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Yeeeeeeeep, that's right. It ain't over 'til the fat lady has sung...and waffles are served for all.

First up - Social Security.

I bring you the following from an email I rec'd earlier today. Slightly partisan, but I though "What the hey...what's not lately?"

SO:

 

Subject: Social Security

We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like
a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the
handle.--Winston Churchill

SOCIAL SECURITY:

Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the
Social Security (FICA) Program. He promised:

1.) That participation in the Program would be
completely voluntary,

2.) That the participants would only have to pay
1% of the first $1,400 of their annual incomes into
the Program,

3.) That the money the participants elected to
put into the Program would be deductible from their
income for tax purposes each year,

4.) That the money the participants put into the
independent "Trust Fund" rather than into the
General operating fund, and therefore, would only be
used to fund the Social Security Retirement Program,
and no other Government program, and,

5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees
would never be taxed as income.

Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and
are now receiving a Social Security check every
month -- and then finding that we are getting taxed
on 85% of the money we paid to the Federal
government to "put away," you may be interested in
the following:

Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from
the independent "Trust" fund and put it into the
General fund so that Congress could spend it?

A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the
Democratically-controlled House and Senate.

Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax
deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?

A: The Democratic Party.

Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social
Security annuities?

A: The Democratic Party, with Al Gore casting the
"tie-breaking" deciding vote as President of the
Senate, while he was Vice President of the U.S.

Q: Which Political Party decided to start giving
annuity payments to immigrants?

MY FAVORITE :

A: That's right! Jimmy Carter and the Democratic
Party. Immigrants moved into this country, and at
age 65, began to receive SSI Social Security
payments! The Democratic Party gave these payments
to them, even though they never paid a dime into it!

Then, after doing all this lying and thieving and
violation of the original contract (FICA), the
Democrats turn around and tell you that the
Republicans want to take your Social Security away!

And the worst part about it is, uninformed citizens
believe it!

 

I haven't had a chance to fact check yet - I'm sure someone will. I deleted the "pass this on" part of the email.

Well? Agree? Disagree?

Tuesday, March 15, 2005 at 6:09:42 PM
JJ

Az, it is a case of uncertain references in your post, I'm afraid. You know what you said, but do the rest of us understand what you know you meant.

Rabban et al have called me on this. Kind of like bad spelling or lack of punctuation. Sometimes it's hard to figure out.

I understand your point about civility but I'm sorry, you get the whole person when you debate sometimes. Just asking people to be civil -- as you well know -- does not work and it never will.

I repeat again:

 

...on real limits: The netherworld of bad behavior is down a notch lower where Anony and Chong have been. No reflection, no consideration, just hubris-driven, highly charged ranting. Obscenity, spam, and name-calling for no reason.

 

Chong gets no credibility from me just because he's 14 either. He is habitual. One or two problems and OK but not the habitual thing. I will give him the benefit of the doubt because of his age. The door is always open for the prodigal to return, isn't it? Anony, I give no benefit of the doubt.

At any rate, ANY positive contribution is a good thing.

I don't have any problem with Chief starting this thread any more than I did with 44 starting the Swiftvets thread. It's been fun. I also don't have any problem sparring over ideas.

I do have problems with a "zeal for desecration" as you mention but tough-mindedness is not zeal for desecration.

So there are a number of possibilities aren't there? The "zeal for desecration"...the malicious sociopathic putdowns of an Anony...a tough-minded but civil debate...and a platonic discussion that tends toward abstractions.

I have never found anyone to be platonic for long. I prefer the tough-minded.

At any rate, thanks Chief for the $100 donation. Please note that I am "generous person." Please note that DanMac has been paying for this out of his pocket as well. (If you don't want to contribute, that's fine, but keep your reasons to yourself.)

Chief, I need to "dry dock" it as well. I got too much work stacking up right now. Let's hold a BBQ soon, Geechie. I'LL BE BAAAAAAAAACK.

Last edited: Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 3:23:54 PM

Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 3:21:34 PM

No I spelled the right word JJ. Look it up and get back to me. You made the abstraction on your own. For the sake of argument?lol Again, I was talking about the Gitmo incident and also pointed to a previous post. Use your degree C'mon. :)

Lol Ya know JJ your starting to sound just like congress. No wonder nothing ever gets done.
No wonder Stinky's so riled. Geez. You're foolish here.

And say what?

Contribute? Too many hungry people. Keep what to myself? Why did you say that? I'd rather buy a bag of food for the needy. I can count on others here to fund the site. That's my reason. No *^%, thats what I do. Give me a break. You have a problem with that? Oh I'm so ashamed.

 

Last edited: Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 5:16:02 PM

Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 4:56:44 PM
JJ

...just in recognition of Chief's over-the-top contribution before I take a break and too much time passes to recognize it. It was important to me to do that.

It was not intended to gig you or provide a soapbox for anyone to dis PTT.

I apologize if it angered you.

Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 7:47:50 PM
JJ

In the world of no-good-deed-goes-unpunished, this from the Times:

W. Mark Felt's disclosure that he was Deep Throat has sparked a debate about whether he should be praised as a hero for leaking information to The Washington Post or condemned as a traitor for going outside the legal system.

It was Felt who helped bring down Bush…. Oh gosh…I mean Nixon.

If you had inside scoop to bring down the presidency, which would you...

B. Call a press conference, tell all, and then resign, and watch it unfold.
A. Drop tips to reporters and stay undercover.
E. Go to the office copier and smush your face into the glass and make ugly face copies.

Last edited: Thursday, June 02, 2005 at 7:17:56 AM

Thursday, June 02, 2005 at 7:16:46 AM
JJ

To help you internet-heads with your insularity, this from Hurl's milblog:

 

"I finally have access to the internet again. I’m sitting here reading an AP story titled: US-Iraq Battle Touches on Syrian Border. For some reason, the MSM [Main Stream Media] apparently still thinks we’re fighting Iraqis. Perhaps they’re out of touch…. Perhaps they’re cowering to threats…. Perhaps they have an anti-American agenda. The truth is that we haven’t been fighting against Iraq since the Spring of 2003. What we have been fighting are the variety of Islamofacist hoards attempting to take control of a freshly liberated Iraq and return it to the previous era of oppression and cruelty.

"Why don’t they report that we are fighting WITH Iraqis? Why don’t they report that a significant number of “insurgents” and “militants” are made up of Syrians, Jordanians, Saudis, Pakistanis, Egyptians, and Iranians? Why don’t they report how these guys terrorize the local Iraqi populace with horrific torture, rape, and murder? Why don’t they report how the “militants” set hospitals on fire, or hide in schools, or grab children on playgrounds and use them as human shields?

"At one time I gave lefty and MSM types the benefit of the doubt. No longer. I have seen what goes on around here first hand and I know much of the MSM has seen it too. If they haven’t – they aren’t doing their job. I think they want us to lose. I think they want Iraq to lose. I think they are propaganda puppets of nihilist chaos..."

 

By a helicopter pilot presently in Iraq, one of large number of military person blogs up.

 

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Thursday, June 02, 2005 at 7:33:43 AM

Wow - thanks JJ for reminding me this is still here!

Incidentally- I would probably just run up my expense account, accumulate as much paid vacation and cool office supplies as possible, and use my information to finagle a weekend at Camp David and a menage a trois with the Bush twins out of the White House.

But then again - that's just me.

Hot dogs for lunch all!

 

YOUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK

"The next time a politician or activist whines about cutting 'necessary' spending from the federal budget, consider the federal grant Vermont wasted by putting 'Buckle-up in Vermont' ads on billboards deep in New Hampshire and Massachusetts.

"Washington gave Vermont $24,000 to raise its seat belt usage rate, which was nearly 80 percent last year. Vermont's governor's highway safety program decided to spend the money on billboards - you know, those big outdoor signs Vermont bans from the roadsides of major highways.

"The story gets dumber from there. There were no available billboards in Vermont. So instead of sending the money back to Washington Jeannie Johnson, coordinator of the governor's highway safety program, bought ads on billboards in New Hampshire and Massachusetts - billboards nowhere near the Vermont border."

- Manchester Union-Leader editorial, 5/26/05

 

 

Last edited: Thursday, June 02, 2005 at 9:30:30 AM

Thursday, June 02, 2005 at 9:27:18 AM

Wait a second - I have a few more leftovers in the fridge......

 

FILI-BLUSTER POP QUIZ!!!

A burglar breaks into your house and steals $500. Outraged, you declare, "I am going to put new locks on the doors, install an alarm, and sue that burglar to get my money back!"

The burglar, who happens to be your next door neighbor, asks, "Don't you think that's a little extreme?"

You hesitate, "Well...uh...I don't know...."

The burglar proposes: "How about this? I'll give you back $300. You promise not to change the locks or install an alarm, and don't go to the cops with this. In return, I promise that I won't break into your house and steal from you anymore unless I really, really need the money."

If that sounds like a good deal to you, you may be qualified to be a Republican member of the Senate.

- by Owen Courreges at www.lonestartimes.com

 

 

Thursday, June 02, 2005 at 9:31:56 AM

If Che' Stink is still around, would love to hear his opinion on this:

 

DUMBING DOWN OUR KIDS

"I am a retired Computer Scientist and have taught CS at the university level for over 20 years. The quality of student has been steadily declining. The last class I taught, a third-year class in a computer language called C++, I had to fail half the class. One student comes particularly to mind. She handed in slightly over half of her lab work, and the labs were all several weeks late. She failed both the mid-term and the final.

"When she failed the course she said to me, 'I don't know why I failed. I tried my best.' This student had gone through school believing that it was not necessary to achieve, only to try. Trying ones' best is, of course, purely subjective. Where once students were taught to strive for excellence, they are now being taught that results do not matter, only trying. It's OK to fail. Don't bother to learn from your mistakes and do it right; forget it and just move on."

- George J. Dekelbaum

 

 

Thursday, June 02, 2005 at 9:33:54 AM

 

 

STUPIDITY VIRUS STRIKES BRITISH DOCTORS

"A team from West Middlesex University Hospital said violent crime is on the increase - and kitchen knives are used in as many as half of all stabbings. They argued many assaults are committed impulsively, prompted by alcohol and drugs, and a kitchen knife often makes an all too available weapon.... The researchers say legislation to ban the sale of long pointed knives would be a key step in the fight against violent crime."

- BBC News, 5/26/05

 

I hope no one gets killed with a TV remote control....

Thursday, June 02, 2005 at 9:37:06 AM

Wait a second - almost forgot to fet out some appetizers:

 

A TALE OF TWO ABUSES

"Abuse at Abu Ghraib prison - where no one was killed or even hurt - was given massive attention; Saddam's mass graves precious little. The news media's double standard is clear..."

- Columnist Jack Kelly

 

 

Thursday, June 02, 2005 at 9:41:31 AM

Okay - now for something completely different:

 

DEATH OF A MARINE
By Jeff Jacoby
The Boston Globe
Sunday, May 29, 2005

Monday night, in a special Memorial Day broadcast of ''Nightline," Ted Koppel will call the roll of the more than 900 US troops who have died in Iraq and Afghanistan during the past 12 months. As each name is read, viewers will see a photograph of the fallen soldier. Executive producer Tom Bettag says the program is meant to remind Americans, ''regardless of their feelings about the war, that the men and women who have given their lives in our behalf are individuals with names and faces." When ABC aired a similar "Nightline" in April 2004, it was accused in some quarters of trying to inflame antiwar sentiment for political purposes. In the event, it proved a solemn and respectful tribute, and there has been no controversy this year.

Long lists of soldiers killed in wartime can have great emotional power, as anyone who has been to the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington can attest. However dignified and moving, though, in the end such a listing can really describe them only as a group: *They wore the uniform and died in the service of their country.* But who they were individually, how they served, what they left behind -- that is more than a catalogue of names can convey.

So here is the story behind just one of the names ''Nightline" will enumerate on Memorial Day: Sergeant Rafael Peralta of Alpha Company, 1st Battalion, 3d Marines. He was killed in action on Nov. 15 during Operation Dawn, the epic battle to retake the Sunni stronghold of Fallujah.

What follows is chiefly based on an account by Marine Lance Corporal T.J. Kaemmerer, a combat correspondent who took part in the operation that cost Peralta his life. Reports also appeared in the Los Angeles Times, The Marine Corps Times, The San Diego Union Tribune, and on ABC News.

On the day he died, Rafael Peralta was 25 years old, a Mexican immigrant from San Diego who had enlisted in the Marines as soon as he became a legal resident. He earned his citizenship while on active duty and re-upped in 2004. He was a Marine to the core, so meticulous that when Alpha Company was training in Kuwait, he would send his camouflage uniform out to be pressed.

He was no less passionate about his adopted country: His bedroom wall was adorned with a picture of his boot camp graduation and replicas of the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights. ''Be proud of being an American," he wrote to his kid brother Ricardo, 14. ''Our father came to this country and became a citizen because it was the right place for our family to be." It was the first letter he ever wrote to Ricardo -- and the last. It arrived in San Diego the day after he died.

The Marines of the 1/3 were on the front lines in Fallujah, purging the city of terrorists in house-to-house combat. As a platoon scout, Peralta could have stayed back in relative safety. Instead, as was often the case, he volunteered to join the assault team.

On the morning of Nov. 15, one week into the battle for Fallujah, his squad had cleared three houses without incident. They approached a fourth, kicking in two locked doors simultaneously and entering both front rooms. They found them empty. Another closed door led to an adjoining room. As the other Marines spread out, wrote Kaemmerer, ''Peralta, rifle in hand, tested the handle." It wasn't locked. He threw open the door, preparing to rush in -- and three terrorists with AK-47s opened fire. He was shot multiple times in the chest and face. As he fell, severely wounded, he managed to wrench himself out of the doorway to give his fellow Marines a clear line of fire.

The gunfire was deafening. To the sound of the terrorists' AK-47s was added the din of the Marines' M16 rifles and Squad Automatic Weapon, a machine gun. The battle was raging, with Peralta down and bleeding heavily and the other Marines firing at the enemy in the back room, when, in Kaemmerer's words, ''a yellow, foreign-made, oval-shaped grenade bounced into the room, rolling to a stop close to Peralta's nearly lifeless body."

As the other Marines tried to flee, Peralta reached for the grenade and tucked it into his gut. Seconds later, it exploded with such force that when his remains were returned to his family for burial, they were able to identify him only by the tattoo on his shoulder. His five comrades-in-arms, shielded from the worst of the blast by Peralta's last act as a Marine, survived.

** ** ** **

''Right now, people are really nice and everything," Peralta's 12-year-old sister Karen told a reporter 10 days after her brother's death. ''But I know that when it comes to later on, they are going to forget him. They're going to forget about him."

No, Karen. The Marines, always faithful, do not forget their heroes. And neither does the grateful nation that pauses to honor them this week -- the nation Rafael Peralta loved so deeply, and for which he gave his last full measure of devotion.

 

 

Thursday, June 02, 2005 at 9:44:06 AM
JJ

Chief cleaned out the frig!

 

Don't bother to learn from your mistakes and do it right; forget it and just move on.

 

Not to use sharp instrument, but can't resist a humorous jab at ^. MoveOn.org?

To reinforce quote on Tale of Abuses, from Thomas Friedman (love this guy) from May 18 editorial in my favorite (liberal) MSM, the NYT:

 

...not one protest has taken place anywhere in Muslim world over mass murders, desecrations and dismemberments of hundreds of innocent Muslims by Muslim suicide bombers in Iraq in last month...no fatwa from outside Iraq condemning indiscriminate mass killings by jihadists, many from Saudi Arabia...

 

...nor any here.

But, ack, Chief, that last story is too real...

 

Last edited: Thursday, June 02, 2005 at 10:52:09 AM

Thursday, June 02, 2005 at 10:30:40 AM
JJ

MSNBC says pee trickling through a vent to a Quran and prisoner (the dynamics of urine flow???) exonerates Newsweek.

I really, really can’t believe this…

Newsweek did not -- and does not even now! -- take into account that their words inflame things way out of proportion.

They still bought it and still don't get it.

And they originally anchored their rumor-mill column on a shaky source. Who backed out. Exonerated from that?...that’s a no-no of Journalism 101.

"Just shows that the White House is a bunch of strong-arm manipulators."

Nope.

We showed Saddam's dead sons. We paraded Saddam after capture. These were culturally offense blind spots to the Muslim world that The White House and military are guilty of.

But whirling the Quran down the john as the top angle on a news story! And the British tabloid showing Saddam in his underwear. Brit media, I’m sorry, really ain’t it anyway.

Use the PENTAGON report. You can go lower.

Oh yeah, let the guard loose or discipline the guard??? Us good conservatives would let him free...not.

Here now, nothing justifies nothing. Sad all around.

Last edited: Friday, June 03, 2005 at 6:43:07 PM

Friday, June 03, 2005 at 5:51:16 PM

Lunch you say? Well - I DO have a few minutes before my plane boards....I am sure I can find something for breakfast for you. But beware......this ain't just the bowl of Wheaties that Katie and Matt are going to be serving up here shortly. This is a bona fide full course "start o' the day" undiluted plain-presentation-of-the-facts-nothing-but-the-facts-ma'am grits, eggs, sausage, corned beef hash, pancakes Paul Bunyon-type breakfast that us conservatives snack on each morning.

(Doncha love big "gov'ment"?)

 

THE TITLE IX CRUTCH

"What's the difference between the WNBA (women's basketball league) and (Indy race-car driver) Danica Patrick? For one thing, she looks like a woman, and they don't.

"Then there's Title IX - affirmative action for useless women's sports no one cares about, like water polo and crew. WNBA players had Title IX to succeed, but are in season nine of extreme failure. Danica Patrick - the rookiette race-car driver who came in fourth at Sunday's Indy 500 - didn't have Title IX. They don't have it in racing. The IRL only has that amazing non-governmental program, called, 'The Free Market.'

"And unlike the WNBA, Patrick competes against the men on their own turf. And is succeeding."

- Columnist Debbie Schlussel

 

(Wait a minute.....you mean I'm NOT the only guy that has to work all day and then go vote??!! Whodathunkit. ps - Howie....please run for Prez in '08 )

 

THE MOUTH THAT ROARED

"Well, Republicans, I guess, can (stand in line at the polls waiting to vote) because a lot of them have never made an honest living in their lives. But for ordinary working people, who have to work eight hours a day, they have kids, they got to get home to those kids. The idea of making them stand for eight hours to cast their ballot for democracy is wrong."

- DNC Chairman "Howling" Howard Dean

 

(If you're interested, I can throw a cold plate of biased media in the microwave.....)

 

NO HIDDEN MOTIVE HERE, RIGHT?

"The top leadership of Amnesty International USA, which unleashed a blistering attack last week on the Bush administration's handling of war detainees , contributed the maximum $2,000 to Sen. John Kerry's presidential campaign. Federal Election Commission records show that William F. Schulz, executive director of Amnesty USA, contributed $2,000 to Mr. Kerry's campaign last year.... Also, Joe W. 'Chip' Pitts III, board chairman of Amnesty International USA, gave the maximum $2,000 allowed by federal law to John Kerry for President."

- Washington Times, 6/2/05

 

(Okay -main course coming up.....wouldcha like a big 'ol stack of pancakes.....)

 

THANK THE FRENCH?

"At 448 pages, the proposed EU constitution is longer than the telephone directories in most big cities. It is more of a Socialist manifesto than a constitution...

"But the French voted against the EU constitution because it wasn't socialist enough. They feared the free-market ideas prevalent in Eastern Europe could threaten their 35-hour workweeks, six weeks of annual vacation, and heavy subsidies for agriculture and inefficient industries.

"...It isn't often we owe the French a round of applause. They deserve a big hand now, even though they did the right thing for the wrong reasons."

 

(Or some WAFFLES perhaps.....is stinky coming??)

 

THE TROUBLE WITH DEMOCRACY

"The trouble with democracy, for Europe's elites, is that every now and then the people won't do as they are told.... When the people say what their leaders don't want to hear, it's best to ignore them, Europe's best and brightest think. Countries that vote no (on the EU constitution) will have to hold additional referenda until they deliver the 'right' answer, said Luxembourg's Jean Claude Juncker, who holds the EU's rotating presidency."
- Columnist Jack Kelly

 

(Just in case you still have some room -------I happen to have a warm baked loaf of the proverbial left wing "bread and butter")

 

LIBERAL NIRVANA

"Forgive me for making a blunt and obvious point, but events in Western Europe are slowly discrediting large swaths of American liberalism. Most of the policy ideas advocated by American liberals have already been enacted in Europe: generous welfare measures, ample labor protections, highly progressive tax rates, single-payer health care systems, zoning restrictions to limit big retailers, and cradle-to-grave middle-class subsidies supporting everything from child care to pension security. And yet far from thriving, continental Europe has endured a lost decade of relative decline."

- New York Times columnist David Brooks

 

(Ooooops....forgot the butter.....)

 

TURNER-VISION

"Who won the Cold War? By now most people agree that it was largely Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher and Pope John Paul II, though some still claim that Mikhail Gorbachev let the good guys win. But CNN founder Ted Turner insists that much of the credit should go to...CNN founder Ted Turner.

"Ted Turner-founded CNN reports: 'Turner, not known for his modesty, credited his own efforts for helping to end the Cold War, and noted that he launched the Goodwill Games in 1986 as a way to ease international tensions through sports competition. 'I thought, between sports and news and television and friendship, that you could end the Cold War and, by God, we did,' he said.'

"CNN adds that Turner 'acknowledged that the size of his role is unclear.' It seems pretty clear to us."

- James Taranto, Best of the Web, 6/2/05

 

(Or was that fruitcake......????)

All right guys - gotta catch my flight. Flea - you got kitchen duty.

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Monday, June 06, 2005 at 3:02:40 AM
JJ

From the Letterman show. Top ten ways to cheer up Saddam:

Nuuuuuuumber 10: Let him oppress just one Kurd a few hours a week

9. Surprise him with a year's supply of mustache dye

8. Bring him his old "World's Greatest Dictator" mug

7. Laugh at his impression of Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad

6. Give him a collection of hilarious "Yo mullah's so fat" jokes

5. Remind him his one permitted phone call saved him 15% on his car insurance

4. Membership in the "Falafel of the Month Club"

3. Show him some of them "Hey, Vern" movies

..you'll have to look up the last two... %)

 

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Tuesday, June 07, 2005 at 10:02:45 AM
JJ

...jump to page 7

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Wednesday, June 08, 2005 at 8:26:42 AM
JJ

For a really good milblog or military blogger, again I say, here is one of my favorites:

Hurl's Blog

He is a combat helicopter pilot presently in Iraq.

One qualifier. I chose this one because he writes "on his feet." IOW, he thinks and writes well and doesn't just tow the party line. Some milblogs do.

Constrast MoveOn.org's...

 

Uncovered: The Whole Truth about the Iraq War
Lieutenant General William E. Odom, U.S. Army (Ret.) – “This is far graver than Vietnam. There wasn't as much at stake strategically, though in both cases we mindlessly went ahead with the war that was not constructive for US aims. But now we're in a region far more volatile, and we're in much worse shape with our allies." How did we get into this mess? Check out the documentary that MoveOn.org helped launch.

 

...with Hurl's "CNN Morale Buster"

I wonder why the big difference?

Last edited: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 at 9:15:22 AM

Wednesday, June 08, 2005 at 8:33:12 AM
JJ

^^^ Interesting list of quotes, Chief.

While I am not sure I agree with the "Title IX Crutch" excerpt, you beat me to the David Brook's quote.

Additionally, Brooks remarks that:

 

"The Western European standard of living is about a third lower than the American standard of living, and it's sliding."

 

Also,

 

"European output per capita is...about on par with Arkansas."

 

Nothing against Razorbacks, but it is about 46th out of 50 in output.

Ho hum, there lies the Europe-will-eat-the-US-for-lunch-soon snack tidbit. RIP.

BTW, Brooks is a MSM (Main Stream Media) columnist for...a big newspaper. That stinking New York Times. Love free speech...

 

Last edited: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 at 9:13:52 AM

Wednesday, June 08, 2005 at 9:08:30 AM

Found this little link at about.com

Who Republicans and Democrats Are .

Edit: My main point of supplying this link is to show that Republicans aren't the uneducated fools SOME people here like to stereotype them as being. I thought the rest was generally interesting as well.

Last edited: Thursday, June 09, 2005 at 2:31:42 PM

Thursday, June 09, 2005 at 12:27:11 PM

I can't stand republican's or democrats, to me that poses a corrupt situation either way, because both are beurocratic machines driven be money and power. Everyone eventually becomes corrupt when they are defined into such opposing groups and expected to play on a set ground. That is why you must declare yourself an independent, and then chose the values from either side that you are most drawn to, or you feel are most benefitial to the world at large. AS long as people continue to attack others based on party lines, nothing will ever be achieved outside of party lines. Friendly debate over exact issues is benefitial to the developement of thought. Name calling due to party leanings is immature and will only help increase the animosity that is steadily growing in the US.

Thursday, June 09, 2005 at 12:53:22 PM

 

 


Hello,

I'm writing to ask you to join me in signing a MoveOn PAC petition demanding real answers from President Bush regarding the "smoking gun" Downing Street Memo.

To help get the truth about why we invaded Iraq, please sign this letter today.

http://www.moveonpac.org/tellthetruth/

The Downing Street memo is called a "smoking gun" because it contains the minutes from a British cabinet meeting in July of 2002, 6 months before the war began. During that meeting high ranking British officials reported that the Bush administration admitted it was already determined to invade Iraq, and was "fixing" intelligence about WMD's to justify the war.

This, of course, contradicts everything President Bush has told us about how he chose war as a last resort, and made that decision because he thought he had solid intelligence about the Iraqi WMD threat.

Bush has refused to even respond to the memo, but after Tony Blair's visit this week the pressure is really building. Representative John Conyers of Michigan is gathering 500,000 signatures and comments from American voters to take directly to President Bush at the White House gates and demand real answers. Please sign today and help get out the truth.

http://www.moveonpac.org/tellthetruth/

Thanks!

 

 

Thursday, June 09, 2005 at 1:21:29 PM

 

 

Hillary Clinton Book Rushed Into Print;
Vanity Fair Report Due Out

NewsMax has learned that a new book about Hillary Clinton is being rushed into print months ahead of schedule and Vanity Fair magazine will soon publish an excerpt of the work.

Publishing insiders say the book and its revelations could destroy her bid to run for the presidency in 2008.

The tell-all book by Edward Klein, "The Truth About Hillary: What She Knew, When She Knew It, and How Far She'll Go to Become President," was originally slated for publication in September.

Editor's Note: NewsMax will be among the first to offer this book - reserve your copy - Go Here Now.

But the publisher, the Sentinel imprint of the Penguin Group, has moved up the publication date to June 21 due to the "intense interest and speculation" generated by several media reports on the book, Sentinel spokesman Will Weisser told NewsMax.com.

Vanity Fair will beat the embargo with a special excerpt due out June 5, a source close to the publisher said.

The Drudge Report sparked interest in the book with an online story quoting a source close to author Klein as saying, "The revelations in it should sink her candidacy."

The online report created a storm of interest in "The Truth About Hillary" on talk radio, the Web, and cable chat shows.

MSNBC's Joe Scarborough claimed, "Its contents are top secret, but the sources say the revelations inside could torpedo Hillary Clinton's chances at a run at the White House."

The Washington Times followed with a report claiming the book will make new, nasty revelations about Hillary.

"Rumors that the book 'won't be pretty' and is brimming with 'new dirt' have circulated in the New York press for the past four months," the Times said.

The book's sensational revelations about Sen. Clinton may be difficult for her spin operation to torpedo.

Klein is no conservative hatchet man. He's the former editor in chief of The New York Times Magazine and author of the "The Kennedy Curse," "Farewell, Jackie" and several other best sellers.

Klein came under fire, however, for "The Kennedy Curse," a book about JFK Jr. That delved into the personal lives of John and his wife, Carolyn, detailing extramarital affairs and drug use.

A source familiar with Klein's book said his Hillary book will similarly offer a rare and provocative glimpse into the personal lives of the Clintons.

Promotional material released by the publisher of the 336-page Hillary Clinton book states: "Just as the Swift Boat Veterans convinced millions of voters that John Kerry lacked the character to be president, Klein's book will influence everyone who is sizing up the character of Hillary Clinton."

The promo discloses that Klein "draws on rare access to inside sources to reveal what Hillary knew and when she knew it during her years as first lady, especially during her husband's impeachment.

"It will also prove that she lied to America in her best-selling autobiography 'Living History.'"

Get your copy of "The Truth About Hillary" - Go Here Now

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Thursday, June 09, 2005 at 1:52:07 PM

@ JJ.1 (love that)

Thank much bro.

@ Rabby

I haven't forgotten you my friend:

 

"Click It supporters say tougher seat belt laws will help make highways even safer, but the nationwide trend toward safer streets has continued with or without them. Take New Hampshire, the only state without an adult seat belt law. Drivers there actually enjoy the nation's fourth-safest roads.

"...[T]he central folly of seat belt laws [is that they] don't protect safe drivers from dangerous drivers; they protect careless people from themselves. Beltlessness does not cause accidents and...one driver's decision to go beltless does not make anyone else less safe. Most importantly, running down seatbelt scofflaws keeps officers away from more important public safety duties."

- Columnist Ted Balaker in Reason Online

 

And for the folks that bit off on the Ho's moveon.org bit....

 

"The U.S. Supreme Court's ruling on medical marijuana gives new meaning to the term 'high court.' The decision was as loopy as the crowd at a Grateful Dead show. One does not have to be in favor of legalizing marijuana to lament the decision. Marijuana was not really the issue. States' rights were."

- New Hampshire Union-Leader editorial

 

And one just for general consumption:

 

"(Republicans are) a pretty monolithic party. They pretty much all behave the same, and they all look the same. It's pretty much a white Christian party."

- Democrat Party Chairman Howard Dean on Monday

"Yes, you heard that right. Howard Dean is accusing Republicans of being white. We most assuredly are not jiving you: Howard Dean - scion of Park Avenue, former governor of Vermont, a state that is 96.8% people of pallor - is faulting Republicans for being white, even though he himself is whiter than an albino polar bear with dandruff. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!"

- James Taranto of Best of the Web

 

And finally - why big gov't sucks and the border should be closed immediately:

 

"Gregory Despres arrived at the U.S.-Canadian border crossing at Calais, Maine, on April 25 carrying a homemade sword, a hatchet, a knife, brass knuckles and a chain saw stained with what appeared to be blood. U.S. Customs agents confiscated the weapons and fingerprinted Despres. Then they let him into the United States.

"The next day, a gruesome scene was discovered in Despres' hometown of Minto, New Brunswick: The decapitated body of a 74-year-old country musician named Frederick Fulton was found on his kitchen floor. The man's head was in a pillow case under the kitchen table. His common-law wife was found fatally stabbed in a bedroom.

"Despres, 22, immediately became a suspect because of a history of violence against his neighbors. He was arrested April 27 after police in Massachusetts saw him wandering down a highway in a sweatshirt with red and brown stains. He is now in jail in Massachusetts on murder charges, awaiting an extradition hearing next month."

- Associated Press, 6/8/05

 

 

Thursday, June 09, 2005 at 1:59:36 PM

But also from that article for Dean's benefit.

 

Racially, white Americans are more Republican, 34 percent to 29 percent. Blacks are staunchly Democratic, 65 percent to 6 percent and Hispanics are slightly less Democratic, 40 percent to 20 percent. The survey doesn't have statistics for Native Americans and Asian Americans, likely because those groups have relatively small populations numbers, skewing poll results.

 

So Republicans are 34% white, 6% black and 40% brown (of their respective populations). So while whites currently dominate, minorities are coming on board as well (How the race of a voter increasingly means less about how a person will vote

Thursday, June 09, 2005 at 2:38:39 PM

I don't think you interpreted those stats right Rabban. Take another look.

Thursday, June 09, 2005 at 2:51:50 PM
JJ

Quotes, quotes, quotes.

What's the source of the Hillary Clinton book quote, Chief?

Tally must have written his quoted letter...

Your first quote makes a good point, Rabbanowitz. The second quote's source? What in the world...

..."people of pallor" in Vermont, Chief. Too funny. With Dean, DNC presently has a lemming motif. To the cliffs!

But speaking of which, I getting fed up with RNC too at present. One big enormous budget and one big enormous transportation spending bill in it and nobody says boo...

Say boo. Stinker would have.

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Thursday, June 09, 2005 at 8:46:44 PM

@ JJ.1

Newsmax.com

The conservative version of moveon.org......

 

Friday, June 10, 2005 at 9:10:46 AM

And on and on it goes...just more shilling for corporations and the ultra-rich from our fox news duo. While these disengenious toadies amplify the fox news echo here and add their voice to the mass produced bromides of the machine, the fact of business is, the situations of real americans are getting weaker by the day, and have been getting weaker since the 1970s. Yet these two cling to their slogans...the middle class is being eroded away because of economics, bufoons. Not because they don't fully embrace jesus, or because their schools are teaching science. When corporations decide to pull up stakes and seek greener pastures in easily exploitable third world countries, they leave an economic vacuum in communities whoes impact is vast, pervasive and persistent. Corporations claim that abandonment of american work force is necessitated by a global economy. Yet their profit margins have gone through the roof. This is a matter of public record.

 

You know the story: For years now a relatively small fraction of American households have been garnering an extreme concentration of wealth and income as large economic and financial institutions obtained unprecedented levels of power over daily life. In 1960 the gap in terms of wealth between the top 20 percent and the bottom 20 percent was 30-fold. Four decades later it is more than 75 fold. (See Joshua Holland, AlterNet, posted 4/25/05 ) 
 
Such concentrations of wealth would be far less of an issue if everyone were benefiting proportionally. But that's not the case. Statistics tell the story. Yes, I know—statistics can cause the eyes to glaze over, but as one of my mentors once reminded me, "It is the mark of a truly educated man [or woman] to be deeply moved by statistics."

Let's see if these statistics move you.

While we've witnessed several periods of immense growth in recent decades, the average real income of the bottom 90 percent of American taxpayers - that's a heap of people - fell by 7 percent between 1973 and 2000. (ibid )

During 2004 and the first couple of months this year, wages failed to keep pace with inflation for the first time since the 1990 recession. They were up somewhat in April, but it still means that "working Americans effectively took an across-the-board pay cut at a time when the economy grew by a healthy four percent and corporate profits hit record highs as companies got more productivity out of workers while keeping pay raises down." (ibid )

Believe it or not, the United States now ranks the highest among the highly developed countries in each of the seven measures of inequality tracked by the index. While we enjoy the second highest per capita GDP in the world (excluding tiny Luxembourg), we rank dead last among the 20 most developed countries in fighting poverty and we're off the chart in terms of the number of Americans living on half the median income or less. http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20050606/losing_the_american_revolution.php

 

That from bill moyers who lost his job at PBS because of his overt skepticism of...status quo.

You may have also read the flurry of articles at the beginning of the week that chronicled how the ultra rich and running away from the just kinda rich, who are giving the rest of us a good rodgering. But I'm sure you didn't bother. Hacks as you both are. Who's interested in the big picture anyway when one's ideology is in fact all that needs preserving?

 

    Working families have seen little if any progress over the past 30 years. Adjusted for inflation, the income of the median family doubled between 1947 and 1973. But it rose only 22 percent from 1973 to 2003, and much of that gain was the result of wives' entering the paid labor force or working longer hours, not rising wages.

    Meanwhile, economic security is a thing of the past: year-to-year fluctuations in the incomes of working families are far larger than they were a generation ago. All it takes is a bit of bad luck in employment or health to plunge a family that seems solidly middle-class into poverty.

    But the wealthy have done very well indeed. Since 1973 the average income of the top 1 percent of Americans has doubled, and the income of the top 0.1 percent has tripled.

    Why is this happening? I'll have more to say on that another day, but for now let me just point out that middle-class America didn't emerge by accident. It was created by what has been called the Great Compression of incomes that took place during World War II, and sustained for a generation by social norms that favored equality, strong labor unions and progressive taxation. Since the 1970's, all of those sustaining forces have lost their power.

    Since 1980 in particular, US government policies have consistently favored the wealthy at the expense of working families - and under the current administration, that favoritism has become extreme and relentless. From tax cuts that favor the rich to bankruptcy "reform" that punishes the unlucky, almost every domestic policy seems intended to accelerate our march back to the robber baron era. http://www.nytimes.com/auth/login?URI=http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/10/opinion/10krugman.html&OP=2a749a59/nwmenQ5EWQ3AqQ23WW5Q2BnQ2B..Q3En.7nj.nWGQ20bQ20Wbnj.KQ23ZXEDb|Q515Ek

 

What's that you say, worlds second richest man?

 

DOBBS: Are you surprised when you focus on the two deficits we just talked about, the trade deficit, and the budget deficit? The budget deficit is 3.6 percent of our GDP. The trade deficit is reaching just almost 6 percent of GDP. And the president is talking about reforming Social Security. Does that surprise you?
BUFFETT: Well, it's an interesting idea that a deficit of $100 billion a year, something, 20 years out, seems to terrify the administration. But the $400 plus billion dollars deficit currently does nothing but draw yawns. I mean the idea that this terrible specter looms over us 20 years out which is a small fraction of the deficit we happily run now seems kind of interesting to me. There is no question that the Bush Administration is ignoring the most serious economic problems facing America and that they are more interested in ideological driven issues. The most serious fiscal issues are: the General Fund deficit, the current account / trade deficit, and health care. Why are we talking about Social Security?

 

He also called the US a "share cropper" economy and said "the rich are winning..."

Hmmm.

 

RAQ: PRIME MINISTER'S MEETING, 23 JULY

Copy addressees and you met the Prime Minister on 23 July to discuss Iraq.
This record is extremely sensitive. No further copies should be made. It should be shown only to those with a genuine need to know its contents.

John Scarlett summarised the intelligence and latest JIC assessment. Saddam's regime was tough and based on extreme fear. The only way to overthrow it was likely to be by massive military action. Saddam was worried and expected an attack, probably by air and land, but he was not convinced that it would be immediate or overwhelming. His regime expected their neighbours to line up with the US. Saddam knew that regular army morale was poor. Real support for Saddam among the public was probably narrowly based.

C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. The NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action.

 

But these two gannon-ites masquerading as right-wing free thinkers can't swim in this water. Better to let lose some imbecilic tirade about socialism...all they can ever do when you question the policy of putting corporations needs above the public good. And then obfuscate with some silly liberal media stupidity.

Why did it take more than a month for the US press to report on the serious revelations in the Downing Street memo? don't know. Because they're liberal? And liberals would rather not pounce on their president? Maybe that's also why the liberal press took two years to bring up the fact that bush's oil lobby underlings edited scientific reports on global warming.

So yeah, I just came back to point out the obvious, and to bitch slap these two corporate toadies, and to let the rest of you in on something: when "debating" the right, don't bother appeals to reason. These anti-modernists, anti-urbanists are currently engaged in a tooth-and-nail deathmatch with modernity itself, and all it represents. Reason means nothing to them. Rather, give them the boot. That they understand...as they've been giving middle class americans the boot since 1980.

Their atavisitic backlash can't win. (http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?I=20050620&s=nichols). Their corporate spokesmen are falling from favor (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20050610-1048-bush-ap-ipsospoll.html)

In conclusion: the real lives of middle class americans are being destroyed by the ultra rich. The ultra rich would like you to think that the reason your economic situation is in the crapper is because of the loss of american values. These two toadie hacks, JJ and Chief are here to do their bidding.

 

The share of the nation's income earned by those in this uppermost category has more than doubled since 1980, to 7.4 percent in 2002. The share of income earned by the rest of the top 10 percent rose far less, and the share earned by the bottom 90 percent fell.

 

 

While corporate america and people who've inherited wealth prosper beyond your wildest dreams under republican politics, your schools are rotting from the insides out, and your farmland and natural resources...the very air you breath....it is all being auctioned off or destroyed. Your children inherit a record deficit, your grandparents are being culled from the herd: yet these two partisan hacks want to abstract: suffering and sacrifice is wonderful...so long as its someone else's. And while lower and middle class soldiers are dying over some bullshit hunk of sand, in an illegal war of our chosing, these two "patriots" make cynical remarks about the liberal press, defend christian fascism, and bush totalitarianism. For them, christianity and the free-market are indistinquishible. At their church, CEOs and robber barons have their place in stained glass.

 

 

Friday, June 10, 2005 at 4:17:17 PM

@ Stinky

Wait a minute - I never knew you moonlighted as a preacher? Can I get an AMEN!!!!!!

'Cause that's what is was - a sermon. Delivered from a pulpit of assumed moral and intellectual superiority. And that, my brother, is PRECISELY why it'll be a long time before the map is more blue than red again. The populace, as a whole, is onto that old worn out argument, because after decades of "the sky is falling"....it never fell. Don't get me wrong - I'm sure you'll have some folks switch parties (a la 1996 after the Congressional ass busting the Dem's received).....but the mass is moving right, towards the center, and the only place to find what we currently define as liberals will be in the history books, or maybe teaching at a public university somewhere...maybe anchoring the nightly news. The currently defined party's falling out of the mainstream, and will continue to unless Dean can find another Carter or Clinton to run...and we both know that ain't gonna happen. It was all the DNC could do to stomach Edwards. People can see right thru that shit, and the 2004 GE proved my point a helluva lot better than I can rambling on here.

For the life of me, I cannot figure out why liberals behave the way they do. Scare tactics, smear tactics, name calling - EVERY single one of them a sign of an ultimately weak argument.

Proof's in the pudding bro - we can both ultimately find some data somewhere to support our respective positions, but at the end of the day we all judge the greater situation as a whole thru the looking glass of our individual lives and status. Every four years the electorate of the US does just that, and goes to the polls. The result is.....well, you guessed it, a declining Democratic minority that just can't sell what it's offering and wants to re-invent itself. Why does something need re-inventing? WHEN IT DOESN'T WORK IN THE FIRST PLACE. (Insert your favorite Andy Griffith / Forrest Gump saying here.)

I find it funny that I am lumped in with corporate America and those who have inherited their wealth (Kerry, Kennedy, Rodham-Clinton) when I have busted my arse for every friggin' nickel I have. No one has ever given me a damn thing. I'm pretty happy with where I am...and I will go to my grave convinced that this country is the land of opportunity, for those that want it badly enough. Also....I, nor JJ, have ever mentioned any religious item or platform. But suddenly I'm a Christian fascist?

Dude, up to this point I really thought you were a thinking man and took your positions after serious deliberation. I'm not so sure I can take you seriously now...the post above is your Howard Dean "howl."

:(

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Saturday, June 11, 2005 at 3:29:03 AM
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Suck it up Chief. Stink made three points -- all of them well supported -- and you can't see past a few attacks.

1. The middle-class and poor have benefitted from this country's economic growth disproportionately -- horrendously disproportionately, in fact.

2. Social Security reform is motivated by strong ideological, not fiscal, considerations.

3. Bush manufactured false justification for a war and lied to the american people and congress.

A "Howard Dean howl", Chief? Come on. Refute his points. He's slapping the shit out of yours.

The mass is moving to the right, because the mass, like you, put ideology ahead of critical thought. This administration plays them, and you, like a fiddle.

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Saturday, June 11, 2005 at 4:21:50 AM

I disagree. The whole "you're being grossly misled" argument just doesn't hold water at the end of the day.

Just like this memo Stink's referring to. As wildly unpopular as the British participation was at home, you're gonna tell me a smoking gun like that stayed undercover for the better part of three years? The reason the media hasn't picked it up, is very simple....they got bit on the Bush Nat'l Guard deal and they recognize a red herring when they see one. Not that they haven't always had that ability...it's just that they now know that it's a poison pill. Don't believe it? Just ask Dan Rather.

Other than that, there's nothing really left to refute. He's making statements and accusations based on assumptions and drawn conclusions.

As I said before...the masses are moving to the right because the sky's not falling. Therefore, the reason for my previous statement:

 

The result is.....well, you guessed it, a declining Democratic minority that just can't sell what it's offering and wants to re-invent itself. Why does something need re-inventing? WHEN IT DOESN'T WORK IN THE FIRST PLACE

 

Since I'm up so early, how about I fix you up some vittles!

 

THE MEAN DEAN SCREAM MACHINE

"Last week's scandal was Deep Throat. This week's scandal is Dean's Throat. And, apparently, Dean likes the taste of his own foot."

- Ron Bonjean, spokesman for House Speaker Denny Hastert (R-IL)

"Leading Democrats tell the American people that they don't agree with the nasty rhetoric after each Dean cheap shot. John Edwards says Howard Dean is just one voice. Unfortunately for Democrats, Howard Dean is the loudest."

- House Majority Whip Roy Blunt (R-MO)

"Howard Dean reminds me of one of these old soldiers from previous wars you find in a cave somewhere that still hasn't caught up with reality."

- Sen. Trent Lott (R-MS)

"Howard Dean...has the sense of humor you expect to find in Vermont, which is not really a state but a collection of cheese and craft boutiques squeezed between New York and New Hampshire. The winters are so cold in Vermont that summer, which arrives in August and sometimes lasts for nearly a week, never can quite thaw everything and the governor's sense of humor remains locked in ice the year 'round."

- Wes Pruden, Pruden On Politics, 6/10/05

THE DUMKOPF

"According to the Boston Globe, Kerry received four times the number of Ds in his freshman year alone (than Bush received in four years of college) - one each in geology, and political science and two in history classes. If I have read this correctly, Kerry appears to have refused to release his Navy records not because of medical data which might have supported the Swiftboat Veterans claim that some or all of Kerry's injuries were minor, but because they contained an official record of his barely mediocre grades.

"Kerry could have chopped the Swiftboat Veterans advertising and word-of-mouth campaign off at the knees at any point by releasing these records, but he was more concerned that he would lose his standing as the intellectually superior candidate in the race than in responding to the attacks. Senator Kerry is one of those people who is more concerned about how he looks while doing his job, than he is in the job he is doing. A clear majority of American voters understood that."

- Rich Galen, Mullings, 6/9/05

(If I were a Dem I'd be pretty peeved about this)

OINK! OINK!

"There should never be another tax increase in this country unless and until our congress moves to end, completely and permanently, the orgy of pork spending that we witness year after year.

"Pork spending for 2005 reached $27 billion dollars. That's a 19% increase over the previous year. We could smother our bandwidth telling you of some of these pork projects --- but how about $70,000 for the paper industry hall of fame? Is there any excuse in the world for using the police power of government to seize $70,000 from the person who worked for that money... All to spend on the paper industry hall of fame?"

- Talk show host Neal Boortz

THROUGH THE SUPREME COURT LOOKING GLASS

"The commerce clause in Article One of the Constitution could hardly be clearer in limiting federal power to commerce 'among the several states,' not within a state. But in Gonzales v. Raich (medical marijuana), a 6-to-3 majority has stretched 'commerce to mean just what they choose it to mean -- far enough to let the faraway feds, not the close-to-the-people state governments, decide whether their ailing residents should be allowed to grow their own medicine under a doctor's care.

"...(T)he Supreme Court reasserted federal authority in Gonzales v. Raich on Monday, even in the 11 states that now permit marijuana when it is recommended by a doctor. The people in those states have spoken, and the Supreme Court told them to shut up."

- Columnist Clarence Page

"(Federal drug czar John P.) Waters takes the position that it is not medically established that marijuana uniquely grants the touted relief. Nothing is more infuriating to a person who has been relieved of crippling nausea than to be told he has not been relieved."

- Columnist William Buckley Jr.

 

 

Saturday, June 11, 2005 at 5:36:46 AM

Only in America are you considered poor if you.....

Drive a car that is 4+ years old
cook/eat at home
use dail-up
don't have cable tv
drive to your vaction(s)
shop at Wal-Mart
go to church
your kids have to share the bathroom
.....
.....

Man life is tough

Now compare that to a nation's poor where the
gap between the rich and poor is less of a difference.

T raider
.

 

Saturday, June 11, 2005 at 6:02:43 AM

Hey t raider,

Lunch is on!

 

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MOVIN' OUT TO THE FRINGE

"...MoveOn's events should be viewed by the media the same way events by the John Birch Society or Lyndon LaRouche are: They may be interesting but they are seldom relevant."

- John Fund in Political Diary, 6/10/05

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THE "HIGH" COURT'S LIBERALS

"The Supreme Court's liberal bloc -- Stevens, Ginsburg, Souter and Breyer -- ensured Monday with the support of Justices Kennedy and Scalia that people sick from cancer treatment will have to think first about a house call from the federal drug police before using marijuana to relieve their symptoms.... Liberalism to cancer patients: Drop dead.

"...If the Court's four liberals had ruled in favor of state laws allowing medical marijuana, which federal law forbids, that precedent would have helped conservative efforts to reduce federal clout in other areas, such as environmental authority in the West.... Liberals with cancer should take solace in knowing they will be vomiting to save the snail darter."

- Wall Street Journal columnist Dan Henninger

**************************
ILLEGAL ALIEN MURDERER CHEATS THE CHAIR

"Denver District Attorney Mitch Morrissey has agreed to spare the life of suspected cop killer Raul Gomez-Garcia in return for having him extradited to the United States. Mr. Morrissey charged him late Thursday with second-degree murder and criminal intent to commit murder in the first degree, instead of first-degree murder, in order to ensure that the suspect will stand trial in Denver.

"Mr. Gomez-Garcia, 20, was captured June 4 in Mexico in the Mother's Day slaying of Denver Detective Donald Young and the shooting of Detective John Bishop, who survived. Killing a police officer is considered an aggravating circumstance in Colorado that would carry with it the possibility of the death penalty. But Mexico's tough extradition policies prevent authorities from extraditing Mexican citizens who would face the death penalty or life in prison without parole in the United States.

"...The suspect was initially identified as Raul Garcia-Gomez, but authorities said Thursday that his name was actually Gomez-Garcia. He had been living in Denver for less than a year after entering the country illegally from Mexico."

- Washington Times, 6/11/05

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SLAVERY REPARATIONS

"For a host of reasons, reparations are a terrible idea -- unjust, illogical, and dangerous. Living white Americans bear no culpability for slavery, and living black Americans never suffered from it. It would be unthinkable to make individuals responsible for the wrongdoing of their distant ancestors, or to require them to enrich the great-great-great grandchildren of the victims.

"The overwhelming majority of nonblack Americans have no family connection to slavery in any case -- most of us are descended from the millions of immigrants who came to this country after the Civil War. But reparations advocates aren't interested in abstract arguments about justice and history; they are interested in extracting money from deep-pocketed corporations.

"...America long ago paid the price for slavery: a horrific Civil War that killed 620,000 soldiers, more than half of them from the North. It is as vile to insist that white Americans today owe a debt for slavery as it would be to insist that black Americans owe a debt for freedom. What the reparations extremists are demanding would make a mockery of historical truth and inflame racial strife. Their cynicism is toxic, and corporate America had better find the courage to say so."

- Boston Globe columnist Jeff Jacoby

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DEPENDS ON YOUR DEFINITION OF "FAIR"

"The (Canadian) universal health-care system--while considered one of the fairest in the world--has been plagued by long waiting lists and a lack of doctors, nurses and new equipment. Some patients wait years for surgery, MRI machines are scarce and many Canadians travel to the United States for medical treatment. In most Canadian provinces, it is illegal to seek faster treatment and jump to the head of the line by paying out of pocket for public care. Private health clinics have sprouted up even though they are technically illegal, though the provincial governments tend to look the other way."

- Associated Press

 

Is the last one for real? It's illegal to get private medical care in Canada?.

Saturday, June 11, 2005 at 10:30:05 AM

Yep Canada....our favorite neighbor to the north. I like them, really, but they provide an expert example of the flaws in Socialism. I don't know what it is in the big "S" that causes so many people to want to ignore the obvious gaping flaws and say it's wonderful. Some pervading intrigue is wrapped inside of it that pulls in many. But in reality, what is written above illustrates common situations when government has that much control.

No matter how you look at it, government will always be a small group of people controlling a large group of people--and getting a paycheck. People allways want power, and more money--it's inherent, so what you'll get in a socialistic system, where the governemnt is given more power than, say, a democracy, you'll get the governement thinking less of the people than one would want.

Socialism is inherently flawed, because it has people getting things for nothing, but not having to put out equally to gain it, unless they are forced, in which case it become communism. So you have uneven giving and gaining, which means that eventually there won't be anough to be given....this will cause, invaribaly, monetary fluctuations, and as the economy controls, in many ways, the force of a nation, the Nation itself will faulter. This may sound like a slippery slope, but it's historically backed, and fairly accurate as a prediction for any country that leans too strongly in that direction.

--Thought up by a wise politically minded 15 year old.

Saturday, June 11, 2005 at 2:32:28 PM

Filbert, quality rhetoric, but your post is flawed. Canada is the evidence supporting your claims? Has it slipped? Is it flawed? Has it's currency fluctuated drastically?

Saturday, June 11, 2005 at 3:00:45 PM

I was referring to the last section of Chiefs post above, at least that was what enspired my ramblings. The monetary fluctuations refer to my prediction for the future.... ;)

Saturday, June 11, 2005 at 3:03:50 PM

Chief, if you can make a point, I'd love to hear it. But so far...just hollow echoes.

 

Proof's in the pudding bro - we can both ultimately find some data somewhere to support our respective positions....

 

In the meantime, find me some data that show the middle class's earnings going up 75 fold in comparison to the top 1 percent's earning status.

Nice job keeping your head in the sand on the dsm. If you had any curiosity (which you've proven you don't) or integrity (that's a laugh!) you would have noticed a couple facts regarding it: the dsm cost blair scores of seats in the parliment and likely will lead to his ouster as PM within a year and a half. The DSM has not been disputed by any high ranking brittish official.

"The memo is not actually a memo, but the minutes of a top-secret meeting in Downing Street on July 23, 2002, when Tony Blair gathered senior ministers and advisers for a briefing on the Iraq situation. Among those they heard from was Sir Richard Dearlove, the head of the UK foreign intelligency agency MI6, who was identified only as 'C" that's from the times of london, the folks who broke it.

Your moronic defense "it can't be real, or why wouldn't we have heard about it earlier" is some of the weakest crap you've peddaled anywhere. Not even your fellow toadies at fox are denying its authenticity. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158228,00.html. of course, they take umberage at its relevance though. They're more concerned at questioning the people who are pushing the memo in the press, rather than the memo itself. I suppose it seems "partisan" to them.

"..at the end of the day we all judge the greater situation as a whole thru the looking glass of our individual lives and status." yeah, and congratulations on your tax cut...bro. Now, don't you have some more shilling to do for the corporate class? Toss about some tired crap about the right's broad appeal via its message of terror (fear) and free market (greed)?

 

 

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Saturday, June 11, 2005 at 3:10:07 PM

T raid:

 

While we've witnessed several periods of immense growth in recent decades, the average real income of the bottom 90 percent of American taxpayers - that's a heap of people - fell by 7 percent between 1973 and 2000. (ibid )

During 2004 and the first couple of months this year, wages failed to keep pace with inflation for the first time since the 1990 recession. They were up somewhat in April, but it still means that "working Americans effectively took an across-the-board pay cut at a time when the economy grew by a healthy four percent and corporate profits hit record highs as companies got more productivity out of workers while keeping pay raises down."

 

While your real income is falling annually, the people at the other end of the spectrum are concentrating greater and greater wealth. This statistic is unflinching...by the time your kids are your age, their real wages will be even lower than yours. But, credit will allow them to finance 4 year old cars they never pay off, and buy cheap plastic gugaws at walmart assembled by children in sri lanka.

Chief: assuming your motives have nothing to do with shilling for corporations -- then what are they related to? The statistics I posted are indisputable. The middle class is getting hammered while the rich get richer. Your motives for shilling for the politics that speed this process on are...? Because you get a bigger tax break when republicans run the show...that's all I can come up with. What you don't place into the equation is the dissolution of american society because of the dire economic situation the vast majority of your fellow countrymen are in. Current economic trends unmistakably favor the upper classes. While you fixate on your tax breaks, I fixate on the deficit my children will inherit because of your breaks. Simple math: this admin spends billions more than it takes in. Give aways for the rich, pass the bill onto the rest of us.

You posit a small minded dichotomy: republicans vs democrats. That's not what I'm talking about. But erect your strawman...comfort in old, familiar fights, I suppose?

So maybe you don't directly support corporate america's right to plunder and loot, but your indirect support has been bought and paid for by your tax break. How cheaply did you sell the rest of us out? Glad the sky isn't falling...on you. Statistics indicate that for more and more americans, the sky really is falling. Some people, distracted by financing cars they never pay off while paying the bank interest, and buying bells and whistles at cut rate big box stores, haven't fully confronted that reality as yet. And really: why would they? The corporate news fills their heads with stories of the "runaway bride" and reports box office receipts. Gas is cheap (at least by world standards), as are value meals. Cheap gas and cheap eats, and relatively cheap entertainment! How easily middle america is rendered docile. But these people haven't reflected that their parent's generation had more real buying power than they do. So many more plastic gugaws availible today! At what great prices! The logic of the market: walmart buys plastic shit from third world countries (who don't have pesky environmental regulations, or worker safety advocates driving up prices) and sells them to you cheaper than ma and pa businesses ever could. Ma and pa go out of business. Well, screw ma and pa if they can't compete. Logic of the market. The ends justify the means...ergo...your lack of concern over anything suggesting malfeasance with regard to iraq. Ends justify the means. The moronic logic of the market. So yeah, go shop at walmart: f#ch ma and pa! F#ck the third world! F#ck farm land! F#ck living wages. How do you like your cheap plastic trinkets?

Logic of the market applied to every issue. Makes us nothing more a nation of sales people, and consumers. America: the car lot.

 

America... Just a nation of two hundred million used car salesmen with all the money we need to buy guns and no qualms about killing anybody else in the world who tries to make us uncomfortable.
Hunter S. Thompson

 

Why else, during a time of war (remember? We are at war right now) would bush co be admonishing us all to buy buy buy...vs the exhortations of former leaders to conserve and ration during other times of national crisis.

Our leadership apply a one-size-fits all solution to every issue...education? Market economics....health care? Market economics...social security? Market economics...foreign policy? Market economics...

eveything must justify itself to the market, through the market.

Well, that's how the republicans want it...as do the republican-lite democrats. How glorious. How lofty. How pragmatic.

Yet, that's all you and JJ really have said in the thousands of words you have wasted in this forum.

(insert knee-jerk attack on socialism here as default reaction to any critique of the excesses of the market).

As a successful small businessman, the oligarchy has made a small place for you at the little people's table...and all you have to do is shill for them. You think you guys have the same stakes at the table? Don't delude yourself. So shill, sing the praises of the status quo. You know the tune. If you are having trouble with the words, turn on Fox news and sing along with them.

 

 

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Saturday, June 11, 2005 at 3:16:50 PM

And while you and your families increasingly HAVE to shop at walmart, because you can't afford to shop anywhere else...guess what? These douchebags are getting fatter by the day: (the number corresponds to their ranking in the top 10 richest americans...these turds all come in at number 4).

 


4. Alice L. Walton
Net worth: $18 billion (down)
Source: Retailing, Wal-Mart (WMT, news, msgs)
Personal: Inherited, 55, divorced
Hometown: Fort Worth, Texas
Undergraduate: Trinity University of San Antonio, Bachelor of Arts/Science
Only daughter of Sam Walton (d. 1992), legendary merchant who opened first discount store in Rogers, Ark., in 1962. Took Wal-Mart public 1970; explosive growth. Wal-Mart now world's largest retailer, with more than 5,000 stores. Alice raises horses on Texas ranch, not active in company. Retail giant now selling softer side after barrage of criticism over poor worker benefits, strong-arming suppliers. Family donates via Walton Family Foundation.
4. Helen R. Walton
Net worth: $18 billion (down)
Source: Retailing, Wal-Mart (WMT, news, msgs)
Personal: Inherited, 85, widowed, four children
Hometown: Bentonville, Ark.
Undergraduate: University of Oklahoma, Bachelor of Arts/Science
Widow of Sam Walton (d. 1992), legendary merchant who opened first discount store in Rogers, Ark., in 1962. Took Wal-Mart public 1970; explosive growth. Wal-Mart now world's largest retailer, with more than 5,000 stores. Helen not active in company. Retail giant now selling softer side after barrage of criticism over poor worker benefits, strong-arming suppliers. Family donates via Walton Family Foundation.
4. Jim C. Walton
Net worth: $18 billion (down)
Source: Retailing, Wal-Mart (WMT, news, msgs)
Personal: Inherited, 56, married, four children
Hometown: Bentonville, Ark.
Youngest son of Sam Walton (d. 1992), legendary merchant who opened first discount store in Rogers, Ark., in 1962. Took Wal-Mart public 1970; explosive growth. Wal-Mart now world's largest retailer, with more than 5,000 stores. Though not active in company, Jim is president of Arvest, Arkansas' biggest bank. Retail giant now selling softer side after barrage of criticism over poor worker benefits, strong-arming suppliers. Family donates via Walton Family Foundation.
4. John T. Walton
Net worth: $18 billion (down)
Source: Retailing, Wal-Mart (WMT, news, msgs)
Personal: Inherited, 58, married, one child
Hometown: Bentonville, Ark.
Son of Sam Walton (d. 1992), legendary merchant who opened first discount store in Rogers, Ark., in 1962. Took Wal-Mart public 1970; explosive growth. Wal-Mart now world's largest retailer, with more than 5,000 stores. Serves as a director. Retail giant now selling softer side after barrage of criticism over poor worker benefits, strong-arming suppliers. Family donates via Walton Family Foundation.
4. S. Robson Walton
Net worth: $18 billion (down)
Source: Retailing, Wal-Mart (WMT, news, msgs)
Personal: Inherited, 60, divorced, three children
Hometown: Bentonville, Ark.
Undergraduate: University of Arkansas, Bachelor of Arts/Science
Graduate: Columbia University, Doctor of Jurisprudence
Eldest son of Sam Walton (d. 1992), legendary merchant who opened first discount store in Rogers, Ark., in 1962. Took Wal-Mart public 1970; explosive growth. Wal-Mart now world's largest retailer, with more than 5,000 stores. Serves as Wal-Mart chairman. Retail giant now selling softer side after barrage of criticism over poor worker benefits, strong-arming suppliers. Family donates via Walton Family Foundation.
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/invest/forbes/P61243.asp

 

Selling out small business is the american way, and easily justified by market economics. I'm sure they like their billions of dollars you've given them looking for deals; but I say again, how do you like your cheap plastic trinkets?

 

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Saturday, June 11, 2005 at 8:47:15 PM

 

 

Selling out small business is the american way

 

 

Sam Walton (d. 1992), legendary merchant who opened first discount store in Rogers, Ark., in 1962

 

No, the American way is having a good idea, starting a small bissness, working hard,
and growing it to 18 billion dollars.

But I do see your point Stinky, after your have seven nice sweaters (one for each
day of the week) why do you need any more?

T raider

 

Saturday, June 11, 2005 at 10:27:56 PM

Amazing. Stink goes on for 3 days.
T Raider Prunes 1 line and....what? If you're going to do that, just don't bother. It's disrespectful.
Filbert: Predictions for the future haven't happened yet. I hope that wasn't a key piece of evidence.
Also, perhaps if you people understood why what's going on in very bad news, find things to read. I'm too tired to look, will in the tomorrow.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walmart
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/77/walmart.html
ps. Actually, why *do* you need more?

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Sunday, June 12, 2005 at 2:15:51 AM
44

Another Iraq "red herring"...

 

Memo: U.S. Lacked Full Postwar Iraq Plan
Advisers to Blair Predicted Instability

By Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, June 12, 2005; Page A01

A briefing paper prepared for British Prime Minister Tony Blair and his top advisers eight months before the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq concluded that the U.S. Military was not preparing adequately for what the British memo predicted would be a "protracted and costly" postwar occupation of that country.

The eight-page memo, written in advance of a July 23, 2002, Downing Street meeting on Iraq, provides new insights into how senior British officials saw a Bush administration decision to go to war as inevitable, and realized more clearly than their American counterparts the potential for the post-invasion instability that continues to plague Iraq.

 

Read on....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/11/AR2005061100723.html

Good to have you back Stink.

 

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Sunday, June 12, 2005 at 3:37:27 AM

@ tallly

I stayed on the farm
Stinky went and got educaded
give me a break :[

T raider

Sunday, June 12, 2005 at 8:44:11 AM

How will you keep 'em down on the farm, now that they've seen Paris!!!!!!!!

Sunday, June 12, 2005 at 1:37:32 PM

Tally: if you enjoy breakfast, thank a farmer.

T raid: that's not all im saying...there's more:

 

While corporate america and people who've inherited wealth prosper beyond your wildest dreams under republican politics, your schools are rotting from the insides out, and your farmland and natural resources...the very air you breath....it is all being auctioned off or destroyed. Your children inherit a record deficit, your grandparents are being culled from the herd: yet these two partisan hacks want to abstract: suffering and sacrifice is wonderful...so long as its someone else's. And while lower and middle class soldiers are dying over some bullshit hunk of sand, in an illegal war of our chosing, these two "patriots" make cynical remarks about the liberal press, defend christian fascism, and bush totalitarianism. For them, christianity and the free-market are indistinquishible. At their church, CEOs and robber barons have their place in stained glass.

 

These folks are getting fat...and have the nerve to tell us that there's no more of OUR money left for our kids and grandparents. The f@#king nerve!

 

 

Sunday, June 12, 2005 at 6:13:15 PM
JJ

Ah choo.

Excuse me.

Tuesday, June 14, 2005 at 6:57:32 PM

Bless you.

Hey JJ - you feel like going and doing some partisan hacking and shilling? Got nothing else better to do......

Wednesday, June 15, 2005 at 7:25:06 AM
JJ

Yeah, yeah

Just trying to be a good citizen right now and shoveling buckets of work out of the way.

My favorite quote on work from brother Ogden Nash:

I would live all my life in nonchalance and insouciance
Were it not for making a living, which is rather a nouciance.

...this stuff piles up knee deep around here and smells terrible when gets too old. Kinda like not scraping the old manure off the milking lot, you know, t raider? Nothing wrong with staying on the farm. It could be worse: you could be stuck in higher education for 8-10 years and then go to work at a Mickey D's kind of low wage. "Like that in a combo?"

Also, it only takes one lit match to explode a cloud of gas, so I see nothing wrong with one-liners...

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Wednesday, June 15, 2005 at 7:58:44 AM

Nor do i.

Btw: this kid graduated from the high school where I work two years ago...interesting email:

 

A lot of people seem so interested in what happened and I dont usually have alot of time to tell them..so for everyone who wants to know what happened..here goes..

On friday the...12 I think it was at around 1810 we had set up a VCP (vehicle check point) on the main highway here in iraq. We had just set up and we were trying to get the cars to come up, because whenever we just stop in the middle of the road, the cars stay back about 200 meters or else we shoot them. (by the way we ride around iraq in LAVs, light armored vehicles..they hold 4 of us scouts in the back, im sure you can look up a pic on google) anyways, we were waving our hands trying to get the cars to come when finally a gray opel car comes up..no one following behind..and then it starts to speed up a little. So me and my sargent, he was the first one guiding the cars in the baracades up to the search team and then myself behind him about 20 meters, start waving our hands to slow down..and then he speeds up. So I think somethings weird and then he all of a sudden turns into a direct course with my sargent so I raised my rifle, aiming in on the driver, when he explodes. The first explosion went about 15 meters from me, 5 meters from my sargent. I was blown down on the ground and to the side of the road. I got up and saw my saw gunner, who was behind me about 10 meters on the deck on the side of the road. I quickly ran to him turning him over and found that he was okay. So I ran back up to the road because I knew my sargent had to be hurt pretty bad. I ran back up to the road and all there was, was shrapnel and smoke everywhere. I started runing towards where I last saw my sargent when a second car, a white suburban came through the smoke using it as a smoke screen. The driver quickly saw me and turned right towards me. In all honesty, I stopped for a split second and thought to myself, "goodbye". I then turned around and tried to run away to the side of the road when he exploded right as I turned. I was blown back about 10 meters on to the side of the road, where it is a hill. I hit the deck and rolled down the rest of the hill when I got back up and again saw my saw gunner, and this time I knew he was hit. I quickly did what assesment I could and treated him, calling for the rest of my marines to come help. I then told my saw gunner that he was not serious and I needed to get back up to the road, for fear that my sargent was hurt even worse now. I ran back up to the road and looked around but I didnt see him. I thought he had been blow to pieces. I then saw him in the median of the road on his belly. I ran towards him and saw that he had a big chunk missing from his left buttcheek. I quickly treated him and did what I could until my marines came to help. I then started running back and forth treating my marines when some of them kept chasing me around trying to stop me because they said I was bleeding too. I did not stop until one of them, one of my combat lifesaver marines that I trained, pinned me to the ground and cuz my leg pant to expose the wounds I had on my leg. I did not want to feel it so I said im okay and tried to get back to my marines, but he and the rest of the marines wouldnt let me. The rest of my marines took care of what they could, calling in the medivac helo and making an LZ. Luckily another platoon arrived on scene, brining another corpsman to help my marines. We were all medivaced out on helo to our base and then to the air force theater hospital in balad, iraq. I sustained shrapnel injury to the side of my left knee, but none in my joint or bones. My saw gunner had a piece of shrapnel go through his thigh, just above the greater trocanter. And my sargent suffered the worse. A very big piece of shrapnel in the butt, along with one next to his lower spine, broken bones in his right foot, and a lot of pain. He was flown to germany on saturday night and I have no further word on his condition.

 

Yow.

 

Thursday, June 16, 2005 at 3:59:33 PM

Wow...

Pray to GOD for him to reveal himself to you.

Thursday, June 16, 2005 at 4:23:18 PM

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