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THE PRESIDENT: Because the -- all which is on the table begins to address the big cost drivers. For example, how benefits are calculate, for example, is on the table; whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases or price increases. There's a series of parts of the formula that are being considered. And when you couple that, those different cost drivers, affecting those -- changing those with personal accounts, the idea is to get what has been promised more likely to be -- or closer delivered to what has been promised.
Does that make any sense to you? It's kind of muddled. Look, there's a series of things that cause the -- like, for example, benefits are calculated based upon the increase of wages, as opposed to the increase of prices. Some have suggested that we calculate -- the benefits will rise based upon inflation, as opposed to wage increases. There is a reform that would help solve the red if that were put into effect. In other words, how fast benefits grow, how fast the promised benefits grow, if those -- if that growth is affected, it will help on the red.
Eh? What?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/02/20050204-13.html
OMG! Was that really him? The 8 year olds on this forum can speak better than that. How incredibly shameful!
BUSH: HOLDING THREE JOBS 'UNIQUELY AMERICAN'
Tues Feb 8 2005 9:27:01 ET
Last Friday when promoting social security reform with 'regular' citizens in Omaha, Nebraska, President Bush walked into an awkward unscripted moment in which he stated that carrying three jobs at a time is 'uniquely American.'
While talking with audience participants, the president met Mary Mornin, a woman in her late fifties who told the president she was a divorced mother of three, including a 'mentally challenged' son.
The President comforted Mornin on the security of social security stating that 'the promises made will be kept by the government.'
But without prompting Mornin began to elaborate on her life circumstances.
Begin transcript:
MS. MORNIN: That's good, because I work three jobs and I feel like I contribute.
THE PRESIDENT: You work three jobs?
MS. MORNIN: Three jobs, yes.
THE PRESIDENT: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that. (Applause.) Get any sleep? (Laughter.)
Hahahahaha! You damn people have to work three jobs? Hahahahah! And you voted for me anyway? Hahahahahahahah! And you call me a moron? Hahahahahah!
"I think the private savings accounts ought to come from the payroll taxes people contribute into the Social Security trust. And this is an important issue that I'm going to prioritize right after I'm elected."
--Bush, announcing a cabinet appointment; December 20, 2000
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"Arbolist... Look up the word. I don't know; Maybe I made it up. Anyway, it's an arbo-tree-ist, somebody who knows about trees."
Bush, quoted in USA Today; August 21, 2001
Where's the outrage? Where's the moral indignation, the moral condemnation...?
Imagine the media explosion if a male escort had been discovered operating as a correspondent in the Clinton White House. Imagine that he was paid by an outfit owned by Arkansas Democrats and had been trained in journalism by James Carville. Imagine that this gentleman had been cultivated and called upon by Mike McCurry or Joe Lockhart--or by President Clinton himself. Imagine that this "journalist" had smeared a Republican Presidential candidate and had previously claimed access to classified documents in a national-security scandal.
Then imagine the constant screaming on radio, on television, on Capitol Hill, in the Washington press corps--and listen to the placid mumbling of the "liberal" media now.
Got integrity?
"I challenge anybody to show me an example of bias in Fox News Channel."--Rupert Murdoch (Salon, 3/1/01)
Years ago, Republican party chair Rich Bond explained that conservatives' frequent denunciations of "liberal bias" in the media were part of "a strategy" (Washington Post, 8/20/92). Comparing journalists to referees in a sports match, Bond explained: "If you watch any great coach, what they try to do is 'work the refs.' Maybe the ref will cut you a little slack next time."
But when Fox News Channel, Rupert Murdoch's 24-hour cable network, debuted in 1996, a curious thing happened: Instead of denouncing it, conservative politicians and activists lavished praise on the network. "If it hadn't been for Fox, I don't know what I'd have done for the news," Trent Lott gushed after the Florida election recount (Washington Post, 2/5/01). George W. Bush extolled Fox News Channel anchor Tony Snow--a former speechwriter for Bush's father--and his "impressive transition to journalism" in a specially taped April 2001 tribute to Snow's Sunday-morning show on its five-year anniversary (Washington Post, 5/7/01). The right-wing Heritage Foundation had to warn its staffers not to watch so much Fox News on their computers, because it was causing the think tank's system to crash.
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1067
"‘The press isn't quite as biased and liberal. They're actually conservative sometimes,’ Kristol said recently on CNN. If Chris missed that one, he might have come across a similar admission by Kristol offered up in the spring of 1995. ‘I admit it,’ Kristol told The New Yorker. ‘The whole idea of the 'liberal media' was often used as an excuse by conservatives for conservative failures.’"
“The biggest lie fed the American people by conservative pundits is that the United States is dominated by the ‘liberal media.’ As if Rupert Murdoch, Michael Eisner, General Electric, Time-Warner AOL and Viacom are owned and operated by liberals.
Almost all media that reach a large audience in the United States are owned by for-profit corporations--institutions that by law are obligated to put the profits of their investors ahead of all other considerations. The goal of maximizing profits is often in conflict with the practice of responsible journalism.
Not only are most major media owned by corporations, these companies are becoming larger and fewer in number as the biggest ones absorb their rivals. This concentration of ownership tends to reduce the diversity of media voices and puts great power in the hands of a few companies. As news outlets fall into the hands of large conglomerates with holdings in many industries, conflicts of interest inevitably interfere with newsgathering.
FAIR believes that independent media are essential to a democratic society, and that aggressive antitrust action must be taken to break up monopolistic media conglomerates. At the same time, non-corporate, alternative media outlets need to be promoted by both the government and the non-profit sector.
How did what's coming outta your mouth...get into your head in the first place?
(psssst...thank you for the edit of those following posts!)
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How did what's coming outta your mouth...get into your head in the first place?
Pastor Dave told me.
How long ago was 1992? Someone remind me again?
Bush has set off alarm bells among human rights groups with his nominees for the U.N. Ambassador and the top state department post for Latin American affairs, along with his appointment of a convicted Reagan administration official to head a National Security Council office.
While closely linked to the Reagan administration effort to overthrow the democratically elected Sandinistas in Nicaragua, the three controversial appointees - John Negroponte, Otto Reich and Elliott Abrams - all served in the 1980s as instruments of a wider U.S. Policy to train and arm right-wing militaries in Central America.
But then again, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, right gang? The blood of nuns on his finger tips....he shouts, "FREEDOM!" freedom for the Dole coporation to increase their bottom line....
The insurgency in Iraq continues to baffle the U.S. Military and intelligence communities, and the U.S. Occupation has become a potent recruiting tool for al Qaeda and other terrorist groups, top U.S. National security officials told Congress yesterday.
"Islamic extremists are exploiting the Iraqi conflict to recruit new anti-U.S. Jihadists," CIA Director Porter J. Goss told the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. "These jihadists who survive will leave Iraq experienced and focused on acts of urban terrorism," he said. "They represent a potential pool of contacts to build transnational terrorist cells, groups and networks in Saudi Arabia, Jordan and other countries."
And all the buffle-heads say, as they stumble out of their SUVs with bumper stickers exlaiming "I voted my values"...they say, the world is a safer place without saddam hussein...the ends justify the means.
What a nation of bufoons...
Hmm? Really? Ok..code green...code green. Everything's cool. Huh? Whats that? O shit! Code red code red! BE VERY AFRAID...DON'T CHANGE HORSES MIDSTREAM!
AP Uncovers Ridge Meetings with Pollsters During Presidential Campaign
Former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge met privately with Republican pollsters twice in a 10-day span last spring as he embarked on more than a dozen trips to presidential battleground states, according to records obtained by The Associated Press.
Ridge's get-togethers with Republican strategists Frank Luntz and Bill McInturff during a period the secretary was saying his agency was playing no role in Bush's re-election campaign were revealed in daily appointment calendars obtained by the AP under the Freedom of Information Act.
"We don't do politics in the Department of Homeland Security," Ridge told reporters during the election season.
His aides resisted releasing the calendars for over a year, finally providing them to the AP three days after Ridge left office this month.
Could republicans be any more crooked? What are your values again? Human rights abuses, manipulating 9/11, overthrowing democracies, lieing...and that's just today's headlines...what will we find out about you savages tomorrow? Unbelievable...What the hell's wrong with you people?
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This guy has a bright future in the republican party
The young Nevada man designated to chair the upcoming 2005 Young Republican National Convention
in Las Vegas has been accused of embezzling registration fees from around the country to pay off bar tabs, personal loans and credit card debts.
Nevada's national committeeman for Young Republicans filed a criminal complaint Monday with the Reno Police Department alleging Nathan Taylor received more than $25,000 in registration fees and donations through his corporation, YRNC 2005, and spent almost all of it in the past year for personal use.
The next tom delay?
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"[T]he simple argument is just that there's a reason Bush didn't say, "I want to invade a country that poses no threat to the United States, spend hundreds of billions of dollas and get thousands of people killed, in order to build a nice Shiite democracy."
SOCIAL SECURITY
Alan Greenspan Explains it All
Yesterday, Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan appeared before the Senate Banking Committee and – buried beneath an avalanche of cryptic econo-speak – was forced to concede some fundamental truths about President Bush's Social Security privatization scheme. The mainstream media keyed in on Greenspan's tepid support for private accounts if they can be implemented in a fiscally responsible way. (They can't.) But there was a lot more there. The Progress Report wades through the transcript so you don't have to:
PRIVATIZATION WON'T INCREASE NATIONAL SAVINGS: During his testimony, Greenspan said, "the problem essentially is that we have an unprecedented potential increase in the number of people leaving the workforce and going into retirement over the next 25 years" and argued that the key to fulfilling our commitments to future retirees is to increase national savings. Sen. Jack Reed (D-RI) asked Greenspan, "Would you also agree…that the private accounts will basically leave national savings unchanged since the government is borrowing money to give to individual citizens to invest in the market?" Greenspan replied, "Yes, I do."
PRIVATIZATION WON'T MAKE SOCIAL SECURITY MORE FINANCIALLY SECURE: Greenspan expressed concern about Social Security's long-term financial stability. Sen. Chuck Shumer (D-NY) asked if "setting up a private account under current conditions, not starting from scratch...does anything to alleviate the problem." Greenspan replied that setting up private accounts "surely doesn't alleviate the current problem."
EXPANDING 401(K) ACCOUNTS ARE A BETTER IDEA: Greenspan also conceded that expanding 401(k) accounts would do more to increase national savings than carving out private accounts from Social Security. Sen. Shumer said expanding "401(k)... Will more [sic] to increase net savings than simply shifting some money from the present system to a so-called private account." Greenspan said, "I'm not disagreeing with you."
BUSH'S RECKLESS FISCAL POLICY WEAKENED SOCIAL SECURITY: Because of the Bush administration's reckless fiscal policies – especially tax cuts for the wealthy – the federal government will rack up another record deficit, expected to exceed $400 billion. Those irresponsible policies make it harder to improve Social Security. Sen. Schumer asked Greenspan if "we'd have a(n) easier time fixing Social Security if our debt went down." Greenspan said, "I think that's fair to say."
TRANSITION COSTS ARE A HUGE CONCERN: Greenspan said yesterday that, in the context of changing Social Security, "I would be very careful about very large increases in debt." Greenspan said, "small increases are not something that would concern me…I would say over a trillion is large." The administration's Social Security privatization scheme is expected to add $2 trillion over the first 10 years.
So Social Security will crash in 2032. All you people who will be 65 by that time will still be working overtime. The maximum age for the military will rise to 80.
Sure we could save up for a million dollar retirement, but what about all the lazy asses out there who cant?
What about those who dont know what compound interest is?
Flea!!!!! Your alive....HI
Phoenix
@Stinkfingers: The people living in Iraq were living in fear, they would more willingly probably give us oil now that we saved them, and we went to Iraq because of the terrorists there. We don't want anymore terrorists attacking us, no matter which country they are from, and no matter if they've attacked us or not!!
@Fleabiscuit: Social Security is the dumbest plan in the world first of all, and Social Security doesn't give you the right to save money for yourself! They used to do that, and far more people were happier saving their OWN MONEY than getting paid a small sum for the "Senior Citizens". Also, Social Security tracks you down, has your identity, and you can't escape from the government. Did you also know that you don't even have to have a Social Security number? It's actually true. Famous Scientist, Kent Hovind didn't think it was right when they asked him for a Social Security number for his savings account. They "needed" one. He therefore when to court. He now is free from social security.
@Gee-Joe: Well, those "lazy asses" better learn.
For more info on government chatting, please go SOMEWHERE ELSE RATHER THEN A GAME SITE!!
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By the way stink, do you really think the LAS VEGAS REVIEWS would give you a fair side of each story? Don't listen to their crap!
Oh, and I suppose you think I'm pretty stupid for my age hm?
You: yeah. Pretty much.
Me: I'm not a brain dead Rep.who doesn't see the news, and I'm talking EVERY NEW STATION. Not just one.
I bet you're a UN guy too. Lol.
COOOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!! It's just that I don't know how to do that. :(
FLEABISCUIT Y U TAKING PICTURES OF ME,GRRRRR I WILL KILL U MAHAHHAHAHA
sorry went a little crazy since u got a pic of me (phoenix)
Phoenix
No, I don't think that you are dumb for your age at all. You appear to be quite bright actually. I was being honest...not ironic.
Hey stinkfingers, what do you think of the GOP lobby group USA Next now gunning for AARP? Remember them and the Swiftboat Vets? USA Next plans to spend as much as $10 million attacking AARP for its' stance against W's and his handlers regarding SS. Just keeps getting better.
BTW, regarding the above, what I find ironic is how far the younger gen is bending over for this Pres and don't even realize it. Wow.
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If I said I was 34 years old or something, you'd be more aggressive against me because you would think I actually know what I'm talking about. But since I'm only 14, you think I'm the kind of person who believes everything his mama teaches him (which she didn't), or that I couldn't possibly put up a good debate with a more experienced adult as yourself (which I am). So what I say will bring an end to this stupid thing you keep bringing up about Bush and politics. Very stupid for a game site. You think Bush is a dope for his decisions. I think he is exceptionally smart for doing a very bold decision for bring war on that tyrant, which everyone else thinks is stupid because he didn't bring war or make any threats to us. Now he will go on trial (and probably be guilty for all I know). Thank God we actually did something for those people in Iraq, because they couldn't do anything for themselves, and please don't mention the Iran rebellion because that turned out to be a total flop. And not just that: since the war is not too much of a big thing now, we can focus on the common welfare, such as healthcare, social security, the food drive (lol, I think that's what you call it), etc. The only thing I disagree with him is the problem with illegal aliens (especially Mexicans). He's got to work on that. But could you PLEASE STOP WITH THE POLITICS! I'm REALLY getting tired of trying to teach you idiots that what we did was right, and moral. We gave liberty to a country for crying out load! You may say we didn't give them liberty because of our troops. They are still in Iraq. And yes I agree. But when the day comes when and if we ever leave Iraq, the tyrants will come back, overthrow it, and push people back into poverty. I'd say if those troops didn't leave, we wouldn't put oppression on them. We'd just make sure no tyrants will come back there. I mean come on! Before they could only vote for one person. And guess who the candidate was! I may be only 14, but to get through into thinking I'm a dang fool who believes in fairy tales, you better think again.
Inmates are running the asylum.
Where's stinky?
Where's TG?
Where's anything other than the goofy posts out there?
STOP THE MADNESS!
Ha!
Haven't got rid of this topic yet.
This one made me smile.
Personal Accounts Tank in Polls, GOP Says
A very insightful view of SS that compares it correctly as retirement "insurance" and not a retirement "account."
March 1, 2005
Guest Viewpoint: Think of Social Security as insurance
By Nicholas Urhausen
I've spent the past 30 years as a claims representative on the front lines with the Social Security Administration. I speak only for myself, as a citizen and a person who pays Social Security taxes, and not as a representative of the Social Security Administration.
When I began taking claims in 1974, it sometimes took 30 days to process a retirement claim. Quantum leaps in technology often now allow me to process a claim in about 30 minutes. However, there seems to have been little change in people's understanding of the system.
Americans tend to learn about Social Security the same way that they have traditionally learned about sex - in the street. The results, in terms of misconceptions, are similar.
The Social Security system was born in the wake of the Great Depression from a forced marriage between elements of both socialism and capitalism. The genetic result has ideological impurities that both ends of the political spectrum find perpetually irritating.
It is neither a means-tested welfare program nor an individual investment plan. It is a huge, compulsory insurance program with coverage and rates determined by Congress, not by executive whim. Some workers who never marry nor have children and die at a young age never collect a benefit. Some workers have disabled children who are never able to work and who may receive benefits on the workers' account for decades after the worker is disabled, retires or dies.
Social Security's administrative costs have historically been about 1 percent of revenue. There is roughly one field office worker for about every 10,000 Social Security card holders.
But Social Security does not just insure individual workers and their families. Our political leaders often tell us that we have the greatest economic system the world has ever seen. Well, Social Security is intrinsically part of that system. Social Security benefits not only lubricate our economic engine, but also produce enough demand-side wind to keep our financial sails from collapsing in spite of stock market crashes, savings-and-loan debacles, energy price manipulations, insurance rate rigging, dot-com bombs and terrorist attacks.
As to the matter of so-called personal accounts: Social Security benefits are focused on providing income to living beneficiaries so as to satisfy human needs for food, clothing and shelter. If there is a human need to die owning shares of stock index funds, it is not a need that Social Security needs to address, let alone administer. Congress has provided wealth-building opportunities by means of Individual Retirement Accounts and 401(k) plans that should be taken advantage of by those who are able to do so.
I believe that it would be prudent to build a permanent fire wall between our Social Security system and the securities markets. The multinational corporations that typically make up index funds often have a tendency to export jobs and regard labor as a disposable commodity. They should not depend on our Social Security system for capital, and our Social Security system should not depend on them for income.
To the extent that these corporations provide American workers with jobs and pay American taxes, well and good. But we should always avoid placing ourselves in a situation were we would be forced to alter our foreign or national policies to suit their best interests.
Like any insurance situation, if projected claims exceed projected revenues it will be necessary to either increase premiums or reduce coverage. On the revenue side, the cap on earnings on which Social Security taxes are collected could be raised or eliminated. Or it could be left in place and eliminated only on the employer side. On the coverage side, children's benefits could be paid only to the children of deceased or disabled workers and not to those of healthy retirees who happened to have children late in life. The burden could be eased on all workers if Social Security taxes were paid out of pretax rather than after-tax income.
Ironically, Social Security is in better financial shape today than it has ever been during my career. And since the Enron situation, I have heard much less whining about what could have been done if the money had been invested in the stock market. It seems to me that those who make it to retirement age in good health have had more than four decades to accumulate wealth. They should have their children raised and their houses paid for. They should be counting their blessings rather begrudging the semblance of dignity and modicum of income provided by Social Security to those who were less fortunate and their survivors.
But then, human nature is human nature.
Nicholas Urhausen of Eugene is a Social Security claims representative. The views expressed here are his own.
Watch out for the double-speak W pukes. That boy often contradicts himself in the same paragraph.
And for those who's panties are in still bunch over the concept of SS try to remember that the sixth point mentioned for even establishing a constitution is "promote the general Welfare..."
That too is an interesting document that should be revisited from time to time.
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If there is a human need to die owning shares of stock index funds, it is not a need that Social Security needs to address, let alone administer. Congress has provided wealth-building opportunities by means of Individual Retirement Accounts and 401(k) plans that should be taken advantage of by those who are able to do so.
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The multinational corporations that typically make up index funds often have a tendency to export jobs and regard labor as a disposable commodity.
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And since the Enron situation, I have heard much less whining about what could have been done if the money had been invested in the stock market.
Three very good points, which together bring about this warning: Locking your SS Insurance into private corporation stocks is essentially the cornerstone of turning our country into one big Company Store, folks. I am waiting for the next Bushism: "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your corporations." Ich bin ein Carlyle Groupie
, indeed...
How is gods hell is this one gonna be right?
Air Force Seeks Bush's Approval for Space Weapons Programs
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/18/business/18space.html
"The Air Force, saying it must secure space to protect the nation from attack, is seeking President Bush's approval of a national-security directive that could move the United States closer to fielding offensive and defensive space weapons, according to White House and Air Force officials...."
"A presidential directive is expected within weeks,..."
"With little public debate, the Pentagon has already spent billions of dollars developing space weapons and preparing plans to deploy them...."
"In January 2001, a commission led by Donald H. Rumsfeld, then the newly nominated defense secretary, recommended that the military should "ensure that the president will have the option to deploy weapons in space...."
"In 2002, after weighing the report of the Rumsfeld space commission, President Bush withdrew from the 30-year-old Antiballistic Missile Treaty, which banned space-based weapons...."
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You are welcome.
It's still alive...
But to get through into thinking I'm a dang fool who believes in fairy tales...
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Nice view from the fence here fellas. %)
@Gaul, very nice, like what I see from you. Refreshing to see a conservative view from such a youngster especially since these forums have been so one sided. I guess most people DO think this is the WRONG place for political garble. XD
^ Biting tongue....
^ It's kind of like watching a train wreck KKB.
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Wait...I thought we were thanking Democrats. I'm so confused.
I dont take back anything I said I the people that didnt follow this thread well good luck. Just keep reading! B) I like this thread the best because a lot of the points were adressed. Nothing against yall
Cloud
Yeah, basically if things don't go our way it is easiest to blame the government in power. That's the problem with only two strong parties. Need a third for more balance. ;)
Not all religious people are Republicans, you know. ;) ^^ n1 Cloud, I like to hear people standing up for the poor. Oh, I remember, look at this.
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BOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! YOU REPUBLICANS GUYS SUCK
Bout time the we get this country on the right track! What the hell did FDR know anyway?
Can I also thank them for the 200 billion dollar fiasco that is Iraq? I'll thank them on behalf of the 1300 dead servicemen who aren't around any longer to thank them personally. I'm sure democracy will flourish there one day... . good call bush
Thanks republicans...for all that compassion.
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