I have come to a fork in the road in my highway of life. A while ago, my old girlfriend, the one that was in the car accident, became really... Should I say, bitchy. She just seemed to get real mad for no reason at all, and said it was my fault. No this is not that time of the month, it would be almost all the time. So I said to her; "Well I have had enough, it's over." So we went our seperate ways. Now she has a new boyfriend(shocking, yea right) and now I've stayed singel. Well there is a new girl at the club(Boys &Girls Club) I havent seen here around before, but I know her last name, her sister is know to sleep around. She's not like that at all. Though, she's 12, she is a seventh grader and her birthday is in March. THough she looks to be in 9th grade, and acts years behond her age. Well now I'm in 10th grade, and I'm 15, so there's a three year difference. Now most guys would just say no to "going out with her" though she's a really nice girl, and she acts polite. I've heard of guys being harassed for dating girls in the middle school. Though I wouldn't care, if someone has a problem with it, then they can come talk to me, I really don't care what anybody says about me, but if they start saying stuff about her, or any of my friends, then it's personal. So I just ask for your point-of-view, what would you do if you were me? Would you ask her out? Or just say no she's to young? Just asking, not saying this will affect my choice, I would just like opinions. Thanks.
-Oz

I'd try it. Similar stuff happens at my school, but the age difference only goes up to 2 years.

No don't do it. There are plenty of fish in the sea. Pick someone closer to your own age.

You're half a lifetime of experience older than her.

If she's 12, she's too young to be dating. You're too old for her.

That said, it would be OK if you were friends (and stayed friends ) without any romantic complications. You are both pretty young. You should be having fun with groups of friends (guys and girls) before you go pairing off.

Don't rush into dating, and all that goes along. You're pretty young too. I'd hate to hear you ended up being a daddy too soon. I believe you wouldn't intend to have anything happen like that, but there's lots of guys who messed up and became dads without intending to.

There's my 2 cents, Ozzy

Yeah this guy came to my school telling about relationships once and said that the youngest one that is "involved" is a 11 year old girl! I said holy crap dude that is young! :S

I say don't do it. My opinion.

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Ozzy, your paragraph is the reason why I'm glad I have two sons instead of daughters. Don't get me wrong I'd like to have a daughter but I'd definitely do what the above post stated. Then I'd consider doing the same to your parents.

At your age the gap between a 15 and a 12 year old is huge. Just think about when you turn 16 and are driving. If you came to my home to pick up my 13 year old daughter I'd...

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Ok guys, thanks for your input, I mean your all very well matured people and are very wise. I respect all of you and am thankfull for your ideas. Th reason I did this was becasue I am already going out with her. Yes I know it maybe wrong to some people but we don't have sex or anything. I would never do that to a girl/woman that I wasn't married to. SO no I wont be a dad anytime soon. The time I have a kid will be when I am happily married! I have strong Catholic views about that part, having sex for fun is just plain ignorance. Well ROGUE if you were her dad, and you meet me, trust me there wouldn't be a problem.(Well taht's what I bet) I am a very mature teenager, I've been told I am mature way beyond my age, honestly I have. I know it may be a big gap, and you guys may think she's young, but get this there is a girl that is 13 at the middle school, she already has a fricken kid! OK that guy I would beat the crap out of. You all have very moral views as do I. Though it's happened before, and as I stated she does act as if she were older, like more mature. We just find each other attracting, that's all. OK guys my heads on the chopping block let's hear your ideas. Say what you want, I just want to see, as before.

Hmmmmmmmm.12 is really young to be dating.id have to go with reagentx

Dude, she's 12?
12 is so...kool-aid.

Ok ok, you all gonna get on me about this, that's why if you read closely you'd see this:

I respect you all so much, you all are wise and mature people, I guess this wasn't the greatest topic to talk about, lol yea but I guess I can only say one thing, If you really care about me, then deal with it.

NO! :[

You know what I think, but I wonder if you could define dating. I know what it means to me, what does "dating mean to you? (or ignore the question if you don't want to go there.)

Good point LGM. I mean when I was ozzy's age I had girlfriends - but we didnt have "dates". It was sort of just hanging out after school and on weekends. Nothing too serious - there was too much other fun to be had.

Dating- quoting Squid here:I had girlfriends - but we didnt have "dates". It was sort of just hanging out after school and on weekends. Nothing too serious

We don't make out or anything of that nature, just boyfriend and girlfriened. Lol yea that's what I call it, sorry for confusion, lol

Ahh- I thought so... Hanging out together. Not what I call dating. Us old folks have different ideas of dating, and it usually involves physical affection at some point, and at varying levels of involvement.

I wonder if that changes people's opinions of your friend and you being together...

^what do you mean? Such as kissing? We've kissed like good night, but not like made out. Is that what you guys this is involved in dating? I don't think that's a big portion, just to be together and have a good time...

^same there, can u elaborate a bit LGM, I just don follow....

Oz,

This is my point of view, and may be shared by other older people who see dating as including these things.

Physical affection: holding hands, kissing- that's the start. "Making out" (another term to define perhaps?) leads to lots of touching, eventually things get to the point where the people involved get quite aroused, then you have to be concerned about how far things will go. That's why I mentioned parenthood. Responsiblity is key.

As far as my question- I wonder if that changes people's opinions of your girlfriend and you being together-

You said you and your girl friend just hang out together after school and stuff, nothing serious. That isn't what I understood when I first replied. In my opinion, if you two are friends who happen to be male and female, and it's not serious or physical beyond holding hands and a bye-bye kiss , I don't see it as a big deal.

However, there is a difference between a 12 and 15 year old that concerns me. I know that at 15, my interests weren't so pure all the time. I also know that at 16 or 17, the desires really kicked in. I'd be concerned about my daughter if I were her parents. Teenage boys struggle with that area. It's dangerous territory.

I don't know what other people think, but you got my opinion...

Dating starts at 16 around here and that's normally with a group.

A 12 year old should be having fun doing stupid 12 year old stuff and her parents are to blame here.

Having fun, casual relationships with lots of girls lets you know what really interests you rather than worrying about sustaining a one on one thing. Besides, you've got school (and/or) work to worry about. Put more effort into your education and it'll pay off dividends later.

The people here have given you great advice - don't try to come up with counter points or replies - learn from their experiences.

Wait about, eh, 12 years. Age differences in school are WAY different then when you're older. Think about it, my dad would have been dating a kindergartener in junior high. As for dating, I think it's when someone pays for the other one; otherwise, it's just hangin' out. :P

I don't agree with that 12 years old is too young to date...you're not fully developed mentally and physically but you should still be allowed to date. I think that 15 years to 12 years is waaay too much of a difference though.

I've always wondered about one thing...I always hear that if you have when you are ready you are "dishonoring" yourself. WTF? If you want to do it, I could think of other words, like just saying you're not ready, but, "dishonoring" yourself and your body? :'(

Hmmmm I have thought this over very carefully and have a split opinon on this.....u say tat u guys r just doing things as friends....tats very great and responsible.....though......the age difference will become a problem though.....because right now shes just a kid...when she becomes a teenager.....things will be deffinately different and as u get older ur gonna want to do different things.......LMG and many others r offering many good advice though.....

I know though no matter howmuch u guys feel in love.........or w/e u guys r still young......id say just be friends for now.....wait till u guys r older and more mature and ready for this...cuz she is pretty young to be in a reationship....cuz usually as a lil kid...when ur in a relationship no matter how mature u may be.......they still dont know wat they're doing.......

Tats just some advice from a girl.........

~Dark Angel~

First of all Ozzy, it wasn't really good to go out with a girl that young. You should be "picking on people your own size". Giving a young girl affection is not a great way for her to start her teen life. After she of you "dump" each other, she may get the feeling to go out with more guys older than her. Only date a girl that is younger that is three years younger than you, when you are maybe in your 20's or something olike that. But if I was your or her dad, I'd say..."No dating, until after you'e married" :P

Heh, nice AO. Ok, I've done some thinking today. I've read your posts and really tought it over. I guess I can see where your all coming from, experience, which I don't have yet, in some areas, but not many(games :P ) This is an area that really don't preffer to talk about, but I knew if I came here, I would be given really thought out, and wise answers, with a few jokes ;) I have come to a conclusion, were still gonna go out. Yes I know most of you are saying, something like your to young and don't understand. Yes and taht may be so. LGM I can see where your coming from with the "urges." but no, that's not me, I mean ofcourse I've had them, but my mother has instilled in my that I should follow what God whants me to do and don't turn to Satan. I know people that have done it. I told them they were idiots and that's it's not worth the risk. I know I'm kinda "kicking a dead horse" I will let things pan out and see what happens. I really thank all of you for your views, I never though when I joined PTT, that well you all would act like this. You know when you play a game, you think the person on the other end is some teeanger. But no not here, I see that you all are really wise people, with much experience. Thanks, it'll probably come back to bit me in the ass for some reason or another, but it wont be a kid. I promise you all that right now.

Go for it!!! Get in their before its too late,u never know you might be her first. ;)

Timmmmmbooooooooooooooo! Eek

Huh? Get in where? :o ;)

Lmao @ timbo XD

"get in their" is a saying in england we use for asking a girl out before somebody else does.. ;)

I have to admit thinking it was much more explicit than that...

I agree with Timbo 100%......
Just don't go around planting any seeds :)

Ozzy you asked because you already know the answer.

If you felt it was okay , deep down, you wouldn't have asked.

I'm 34 now, but when I was 16 I had a 12-13 yr old girl who made it known she was interested in me.

WHile the idea of it was "exciting" , I didn't pursue it. You are going to mature way beyond her very soon and if you continue to on with this, you'll probably be hanging out with her somewhere and then meet a girl your own age that you really dig.

That girl will then confront you about your friend. "Is this your little sister?"

Then you'll have to explain why you are "hanging out" with a 12 year old. And the first impression you will have made with the new girl is , "Yeah, he seemed cool but he dates 12 year olds!"

Let it go.. Besides, most states consider that age difference to possibly constitute a crime. - Like when you turn 16 and she is still 12. Making out can potentially be considered improper behaviour with a minor.

IF you keep it up, remember, when it blows up on you in the end, it's your fault.

Sniper

Don't Date...
Just wait until you get to marrying age, then start looking for "The One"

^that statement came true yesterday, I went over to her house, meet her parents, and they said I looked nice, so they said we could go to the park, her sister, Mercedes who is 14 though that she needed to come along, she wasnt told she had to go to the park, so she asked me to take her to a place, which I did, so after taht we went to the park, well April eventually got bored, she wasn't interested in the first place, it was her parents idea. So she asked if we could go to the new Super*Wal mart, so I said yea ok. SO we went we were there for a while, we hung out for about 2 hours total. Well I pull up to the drive way, and guess who was there, her mom waiting, and she said "April you are in so much trouble" and you stay away from my daughter." Well then I went home, thinking "o shit" well "o shit" almost became my last words. I walked in and my dad was mad, not horribly mad, just mad, aprils mom called my dad, and was looking for april, well april had her cell-phone with ehr, why not call that? Well she almost called the cops on me she called it kidnapping, which in the eyes of any jury would have me sent away to Omaha, just becasue im 15 and she is a 12 year old girl. Well my dad said that's not needed. He said I had to call april's mom and apolige, or go to jail, ofcourse I called apolgized, and she said, yes it will never happen again, ok good by and hung up. Well then I went to bed, my car is gone for a week, and I really don't care. I walked all the way across town, didn't bother me a bit. I do kinda have a hard time sleeping, I got to bed at 5 in the morning, then got up two hours later. I was thinking, I kinda wish I went to jail, went to Omaha. Why? Well if you've never been "sent" I have a few friends that have, you become a much better person, my friend is 16 he has the mind of a 20 year old, he can pick up just about anybody and throw them, it's pretty cool. O yea, did I mention APrils sister? Mercedes? They should be watching here, not april, she had sex when she was 12, parents found out and got the dude, sent for 3 years, he has 1 year left, well they don't know this but she does it everyday. She does blowjobs, for cigarrets, I am not kidding, don't believe me? April walked into her own room, and there was her sister "doing" some guy on her bed, now that is wrong, just plain wrong. SO I want to know, what is your opinon again. Was it my fault? Aprils fault? Just an overpertective mother? Let me hear ur answer, I know what I did, nothing happened, I have good morals and Im not taht kind of person, so let's hear it.

Overprotective mom. Definitely. But remember to tell her what you're doing.

Ozzy where do you live? Just give me like a state and a region (Central Bohemia...)

Northeastern South Dakota

What the hell is a South Dakota?

I just double checked and the driving age in SD is 14! That, in itself, is ridiculous.

Ozzy, seriously, you seem to thrive on drama. Are you making up all of these stories?

Stop using this tactic to bring attention to yourself.

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"Ozzy, seriously, you seem to thrive on drama. Are you making up all of these stories?"
What!?!?! That was low, and just plain rude you ass.

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Ozzy, calm down man. Don't get too worked up about it. You know he should not have sayed that but you don't have to say things like that. I agree with you 100% but I don't agree with you yelling that much. You have to calm down and think of a better way to say it, maybe tell him how it is true, or how he got his facts wrong. Not yelling at him that much. Yell at him but not that much.

Date Man that was low. You should stop using that tactic to get people flamed up.
If you dont like the content of Ozzy's posts then dont read em.
Ozzy - I can see why you got mad.... But let it slide Oz-man.. He aint worth it.

Oz,

Dude....the girl's 12 years old. Her mom allowed you to take her to the park, I assume after watching the Jackson trial. You took her somewhere other than the park.

Flea was right - you're lucky you didn't wind up with Dad's (hers then yours) size 12 up your butt.

Word of advice - shoot for the older women. At 15 you can't go wrong.

And remember the old line....."Have her home by 10....and remember, I have a pistol and a shovel"

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^heh, nice Chief. I changed the post guys, I guess he really aint worth it, thoguh I'm still mad, I'll let it go. THanks Vic and Squid, saved my ass there ;)

-Well when it comes to girls my own age, it's horrible. Honestly, I've given up, I will go out with April untill she doesn't want to, she's at camp right now untill Friday. I'll see if she still wants to "go out." THough girls my age, around here, are(excuse me but I don't know how else to put it) either bitchy, or sleeping around. I'm not kidding here, though that's the majority, Im not saying all of them, there are a few that are nice, but I haven't meet them. So after it's over with April, probably a while, she didn't get in that much trouble, and her mom didn't mean for me to stay away, that's what Mercede said, though she isn't very reliant. Well I'm going to go, thanks for calming me down....

Quit being an asshole, Date Man. You do realize you're a repeat offender...

^^ Oz - Bitchy teenage girls..... I can't beleive it !!!! LOL
It aint just where you live mate!!

Ehh...Meat, how old are you again?

First of all, ‡ë§ù§ ¤ƒ §üþú®þíã - get serious about a name. Repeat offender? Start the proceedings!

Secondly, Ozzy, you have a questionable past here and you're ONLY 15. Listen, 15 is NOTHING. Don't act like you have life experiences beyond reality. I was merely verbalizing what I'm sure reasonable folks here have been thinking.

I'm good with adults - kids need to know their place - don't be so quick to call people asses - it'll come back and bite you in yours (hey... More drama!)

Do you read "Highlights for Children" magazine. You could sell your stories to the "Goofus and Galant" column. You'll have to find someone to play Galant though.

What a day!

Well, Oz,

You can't say we didn't warn you. I agree that it's an overprotective mom, but I'm pretty sure my wife would not react all that differently. Parents do expect kids to tell where they are going, so when you mysteriously weren't at the park, they assumed the worst.

You have to admit that your judgement wasn't the best on going to WalMart. (BTW, I hate them)

Let parents in on your plans, then they'll start to trust you, which is a good thing. (Losing their trust isn't good, so keep earning it...)

I Believe:
There is no such thing as an "Over-Protective" mother...
Mothers were created to have that nature in them... They are supposed to protect their kids.
What is a mother supposed to think when she doesn't hear from her kid and if she goes out to look for her, "not saying that she did in this case" and doesn't find her were she is supposed to be at...natural reaction to a Situation like this would be to Worry for a Mother...
I second the Trust issue also, If you are going to date, Tell the parents were you are going and tell them what you are doing... That leaves no room for things like the above stated Problem

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