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Hey chief.
kkb is doing great? Well, if taking a beating without knowing it is a sign of greatness...JJ used to call his beatings the "rope-a-dope." I think eventually you have to come off the ropes though...otherwise, its just a beating. I will say this for KKB: at least he takes his beatings gracefuly.
Yes, we have a lot to focus on internationally.
But our country is sick. Partisanship is at an all time high. You may not know it if you watch fox, but we've got some problems with our politicians. Serious problems. Some of them are going to jail...some of them are getting away with murder.
But the biggest problems we face is our undemocratic urge to be tyranized by leaders we chose to make into kings.
And yes, bill was impeached for perjury. Because he lied over a blow job.
And no, George isn't going to be impeached, because no one is going to ask him to testify about how he lied us into a war. Or whether or not he has to adhere to the constitution.
Once again you mention your indignity at clinton while showing your indifference to more egregious sins. Its stuff like that, that partisanship, that is ripping the a$$ out of this country, and making more and more of us raging mad. You are right about the rest of the world on the brink...we'll start paying attention to that when you all at least pretend to care about democracy here at home.
"Yes, Im offended!
"These people, by their actions, have demonstrated the essentially corrupt nature of their society and culture. Their behavior, which all right-minded people should be offended by, should be universally condemned. If anything shows that we are right and they are wrong, this is it. And I call upon all of those who agree with me to take action, while there is still time.
"To those who say that our side has also erred, I agree: there have been errors of judgment. But if anything our mistake has been to do too little and too late. We now need to wake up and respond to the danger that confronts us. In any case, to suggest that what we have done bears comparison with what they have done is itself deeply offensive and such sentiments betray the inner corruption of those who utter them. Some principles are absolute and this is one of them.
"Some have suggested that it is hypocritical of me to take offence at what those people have done whilst ignoring or excusing what some other people have done. Such critics thereby reveal their own inability to distinguish between those people and the other people (who have surely suffered enough and deserve a break).
"Others have intimated that I spend my time trawling the internet looking for obscure TV clips and articles in foreign languages to be offended by. Frankly, I find such comments offensive: the price of what we hold sacred is eternal vigilance and someone has to take on the responsibility of telling our people about the grave danger they face from those people."
;)
You are offended, I am confused
Could it be anymore ambiguous?
The Society of Nevermind has spoken. Resume normal programming.
edit: The Society of Nevermind would also like to acknowledge the dogged perseverance of non-member kkb. Please accept our semi-acknowledgement award for your tepid disinterest. We are most satisfied.
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Last edited: Monday, February 06, 2006 at 6:00:55 PM
A joke. Look at the source site, especially the comments at the bottom of the page.
One of the key comments:
"Its easily applicable to, well, anything else you like, too."
Over at Crooked Timber, Chris Bertram is offended. Its a beautiful piece of perfectly balanced prose that demonstrates how both sides of the Mohammed-cartoons fiasco are full of it. Its easily applicable to, well, anything else you like, too. So far, half the commenters dont seem to have noticed the satire
Last edited: Monday, February 06, 2006 at 11:14:40 PM
Hell - I've been offended.
@ Stinky-poo
My Bill comment was more of a fact straightener more than anything else. Sincerely wasn't intended to be partisan, although after review I can see why you would interpret it as such.
Seriously-no-shit wasn't meant to be.
Also - I think KKB is doing a helluva job taking on the tagteam of you and Tally without losing it. Say what you want - the man has the patience of Job.
@ JJ
Good to see you. How's the blog coming?
@ Tally
You know - they have pills now for your "semis".......
Chief: check!
JJ: check! However, you do have a history of being satirical and not knowing it...that's why I was confused.
@ stink
What's your take on the aforementioned shitstorm a-brewing? I am EXTREMELY curious as to your take on it.
Ah, which shit storm...aren't there several right now? If you mean this muslim shit storm...i already weighed in in paissano's thread some...
http://planetthinktanks.com/comm-thread.asp?thread=11944&forum=4
Last edited: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 at 12:00:18 AM
True. I guess I am referring to the spreading Islamic unrest in general on one hand, and the Iran "brown spray" blowing on the other.
You know me - my first question is really "is it factual or sensational?" Secondly - I'm wondering what happens when western Europe flares up.
Do you reckon Beavis has any TP?
The right isn't funny.
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Senate NSA Hearing
Opening statement:
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/cnn_pl_jud_wireptap_leahy_060206a_160_464x260.wmv
Then the douchebaggery begins.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/02/06.html#a7037
Dude A: Will you be lying today, sir?
Dude B: Yes sir, I will be lying today.
Watch this and tell me you have any respect for these asshats. Possible justifications for not being sworn in? Any creative thinkers on the right?
Last edited: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 at 1:30:40 AM
One more: listen to this crazy idiot.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/02/06.html#a7038
^ another satisfied fox news fan.
@ Stink
No prob. The benefit of the doubt is something I'll always extend to you.
@ Chief
Good to see you also. I miss the grilling out, but as the Flea notes the day's of sloganeering ought to be over. Someone tell Tally.
@KKB
Heeee Hawwww!
Hey JJ, how's this for a slogan:
You're dishonest and boring. Scroll up through this thread and you'll find that my post are some of the longer ones. I speak nothing of their quality. You no doubt have your opinion. Note the lack of plurality.
@ Tally
I note the length of your posts. And I appreciate the more thoughtful posts from you and Stinker lately.
I am aware of the DSM.
A few facts:
1. This latest memo was introduced only by Keith O. C&L promoted Olbermann. No other media paper/show in the country followed it.
2. The Guardian, the paper that broke the story, is no casual bystander. They campaigned to have Bush defeated here in US during the election. End of campaign
Guardian calls it quits in Clark County fiasco
By David Rennie in Youngstown
(Filed: 22/10/2004)
The Guardian yesterday ran up the white flag and called a halt to "Operation Clark County", the newspaper's ambitious scheme to recruit thousands of readers to persuade American voters in a swing state to kick out President George W Bush in next month's election.
This is same paper reported the latest.
But all that aside, here's my only boring observation. Your argument is:
Here is the DSM. Bush is a criminal.
How about a couple of premises? Like: This (fill in the blank) about the DSM is true. If the DSM is true, Bush did a criminal act for these reasons.
Then the conclusion: Therefore Bush is a criminal.
Now I'm not getting sucked back into a discussion in this forum. Just pointing out that the laws of logic govern reason, and, since you are a lover of logic, a little expansion on premises?
Last edited: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 at 6:15:24 AM
JJ: did you actually read that bit about the Guardian? Jesus, it was assanine writing. I find the whole thing suspicious. When I googled it, nothing but wacky blogs come up. Anyway, I googled this latest memo and I see things beginning to crop up in the american media. You may recall it took something like three weeks for the first DSM to even get mentioned here in the states.
And something like 3 minutes for ethical relativists/partisans to marginalize it.
Ok... Catch up
for the record, I don't get fox news
imagine if I did!
@tally I didn't answer your question because the
media doesn't impeach,congress does. But I will
concur.
Your question was...
If the media," gentleman on the right, "were as liberal as you say they are, then why could they get Clinton impeached for a moral error that injured none while Bush's war, killer of tens of thousands, a documented unnecessary lie, goes relatively unchallenged?"
I cannot believe that a person would send soldiers to war just to settle a score,
Or for some other trivial reason. I truly believe this was the reason....
It is clear that in the 4 years since the UNSCOM inspectors were forced out, Saddam Hussein has continued his quest for weapons of mass destruction. According to intelligence, Iraq has chemical and biological weapons as well as missiles with ranges in excess of the 150 kilometer restriction imposed by the United Nations in the ceasefire resolution. Although Iraq's chemical weapons capability was reduced during the UNSCOM inspections, Iraq has maintained its chemical weapons effort over the last 4 years. Evidence suggests that it has begun renewed production of chemical warfare agents, probably including mustard gas, sarin, cyclosarin, and VX. Intelligence reports show that Iraq has invested more heavily in its biological weapons programs over the 4 years, with the result that all key aspects of this program--R&D, production and weaponization--are active. Most elements of the program are larger and more advanced than they were before the gulf war. Iraq has some lethal and incapacitating agents and is capable of quickly producing and weaponizing a variety of such agents, including anthrax, for delivery on a range of vehicles such as bombs, missiles, aerial sprayers, and covert operatives which could bring them to the United States homeland. Since inspectors left, the Iraqi regime has energized its missile program, probably now consisting of a few dozen Scud-type missiles with ranges of 650 to 900 kilometers that could hit Israel, Saudi Arabia and other U.S. Allies in the region. In addition, Iraq is developing unmanned aerial vehicles UAVs, capable of delivering chemical and biological warfare agents, which could threaten Iraq's neighbors as well as American forces in the Persian Gulf.
Prior to the gulf war, Iraq had an advance nuclear weapons development program. Although UNSCOM and IAEA International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors learned much about Iraq's efforts in this area, Iraq has failed to provide complete information on all aspects of its program. Iraq has maintained its nuclear scientists and technicians as well as sufficient dual-use manufacturing capability to support a reconstituted nuclear weapons program. Iraqi defectors who once worked for Iraq's nuclear weapons establishment have reportedly told American officials that acquiring nuclear weapons is a top priority for Saddam Hussein's regime.
According to the CIA's report, all U.S. Intelligence experts agree that Iraq is seeking nuclear weapons. There is little question that Saddam Hussein wants to develop nuclear weapons. The more difficult question to answer is when Iraq could actually achieve this goal. That depends on is its ability to acquire weapons-grade fissile material. If Iraq could acquire this material from abroad, the CIA estimates that it could have a nuclear weapon within 1 year.
And I don't think Bush thought that was a lie.
Or this
He(Saddam) has supported and harbored terrorist groups, particularly radical Palestinian groups such as Abu Nidal, and he has given money to families of suicide murderers in Israel.
T raider
Last edited: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 at 6:54:47 AM
@tally I didn't answer your question because the media doesn't impeach,congress does. But I will concur.
What does this mean. Do you agree with my underlying message, or do you think I think that the media literally has impeachment power. I think you know I know better, so I'm not sure what you're point is.
I cannot believe that a person would send soldiers to war just to settle a score, Or for some other trivial reason. I truly believe this was the reason....
Firstly, reference your quote, please. Secondly, so where are they? I "truly believed" that the whole thing was garbage, and, monday morning quarterbacking now, The weapons weren't there, so, knowing that, what were we doing? We never even heard of traces of anything we had not sold them decades earlier . As for the part about settling scores...Come on man, open a history book. Human history...what is it without the repeated mistakes of idiots.
He(Saddam) has supported and harbored terrorist groups, particularly radical Palestinian groups such as Abu Nidal, and he has given money to families of suicide murderers in Israel.
Throw a dart at the middle east and hit a country that has its hands clean.
T, minutia: find a different program to compose in, or after you copy/paste, please fix your broken line rags.
JJ:
1. This latest memo was introduced only by Keith O. C&L promoted Olbermann. No other media paper/show in the country followed it.
The liberal media again, right? Olbermann is the only dude around who seems to put on a nightly show of not eating this crap that he is force-fed . Where is The other liberal in the room?
How about a couple of premises? Like: This (fill in the blank) about the DSM is true. If the DSM is true, Bush did a criminal act for these reasons.
Then the conclusion: Therefore Bush is a criminal.
Now I'm not getting sucked back into a discussion in this forum. Just pointing out that the laws of logic govern reason, and, since you are a lover of logic, a little expansion on premises?
If DSM is true, then Bush has violated international law, no? Yes? Trumped up war? No? Yes? I'm not sure why you're confused.
Last edited: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 at 6:11:29 AM
@ Tally
When I said I concur, I meant I agree I should answer the question.
Good for you, you didn't take the bait.
That quote was from Kerry talking on the senate floor.
Thats why the media can't go after Bush, Dems where
saying the same thing. They all had the same intelligence.
National Intelligence Estimate in October of 2002.
T raider
The same intelligence the administration was filtering to them, yada yada yada.
More on the "liberal media" and the DSM
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2511
The most widely circulated story in the mainstream press came from the Knight Ridder wire service (5/6/05), which quoted an anonymous U.S. Official saying the memo was "an absolutely accurate description of what transpired" during Dearlove's meetings in Washington.
Few other outlets have pursued the leaked memo's key charge that the "facts were being fixed around the policy." The New York Times (5/2/05) offered a passing mention, and the Charleston (W.V.) Gazette (5/5/05) wrote an editorial about the memo and the Iraq War. A columnist for the Cox News Service (5/8/05) also mentioned the memo, as did Molly Ivins (WorkingForChange.com, 5/10/05). Washington Post ombudsman Michael Getler (5/8/05) noted that Post readers had complained about the lack of reporting on the memo, but offered no explanation for why the paper virtually ignored the story.
The only way you could think of the corporate media as "liberal" is if you were constantly told so...by the biggest hacks of corporate media...Faux News.
Why is this ignored?
Last edited: Thursday, February 09, 2006 at 3:44:37 AM
Because Survivor hits season #12.
The TV Generation is sitting in their living rooms, where entertainment, newscast and advertizing is just a stream of images and sounds.
After a hard day at work and a long commuting, and back in an all-too-often dysfunctional home, the average american citizen just want to chill.
Interest in politics is small... Complex issues are beyond his capabilities.
More fun to watch 'You're Fired' with Trumpman. Or WestWing. At least in WestWing the story ends every hour and the plot is clear.
In one generation the media ecology will be transformed, and there will be less couch potatoes being silver spooned.
Not bad, for a canadian.
I hate canadians...they're all pacifists.
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New UK Memo: Bush to invade Iraq regardless of WMD's
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/02/03.html#a6995