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But then again, we weren't fighting a war of our choosing, we had a stabe economy and a balanced budget...
But yeah, there is definitely going to be an element of crying foul from the left for the next four years...countered by a steady drum-beat of head-in-the sand optimism from the right...
My question is: just how much worse can this monkey f%$k things up by 2008? How bad will the deficit be, for example?
WOOT
LOL! Which one of those monkeys is bush? The one passed out in the passenger seat?
So, what is with these guys? First they wanna do away with SS and substitute it with private accounts so that wall street can get a cut...
Which, incidently will cost us little folks trillions of bucks...
"It's a badly, badly flawed plan," Robert Rubin, the former secretary of the Treasury and a Citigroup director, told me. "From a fiscal point of view it's horrendous. It adds to deficits and federal debt in very large numbers until 2060." He calculates that the transition costs of Bush's plan for the first 10 years would run at least $2 trillion and $4.5 trillion for the second 10 years. The exploding deficit would have an "adverse effect on interest rates, an adverse effect on consumption and housing prices, reduce productivity and growth, and crowd out debt capital to the private sector. Markets could begin to lose confidence in fiscal policy. The soundness of Social Security will be worse. These are the possibilities."
And they are even thinking of limiting medicaid coverage... http://www.truthout.org/docs_05/012105F.shtml
Yet they allocate billions of dollars to fight an unnecessary war (with non-bid contracts awarded to their billionaire pals...
1. AEGIS: In June, the Pentagon's Program Management Office in Iraq awarded a $293 million contract to coordinate security operations among thousands of private contractors to Aegis, a UK firm whose founder was once investigated for illegal arms smuggling. An inquiry by the British parliament into Sandline, Aegis head Tim Spicer's former firm, determined that the company had shipped guns to Sierra Leone in 1998 in violation of a UN arms embargo. Sandline's position was that it had approval from the British government, although British ministers were cleared by the inquiry. Spicer resigned from Sandline in 2000 and incorporated Aegis in 2002.
2. BEARING POINT: Critics find it ironic that Bearing Point, the former consulting division of KPMG, received a $240 million contract in 2003 to help develop Iraq's "competitive private sector," since it had a hand in the development of the contract itself. According to a March 22 report by AID's assistant inspector general Bruce Crandlemire, "Bearing Point's extensive involvement in the development of the Iraq economic reform program creates the appearance of unfair competitive advantage in the contract award process."
Bearing Point spent five months helping USAID write the job specifications and even sent some employees to Iraq to begin work before the contract was awarded, while its competitors had only a week to read the specifications and submit their own bids after final revisions were made. "No company who writes the specs for a contract should get the contract," says Keith Ashdown, the vice president of Washington, DC-based Taxpayers for Common Sense.
3. BECHTEL: Schools, hospitals, bridges, airports, water treatment plants, power plants, railroad, irrigation, electricity, etc. Bechtel was literally tasked with repairing much of Iraq's infrastructure, a job that was critical to winning hearts and minds after the war. To accomplish this, the company hired over 90 Iraqi subcontractors for at least 100 jobs. Most of these subcontracts involved rote maintenance and repair work, however, and for sophisticated work requiring considerable hands-on knowledge of the country's infrastructure, the company bypassed Iraqi engineers and managers.
Although Bechtel is not entirely to blame, the company has yet to meet virtually any of the major deadlines in its original contract. According to a June GAO report, "electrical service in the country as a while has not shown a marked improvement over the immediate postwar levels of May 2003 and has worsened in some governorates."
4. BKSH & ASSOCIATES: Chairman Charlie Black, is an old Bush family friend and prominent Republican lobbyist whose firm is affiliated with Burson Marsteller, the global public relations giant. Black was a key player in the Bush/Cheney 2000 campaign and together with his wife raised $100,000 for this year's reelection campaign.
BKSH clients with contracts in Iraq include Fluor International (whose ex-chair Phillip Carroll was tapped to head Iraq's oil ministry after the war, and whose board includes the wife of James Woolsey, the ex-CIA chief who was sent by Paul Wolfowitz before the war to convince European leaders of Saddam Hussein's ties to al Qaeda). Fluor has won joint contracts worth up to $1.6 billion.
Another client is Cummins Engine, which has managed to sell its power generators thanks to the country's broken infrastructure.
Most prominent among BKSH's clients, however, is the Iraqi National Congress, whose leader Ahmed Chalabi was called the "George Washington of Iraq" by certain Pentagon neoconservatives before his fall from grace. BKSH's K. Riva Levinson was hired to handle the INC's U.S. Public relations strategy in 1999. Hired by U.S. Taxpayers, that is: Until July 2003, the company was paid $25,000 per month by the U.S. State Department to support the INC.
5. CACI AND TITAN: Although members of the military police face certain prosecution for the horrific treatment of prisoners at the Abu Ghraib prison, so far the corporate contractors have avoided any charges. Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba reported in an internal Army report that two CACI employees "were either directly or indirectly responsible" for abuses at the prison, including the use of dogs to threaten detainees and forced sexual abuse and other threats of violence. Another internal Army report suggested that Steven Stefanowicz, one of 27 CACI interrogators working for the Army in Iraq, "clearly knew [that] his instructions" to soldiers interrogating Iraqi prisoners "equated to physical abuse."
"Titan's role in Iraq is to serve as translators and interpreters for the U.S. Army," company CEO Gene Ray said, implying that news reports had inaccurately implied the employees' involvement in torture. "The company's contract is for linguists, not interrogators." But according to Joseph a. Neurauter, a GSA suspension and debarment official, CACI's role in designing its own Abu Ghraib contract "continues to be an open issue and a potential conflict of interest."
Nevertheless, the GSA and other agencies conducting their own investigations have yet to find a reason to suspend the company from any new contracts. As a result, in August the Army gave CACI another $15 million no-bid contract to continue providing interrogation services for intelligence gathering in Iraq; In September, the Army awarded Titan a contract worth up to $400 million for additional translators.
6. CUSTER BATTLES: At the end of September, the Defense Department suspended Custer Battles (the name comes from the company's two principle founders - Michael Battles and Scott Custer) and 13 associated individuals and affiliated corporations from all federal contracts for fraudulent billing practices involving the use of sham corporations set up in Lebanon and the Cayman Islands. The CPA caught the company after it left a spreadsheet behind at a meeting with CPA employees. The spreadsheet revealed that the company had marked up certain expenses associated with a currency exchange contract by 162 percent.
7. HALLIBURTON: In December Congressman Waxman (D-CA), announced that "a growing list of concern's about Halliburton's performance" on contracts that total $10.8 billion have led to multiple criminal investigations into overcharging and kickbacks. In nine different reports, government auditors have found "widespread, systemic problems with almost every aspect of Halliburton's work in Iraq, from cost estimation and billing systems to cost control and subcontract management." Six former employees have come forward, corroborating the auditors' concerns.
Another "H-bomb" dropped just before the election, when a top contracting official responsible for ensuring that the Army Corps of Engineers follows competitive contracting rules accused top Pentagon officials of improperly favoring Halliburton in an early-contract before the occupation. Bunnatine Greenhouse says that when the Pentagon awarded the company a 5-year oil-related contract worth up to $7 billion, it pressured her to withdraw her objections, actions that she said were unprecedented in her experience.
8. LOCKHEED MARTIN: Lockheed Martin remains the king among war profiteers, raking in $21.9 billion in Pentagon contracts in 2003 alone. With satellites and planes, missiles and IT systems, the company has profited from just about every phase of the war except for the reconstruction. The company's stock has tripled since 2000 to just over $60.
Lockheed is helping Donald Rumsfeld's global warfare system (called the Global Information Grid), a new integrated tech-heavy system that the company promises will change transform the nature of war. In fact, the large defense conglomerate's sophistication in areas as diverse as space systems, aeronautics and information and technology will allow it to play a leading role in the development of new weapons systems for decades to come, including a planned highly-secure military Internet, a spaced-based missile defense system and next-generation warplanes such as the F-22 (currently in production) and the Joint Strike Fighter F-35.
E.C. Aldridge Jr., the former undersecretary of defense for acquisitions and procurement, gave final approval to begin building the F-35 in 2001, a decision worth $200 billion to the company. Although he soon left the Pentagon to join Lockheed's board, Aldridge continues to straddle the public-private divide, Donald Rumsfeld appointed him to a blue-ribbon panel studying weapons systems.
Former Lockheed lobbyists and employees include the current secretary of the Navy, Gordon England, secretary of transportation Norm Mineta (a former Lockheed vice president) and Stephen J. Hadley, Bush's proposed successor to Condoleeza Rice as his next national security advisor.
Not only are Lockheed executives commonly represented on the Pentagon various advisory boards, but the company is also tied into various security think tanks, including neoconservative networks. For example, Lockheed VP Bruce Jackson (who helped draft the Republican foreign policy platform in 2000) is a key player at the neo-conservative planning bastion known as the Project for a New American Century.
9. LORAL SATELLITE: In the buildup to the war the Pentagon bought up access to numerous commercial satellites to bolster its own orbiting space fleet. U.S. Armed forces needed the extra spaced-based capacity to be able to guide its many missiles and transmit huge amounts of data to planes (including unmanned Predator drones flown remotely by pilots who may be halfway around the world), guide missiles and troops on the ground.
Industry experts say the war on terror literally saved some satellite operators from bankruptcy. The Pentagon "is hovering up all the available capacity" to supplement its three orbiting satellite fleets, Richard DalBello, president of the Satellite Industry Association explained to the Washington Post. The industry's other customers - broadcast networks competing for satellite time - were left to scramble for the remaining bandwidth.
Loral Space & Communications Chairman Bernard L. Schwartz is very tight with the neoconservative hawks in the Bush administration's foreign policy ranks, and is the principal funder of Blueprint, the newsletter of the Democratic Leadership Council.
In the end, the profits from the war in Iraq didn't end up being as huge for the industry as expected, and certainly weren't enough to compensate for a sharp downturn in the commercial market. But more help may be on its way. The Pentagon announced in November that it would create a new global Intranet for the military that would take two decades and hundreds of billions of dollars to build. Satellites, of course, will play a key part in that integrated global weapons system.
10. QUALCOMM: Two CPA officials resigned this year after claiming they were pressured by John Shaw, the deputy undersecretary of defense for technology security to change an Iraqi police radio contract to favor Qualcomm's patented cellular technology, a move that critics say was intended to lock the technology in as the standard for the entire country. Iraq's cellular market is potentially worth hundreds of millions of dollars in annual revenues for the company, and potentially much more should it establish a standard for the region. Shaw's efforts to override contracting officials delayed an emergency radio contract, depriving Iraqi police officers, firefighters, ambulance drivers and border guards of a joint communications system for months.
Shaw says he was urged to push Qualcomm's technology by Rep. Darrell E. Issa, a Republican whose San Diego County district includes Qualcomm's headquarters. Issa, who received $5,000 in campaign contributions from Qualcomm employees from 2003 to 2004, sits on the House Small Business Committee, and previously tried to help the company by sponsoring a bill that would have required the military to use its CDMA technology.
"Hundreds of thousands of American jobs depend on the success of U.S.-developed wireless technologies like CDMA," Issa claimed in a letter to Donald Rumsfeld. But the Pentagon doesn't seem to be buying the argument. The DoD's inspector general has asked the FBI to investigate Shaw's activities.
Could this administration make its pro-business anti-populace intentions any clearer?
course, it wouldn't really matter BECAUSE HE'S THE VALUES PRESIDENT! Isn't he?
Any of this sinking in, sheep?
"Baaa." ("Sure is.")
[image]picture of sheep with wool dyed like US flag[/image]
Hmmm....it appears we are either preaching to the choir or talking to a wall. I guess things like hard numbers don't change much. :P Ah well.
- Bomb…James Bomb
True, JB, true. And thanks for that lovely church segue into this little tidbit that Hugobaaarain posted on the PSL8 forum yesterday: Sheep Revival Session . A song for the masses! (pun intended) Well, at least 50% +/-3% of the masses...
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I know. This adds no merit of value to the conversation. Just made me chuckle.
Like a midget at a urinal, I was going to have to be on my toes.
Invite a retard to a picnic and you'd better expect to get drool in the potato salad.
Today it is liberals, not conservatives, who endeavor to defend civil liberties from the state. Conservatives have been won around to the old liberal view that as long as government power is in their hands, there is no reason to fear it or to limit it. Thus, the PATRIOT Act, which permits government to suspend a person's civil liberties by calling him a terrorist with or without proof. Thus, preemptive war, which permits the president to invade other countries based on unverified assertions.
There is nothing conservative about these positions. To label them conservative is to make the same error as labeling the 1930s German Brownshirts conservative.
American liberals called the Brownshirts "conservative," because the Brownshirts were obviously not liberal. They were ignorant, violent, delusional, and they worshipped a man of no known distinction. Brownshirts' delusions were protected by an emotional force field. Adulation of power and force prevented Brownshirts from recognizing the implications for their country of their reckless doctrines.
Like Brownshirts, the new conservatives take personally any criticism of their leader and his policies. To be a critic is to be an enemy. I went overnight from being an object of conservative adulation to one of derision when I wrote that the U.S. Invasion of Iraq was a "strategic blunder.
Good call...not really sucha stretch in my mind either.
http://www.thinkingpeace.com/pages/arts2/arts294.html
Boink!
http://www.truthout.org/docs_05/012405H.shtml
Great read about why the republicans won, and will win again...
From the day of his inauguration in January 2001, Bush subordinated every act of the new administration to a single goal: his reelection. Every proposed bill, every appointment, every trip had to serve this ultimate objective. "What's happening in the White House is unprecedented in modern history (...). Everything -I mean everything - is shaped by political marketing," revealed one of the rare initiates to have deserted the clan, John Dilulio, in 2003.
But he did it for you, red staters!
Y'all ready to pony up for some new taxes?
"The last four years have been very disappointing for fiscal conservatives," said Brian Riedl of the conservative Heritage Foundation.
Overall government spending has increased by 26 percent between 2001 and 2004, while discretionary spending during the same period has surged 38 percent, according to an analysis by Riedl.
And
Analysts say achieving Bush's goal of cutting the deficit in half was made more difficult with the announcement last week the White House would seek $80 billion in new funding this year for military operations in Iraq (news - web sites) and Afghanistan (news - web sites).
The White House acknowledged the funding request would push the fiscal 2005 deficit to a record $427 billion, but Bush will say his deficit-reduction plans remain on track, officials said.
Not likely. Wanna know how you cut the deficit? Ask clinton. Turns out, you really can't have your cake and eat it too. Wow! Everything has its price tag...imagine that!
I especially love the part where you creat a crisis -- tax cuts, a war of choice -- and then aim to fix it by cutting critical social spending. But don't go thinking that times are tough all over...cause for some, it aint.
How do you like your blue-eyed boy now, mr. Death?
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=584&e=3&u=/nm/20050201/pl_nm/bush_budget_dc
You guys forgot about the 33 new helicopters we just bought today for the President at 6.3 billion dollars ! Why do we need 33 ? What a joke ! XO
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Man,I coulda' bought 33 helicopters for $50,000 at the Flea Market! :)
As far as I am concerned they need to wipe out medicaid wipe out S.S. And be done with it.......and start giving us plain and simple free health care....and as far as social security
start saving........Just get rid of the med tax and the SS tax...........
Ya, and don't like air pollution then just don't breath.
So far Bush is only playing word games while preparing to raid SS and give to his rich handlers. You don't think you will see a savings do you? Think "personal account tax." Thank god we'll have good accounting to watch out for us, like Enron. Or maybe we should let charities handle it all and make them dependent on taxes. Sounds real good. Hmm...
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More on the "liberal" press...
Armstrong Williams and Maggie Gallagher are not breaking new ground in accepting money for favorable coverage. The ethical line separating conservative "journalism" from government propaganda has long since been wiped away.
Sometime after 2009, when historians pick through the wreckage left behind by George W. Bush's administration, they will have to come to grips with the role played by the professional conservative media infrastructure.
Indeed, it will be hard to comprehend how Bush got two terms as President of the United States, ran up a massive debt, and misled the country into at least one disastrous war - without taking into account the extraordinary influence of the conservative media, from Fox News to Rush Limbaugh, from the Washington Times to the Weekly Standard.
Recently, it's been revealed, too, that the Bush administration paid conservative pundits Armstrong Williams and Maggie Gallagher while they promoted White House policies. Even fellow conservatives have criticized those payments, but the truth is that the ethical line separating conservative "journalism" from government propaganda has long since been wiped away.
For years now, there's been little meaningful distinction between the Republican Party and the conservative media machine.
In 1982, for instance, South Korean theocrat Sun Myung Moon established the Washington Times as little more than a propaganda organ for the Reagan-Bush administration. In 1994, radio talk show host Limbaugh was made an honorary member of the new Republican House majority.
The blurring of any ethical distinctions also can be found in documents from the 1980s when the Reagan-Bush administration began collaborating secretly with conservative media tycoons to promote propaganda strategies aimed at the American people.
In 1983, a plan, hatched by CIA Director William J. Casey, called for raising private money to sell the administration's Central American policies to the American public through an outreach program designed to look independent but which was secretly managed by Reagan-Bush officials.
The project was implemented by a CIA propaganda veteran, Walter Raymond Jr., who had been moved to the National Security Council staff and put in charge of a "perception management" campaign that had both international and domestic objectives.
In one initiative, Raymond arranged to have Australian media mogul Rupert Murdoch chip in money for ostensibly private groups that would back Reagan-Bush policies. According to a memo dated Aug. 9, 1983, Raymond reported that "via Murdock [sic], may be able to draw down added funds." (For details, see Parry's Secrecy & Privilege: Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq.)
Besides avoiding congressional oversight, privately funded activities gave the impression that an independent group was embracing the administration's policies on their merits. Without knowing that the money had been arranged by the government, the public would be more inclined to believe these assessments than the word of a government spokesman.
"The work done within the administration has to, by definition, be at arms length," Raymond wrote in an Aug. 29, 1983, memo.
In foreign countries, the CIA often uses similar techniques to create what intelligence operatives call "the Mighty Wurlitzer," a propaganda organ playing the desired notes in a carefully scripted harmony. Only this time, the target audience was the American people.
http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/21149/
I wanted Kerry.....
Oh Please He would have been worse than Bush.........^
Since when is it a "civil right" for old people leech off of young workers? Social Security was probably a good idea for the Depression when old people were in abject poverty but today it has become an expensive ponzi scheme that only enriches Washington bureaucrats and makes people dependent on the Democratic party for their retirement.
You must be one of the less than 21 percent of workers who has a guaranteed pension Nork, good for you. Social Security provides a guaranteed pension, adjusted for inflation, and is not vulnerable to stock market downturns. Average seniors (those with a median income of $19,000/year) rely on Social Security for two-thirds of their income. It is the only source of income for nearly 20 percent of retirees. Is it better to backtrack to abject poverty?
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Ice berg, dead ahead.
Things cost money?
@ stinky / Tally / Flea
http://www.truthout.org/docs_05/012405H.shtml
Great read about why the republicans won, and will win again...
Great article - though somewhat slanted.
My question, dear Sir: how can someone serve over a quarter century in the United States Senate and still be "an unknown"?
"Come, grasshopper - the answer lies within...."
"Since when is it a "civil right" for old people leech off of young workers? "
Norky, these people, our grandparents, paid into the system for years. They're not leeches. You'd rather they fend for themselves in their dotage?
This underscores a critical difference between conservatives and liberals...
Conservatives see older people as parasitical because they no longer contribute to the market economy. Good grief...
What a nasty, selfish philosophy.
Bill Paterson, investment specialist for the AFL-CIO, sees this change as "a dangerous collusion between industry and the ideologues of the right." The retired person's association, AARP, has published ads in 50 newspapers denouncing the "social insecurity" the privatization introduces. They all draw attention to the failures of similar privatizations in Chile and Great Britain, which have proven to be more costly (with private companies taking a significant portion of the funds and their administrative management becoming much heavier). Counterproposals have been launched that rest primarily on a gentle increase in wage-earners' contributions.
Bush's success in the presidential elections and his majority in Congress give the means to accomplish his project. The future will tell whether those forces aligned with social solidarity will be able to unite to challenge it. Following the ravages of successive recessions, Kennedy, then Lyndon Johnson, claimed to declare "war on poverty." Now with Bush comes the war on the poor.
http://www.humanite.fr/journal/2005-02-03/2005-02-03-455984
Funny...for every anti-populace, pro economic-elite scheme the republicans dream up to further fatten their coffers, there are always legions of the average, not-so-rich, probably under-employed members of the populace goading the wealthy on, defending their position with Fox news bromides...
it is truly the height of stupidity, you lunch-box conservatives, to vote and act against your own economic interests.
If you aint pulling down 100K a year, you might want to watch out for what you are fighting for...privatization isn't always such a good idea ( I know such statements are blasphemous in a market economy) you do remember enron and the energy scandal? How many billions of dollars did that privatization scheme cost the average, not so rich people of the western states?
And if you are pulling down 100k, well...i would at least your attempts to hang on to everything you have make some kind of sense...
The funny thing...is that most of you conservatives consider yourselves christians...not very "christ like" to favor stock brokers over the elderly. To call your grandparents "leeches." not very christ like at all...
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And rabban...if you are reading this, I challenge you to use your knowledge of the bible to come to the aid of the meek...
Find me something in there regarding "money changers"...we can substitute stockbrokers for that, yes? Find me something about our responsibility to take care of our elderly...find me something about putting people above profit...
Look in the "jesus" parts...jesus would have hated these dam conservatives...the liberal hippy that he was.
Wow - is your silence an admission of my "righteousness"? (Sorry - had to say it).
:)
Ps - nice poster!
Er...come again chieftain...specifics, eh?
If that non-entity is kerry...i believe you can fill in the blanks yourself, and I'd probably agree with you :)
I guess my question is......
What the hell were the Dems thinking running that guy???!!!
They would have been better off running the Budweiser clydesdale.
You guys must have been drinking the Kool Aide. Social Security is NOT a pension system that people pay into and then get their earnings out of with interest. By definition, the government cannot create wealth--they can only transfer it. There is no "trust account" or "lock box" where worker's money is kept to retirement. It is a simple intergenerational wealth transfer that is largely welfare for the rich. Ross Perot colects it while some Wendy's clerk here in Chicago is paying 6.2% of his/her meager earning to support him. Is that fair? In fact, the vast, vast bulk of the wealth in this country is held by people who collect Social Security checks. If you are old and poor then we --as a society--have an obligation to make sure that you have adequate material means but for God's sake someone has to stop bankrupting the young to pay for rich old people!
Oh, SNAP. Did someone play the jesus card?
O no he dind!
Apparently someone is inhaling the exhaust fumes of Chief, but I won't mention names; Norky. It's interesting you mention that Wendy's clerk, which is usually a young person.
More than 3.5 million Americans under age 18 currently receive Social Security befefits because a parent died or became disabled. Wages have been declining for young people since the 1970s, which makes it harder to save. Social Security provides a safety net for young people who don't earn enough to build their own nest egg for retirement or disability.
And speaking of welfare for the rich...; Measured over 75 years, Social Security's financial shortfall is $3.7 trillion. This happens to be equal to the 75 year cost of recent tax cuts given to those who earn $311,000 a year or more. We can thank the president for creating and perpetuating an artificial SS crisis. He does not care for all working Americans only the top one percent.
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See there chief, I agree with you...
But what would the nasty GOP have engineered to discredit mr. Horsey? Stall-mucker veterans for truth? Tales of mr. Horsey's wild nights with goats? That sometimes he claims to like grass sometimes he claims he likes alfalfa...yada yada yada. No?
Flea, at whatever age, if you need assistance then you should have it but the fact is that most of the "retired" people on Social Security don't need it. Nor do MOST seniors need prescription drug coverage subsidized by taxpayers though that did not stop Bush from saddling all of today's young people with a benefit for rich old people that will cost a trillion dollars over 10 years. ( Again we will be paying for Ross Perot's Lipitor.) That is why they call Social Security and Medicare middle class entitlements: they principally benefit the middle and upper classes and they are untouchable because this group of voters is politically very powerful.
Hey Nork, would you please provide me directions. I'd love to move and work in your state but I just cannot locate Denial on my map :)
I know you're pushing my buttons. Your question would be another good thread. Something like "Is there a middle-class?" With the top 1 percent of americans owning more than the bottom 95 percent it's gotta be a pretty small slice. Guess we have to settle on a definition of middle-class although we are supposed to be a classless society. One of the veils that has been pulled over most americans eyes is the realization of just how poor most of us are. How many paychecks can most of us miss before we are out of our house? If we own one. BTW, wasn't it Ross Perot who was providing a Greyhound so he and his buddies could road trip to Canada and get their Lipitor cheaper?
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http://money.cnn.com/2005/02/04/markets/gross_social_security/index.htm?cnn=yes
"Without a blockbuster of a program in his second term it is unlikely that Bush can go very far in the history books on the back of a paltry 3 or 4 percentage point tax cut for the rich," Gross wrote.
"Presto!" he continued. "We now have partial privatization of Social Security heading the agenda upon which the president intends to spend his well-advertised political capital."
O, SNAP! He said legacy!
Oh, the wonders of privatization:
In one January 2001 telephone tape of an Enron trader the public utility identified as Bill Williams and a Las Vegas energy official identified only as Rich, an agreement was made to shut down a power plant providing energy to California. The shutdown was set for an afternoon of peak energy demand.
"This is going to be a word-of-mouth kind of thing," Mr. Williams says on the tape. "We want you guys to get a little creative and come up with a reason to go down." After agreeing to take the plant down, the Nevada official questioned the reason. "O.K., so we're just coming down for some maintenance, like a forced outage type of thing?" Rich asks. "And that's cool?"
Nothing like throwing the elderly into the market...i'm sure the market will look out for them. Happens all the time.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/04/national/04energy.html?ex=1107666000&en=01449ebf62df572e&ei=5070
You're welcome.
Run away to Canada!
Flee! Oh the horror of the evil tyrant, Bush.
He's sooo evil. I might have to actually plan
on getting old? I might have to take a minimal
step of responsibility for my own complicated
existance?! Ooooooooooooh NO!
I dare venture that nobody leaning right speaking above me knows much of sociology.
do I stand corrected?
" might have to take a minimal
step of responsibility for my own complicated
existance?! Ooooooooooooh NO!"
Tell that too all the people whoes 401ks dissapeared with the enron debacle, or other similar debacles...you sarcastic simpleton.
At least with social security, these people can afford dog food...
What I find saddest of all is who we are NOT hearing from who should be shouting the loudest; those who are already collecting SS. They are the ones in the best position to tell it like it is about growing older in America and how important SS is in their lives. It's almost like a "I got mine" attitude. Even I and my wife will be affected some but not as much as others if Bush is allowed to screw us.
Listen up kiddies. Ask mom and dad, or grandpa or grandma how much they get and depend on their SS payment. Now figure this in your future. Under Bush's leading privatization plan:
If you were born in the 1960's you'll get -15 percent less.
If you were born in the 1970's you'll get -23 percent less.
If you were born in the 1980's you'll get -30 percent less.
If you were born in the 1990's you'll get -37 percent less.
If you were born in the 2000's you'll get -44 percent less.
Now do you get the picture of who's bending over for the tax cuts Bush has enacted NOW for his RICH handlers.
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Or if nork gets his way, dog bones.
Hey! I resemble that...
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The answer is simple: move to Canada. You know you can have a birth in the hospital here and they don't even ask for your Visa #? It is all free (in a sense) and provided to you no matter what your income. I understand it costs about $7000 for a simple birth with no interventions in the US. Ouch.
-dd
Or you can be happy and make money off of t-shirt sales like the guys from homestarrunner.com
"The Bushies are about to launch a $50 million to $100 million propaganda campaign to convince us the Social Security system is in crisis."
Thanks Reps.
Well, we're starting to reap what was paid (and voted) for. This integrates well with the dismantling of our civil rights.
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