into those laws. Same goes for 'bible belters.' We are all biased in everything we do and say, so dont pretend that 'those goddamn conservatives' more objectively 'wrong' than your own brand of lawmakers.
In general, I agree with this statement. With the exception that bible belters may tend to write laws which reference the authority of bible. What outside source influences atheists? However, I don't find that conservatives are any more biased (with respect to religion) than are most liberals. Its the freaks in the fringes I worry about...on both side of the fringes...
4). "What do you think comes after life? An 'afterlife'? A meaningless void?
If a 'void' is what comes after death, does it matter how we treat people? If we steal, lie, abuse, and kill, are those 'bad'?
No, it doesnt, and no, they arent...."
Lemme see if I can decipher this: you say the only reason that you act "good" is because the bible tells you to? If there is no system of reward and punishment in the "afterlife" you might as well abuse people while you have the chance?
And then you quote nietzsche? If you had read any nietzsche beyond that quote, you wouldn't have written that blurb above...
5). Ambling into schiavo and bush...ulterior motives. Not going anywhere near this...
6). Schiavo and right to die...put as much work into defending the life of soldiers who have been sent to die in iraq over a couple of lies, and you will begin to get my attention.
Until then, it wasn't a bad essay really. Better'n most righties. High five on the anti-fox news bit. Good effort.
I'll just add this:
Neitchze said that once you remove religion from a society, the entire moral code crumbles to nothingness and relativity. I think he is right.
Pff. Remove religion from society? Where did anybody suggest that?
Remove religion from government? Now we know by whom that
was said.
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TH: Marx? I am not sure.
And I thought that Nietchze said that without God there is only despair. Can you imagine a greater endorsement of believing in something greater than sex,power and money which are the only things that modern people worship?
Column A: God
Column B: Sex, Power and Money.
Pick one?
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Nay. None of those things are the top priorities on my menu.
{ tho I could use a little nookie. }
Can I imagine a greater endorsement of believing in something other than god, sex, power and/or money?
I absolutely can.
Call me romantic.
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bzzt, not marx. A clue:
I have informed my family, that in the event that I should
become brain dead, they should not allow me to post
on this forum.
T raider
Oooo, softball :).
Lol t raid! Its too late for the rest of us...
If your morality is on such loose footing as to require external prohibitions not to do people harm, by all means...remain religious.
Atheism is best practiced by people with the strength and self-discipline for heavy truths...
Religion is for the rest of you.
(since everyone is paraphrazing nietzsche, I figure that I would too...seeing as how I'm likely the only guy here referencing him who has actually read him, and loves to read him...)
Norky: how many of our politicians, or for that matter, business leaders, role models, sports heroes, etc profess a belief in god, but practice the excessive pursuit of sex, power and money? Religion is no amulet for excess...
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Atheism is best practiced by people with the strength and self-discipline for heavy truths...
Religion is for the rest of you.
If you think of his life and death that quote takes on some heavy irony doesn't it. :)
Dang Schiavo getting starved!
They removed the feeding tube yesterday!
"Mobs are out to put water by her death bed" -New hour
Im just glad that im not her and I hope she dies peacefully
Az, who's life and death?
Am I missing something?
I thought this thread was on terry
Who are you talking to?
Az...you mean N? He practised an ascetic, mostly solitary life-style. Very disciplined. He died insane. Possibly of the result of chronic syphillis, though that theory is being questioned now...but he was most definitely insane in the end, so he had some sort of degenerative brain disease...in view of that, I don't see the irony.
In terms of "strength to endure heavy truths" I wouldn't take that too far. His truths really weren't any heavier than anyone elses, they were just deeper...he was a champion of challenging assumptions, and stripping fairy tales down to their human origins...a nihilistic practice. To escape nihilism, he crafted new fairy tales...thus spake zarathustra is such a tale.
His strength lies in his constant questioning and in his refusal to be swayed by tradition or cultural biasis, religion or nationalism. And also in his urging people to seek their greatest potential and not to remain bounded by the limits of small minded people. He was also an admirer of christ -- but an enemy of dogma and orthodoxy.
He loathed corruption, greed, sexual fetishism, murder, rape, bravado, egoism, resentment...not because the bible told him so...but because he saw them as signs of human weakness. In other words...humans have infinite capacity to do "good" or do "evil." a truly strong human does good out of an overabundance of strength. The key was self-discipline, or self-overcoming...a person who was the master of himself...a person who transcended the pettiness and nastiness was what he called the overman.
The overman was a smart, strong, independent thinker who did good out of strength. He or she did not need prohibitions to con them or frighten them into acceptible social behavior. This is what he taught, this is how he lived...so I don't see the irony...
Its really facinating for me to look in here now and see where this thread has gone and the rabbit trails explored. I was hoping for something a little more personalized from each of us, but...
I do have some problems with how the husband has handled a few things. The money issue keeps coming up and it bothers me that he has a girlfriend (and a new child?) and that he's consistantly refused her any sort of treatment. It seems like he could easily divorce his wife, move on and let her parents take care of her since they definitely have the will to do so. But, I can see where he'd want to do what he felt she wanted in this situation and fight to see it through. Its hard to tell what's really going on with that family.
It also bothers me that after removing Terri's feeding tube, they haven't tried to feed or hydrate her orally (to my knowledge). Perhaps she could do it after all, of course that opens up more problems.
And of course, no one would choose to be in her condition, but then no one would chose to be crippled either. However, once in those conditions, a person would either adapt or not care one way or another. In Terri's case, if she is a complete veg, she's not wishing she were able to get up or wishing to die. She just exists.
So let's say Mrs. Rabban is in this situation and we didn't have living wills. I'd probably want to keep her on for awhile, but once my grieving was over I would want to let her go. However, I would prefer to put her to sleep rather than let her starve to death.
@44 - Let me explain my views on the "sanctity of life". We are to protect the innocent as best we can. That's why I disapprove of abortion, but I'm also willing to compromise. Today I heard on NPR (gasp!) about the abortion of a child with a disease that prevented sections of its brain from physically developing. That I can tragically accept. A business woman who feels a child isn't right for her career better start using better contraceptives as she dials up an adoption agency.
I believe the death penalty is a good tool to punish those who commit terrible crimes. Obviously, I want to be sure of guilt when someone is put to death, but I think some people deserve it. I think the fellow in Florida who kidnapped, raped and murdered that 9yo girl is a very good candidate. Now maybe he's sorry and has a "problem" and I hope God calls him to salvation, but he still needs to go.
War in general is a terrible thing and civilian casualities are commonly a result of combat. However, I don't put the Iraq War on President Bush's shoulders, but Saddam's. It was Saddam's responsibility to protect his citizens just as it is Bush's to protect his. The war could have been avoided had Saddam submitted to the UN and cooperated with their resolutions, but he didn't. He made the war happen, not Bush. Even so, the US Military does what it can to avoid taking out civilians, but no system of operations of that magnitude is going to be free of mistakes and misunderstandings. I know that doesn't heal the lame and bring the dead back to life, but again that's the nature of war and was Saddam's responsibility. Otherwise if it was US policy not to engage in combat for fear of causing civilian casualities, we'd be overrun in about a week.
So I don't view the "sanctity of life" issue as cut and dry as some might, but I don't think its hypocritical to want to protect the innocent and punish the guilty. I have a problem with those who seem to promote the exact opposite philosophy.
I'll just keep out of this thread my info must have no use to this thread.
Those were pretty thoughtful words Rabban.
But let me suggest a rationale for my views. I am a Conservative. To me, that means one fundamental thing: I neither like, trust, or have any faith in government. I do recognize it as a necessary evil in the most limited of cases. That is to protect ourselves from each other and foreign enemies, and to keep our fellow and foreign citizens from abject poverty. But I dont trust it to figure out whose guilty in order to take that person's life. I don't trust it to make the decision as to how old you have to be in order to qualify as a member of the human family. And most of all, I dont trust it to launch preemptive wars. ( Cynics like me were surprised but not shocked to find out that there were no WMDs. It's the governmnet after all. ) The best of governments are about one thing: POWER. And because of this we should be very careful before we let it start exerting power over the most important thing we possess--our lives!
Just when it seems rabby and I are in danger of complete harmony:
I do have some problems with how the husband has handled a few things....But, I can see where he'd want to do what he felt she wanted in this situation and fight to see it through. Its hard to tell what's really going on with that family.
And:
We are to protect the innocent as best we can. That's why I disapprove of abortion, but I'm also willing to compromise. Today I heard on NPR (gasp!) about the abortion of a child with a disease that prevented sections of its brain from physically developing. That I can tragically accept. A business woman who feels a child isn't right for her career better start using better contraceptives as she dials up an adoption agency.
...but I think some people deserve it. I think the fellow in Florida who kidnapped, raped and murdered that 9yo girl is a very good candidate. Now maybe he's sorry and has a "problem" and I hope God calls him to salvation, but he still needs to go.
He tosses in a monkey wrench:
He made the war happen, not Bush.
Oh well! Our stars were mostly aligned...i appreciate the undogmatic and nuanced thought put in above rab. (also, high five for the NPR reference, you closet progressive...)
Nork: agreed in principle...but not quite in practice. What you're not saying is that you would substitute religious orthodoxy as the authority for social regulation. How is that any better than state authority? At least in a democratic state there is potential for the citizens to influence social policy. What you seem to advocate is not unlike the turkish model of governance.
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Stink, it was a j/k. I was being light as well with the irony.
I've come across quotes associated to him from the likes of Satanists and that ilk. So certainly 'dying mad with syphillis' would sort of make one think, especially when he's promoted in that light. Thats all.
I realize your relationship to his work is much more scholarly than the sources I mentioned btw.
I would disagree however with you necessarily proclaiming him deeper though. Than what? Unless he's your sage or ultimate prophet I think you should keep your mind open there.
Rabban, in black and white terms doesn't capital punishment abort life as well? Does it not just institutionalize retribution through the inhumane act of murder and is that really just punishment? Isn't the mafia hit man on the witness protection plan not equally as disgusting as the person you mentioned. He's free in society, thats even more alarming perhaps. What gives us the right to pick and choose here? As a Christian I know you believe in the ten commandments. But tell me where's the footnote on 'thou shall not kill' then? I am very much in favor of lengthening prison terms and reforming the legal system so what happened in this tragic case doesn't happen again. What is the legal system in Florida thinking anyway. What happened in Florida to that poor child may have been avoided if this individual had been properly brought to justice and dealt with in a proper manner.
I guess I'm just absolute when it comes to life. It's not for me to judge the sanctity of another's nor judge what God does not allow me to see. I don't think you can look at capitol punishment and salvation in a hand in hand manner like that. I respect your opinion but for me it blurs too many lines.
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*applauds* :)
Great post Nork.
Az...just deeper in the sense of investigating deeper...attempting to get to the source. Good post. He's not my ultimate prophet. I reject a lot of what he says as syphilitic:)...especially the misogynist crap. Course, maybe the syphilis explains the misogyny...
Heh heh you're so funny Stinky. :)
I get 'cha
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Maybe she understands every thing going on, maybe she enjoys hearing her family talking to her , maybe she enjoys the music they play for her, maybe she enjoys the simple things in life , maybe thats enough for her?
Maybe, inside her cortex-damaged brain, she's miserable and screaming "LET ME GO!"?
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Maybe , guess we well never know.
PS I googled cortex-damaged brain. And all where studies that had positive results in them. (with rehabilitation , which was denied since early on in Terry's case)
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The latest on Schiavo
Terri's Fight.org
So how do we feel about this one?
Personally, the wife and I have living wills that opt for termination if left in a vegetative state. Terri didn't have that paperwork in place, so the decision has turned into a battle between her husband and her parents. I'm really not sure myself. I can see where the husband may be trying to carry out his wife's wishes, but I can see how her parents may have a different position on the issue. Of course, their website presents their case in a way that makes me want to side with them, but I also recognise a parent's reluctance to let a child go (especially if they feel there's any hope at all of them having some sort of relationship with them).
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