This is just me thinking out loud.

I was just woundering if the theory that you cant go beoynd the speed of light can be disprove.
time to me is proof that you can go beoynd the speed of light because its is infinite tool of measurement.
there are elements of photon particle that can not be measure to produce the speed obtained by light.
the particles that give its positive ‘spatial’ momentum is not measured and may be faster than light. I
hate to think that there are limitions in our universe on how fast we can go, and I would like my great
grandchilden be able to fly around the universe like in star track.

Hmmm... Anyone???

Thought I'd toss in a few geek answers:
First off, be it a laser or headlights, the effect is the same when you turn them on while traveling at or near the speed of light: you, the traveller, will see the light move away from you at the speed of light. Period. Light speed is independent of reference velocity. The bystanders will see the beam move away at the speed of light with you traveling much slower behind it. This is because the rate of TIME is different between your fast moving ship and the stationary bystander.

Dark Matter. Still a theory, still undetected. We have calculated Dark Matter in order to compensate for the Universe's expansion despite our gravitational equations with the known, seeable mass. However, as the Pioneer probe is suddenly slowing down for no apparent reason after leaving the galaxy, some scientists are thinking that our current gravitational equations may be inaccurate for great distances. In other words, the concept of Dark Matter may be just a hack to compensate for improper calculations of gravity.

Unfortunately, the Pioneer was not designed to measure such things accurately, so its going to take some time before we get "long-distance" gravitational force calculations confirmed.

- Bomb…James Bomb

You said that you will see the light move away from you But you cant see anything going at the speed of light?!

P.s.
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Answer: Science Nerd. I'm a Controls Engineer who just reads way too much Popular Science, Discover, and the Discovery Channel.

You can see light move at the speed of light, of course. The point is that your time-rate changes relative to your velocity, so light will always travel at the speed of light from your perspective. Remember that whole bit about going on a rocket ship really fast and coming back to earth only to find that everyone aged 30 years while you were gone for only 1 year? That's what we're talking about.

Of course, it's when you travel AT the speed of light that no-one can figure out. Supposedly, that's impossible. Matter that travels faster than light are called tachyons, but only light can travel AT the speed of light. Weird stuff.

- Bomb…James Bomb

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Is it possible to go beyond the Speed of Light? Yes, yes it is.

Here is the Speed of Light > 299 792 458 m / s; ;) < Here is me standing beyond the speed of light.

If u go at the speed of light u actually go back in time I tried it it works XD
Kris

Well - if you're traveling at the speed of light and cut your laser on......and pass a bystander....then relative to the bystander shouldn't your laser be traveling at 2x speed of light?

Remember, you can't travel AT but NEAR the speed of light.

Okay, an example (using somewhat inaccurate, but easy numbers). Let's say you are traveling at 99% speed of light, and you send a laser beam in front of you. YOU will see the beam travel away from you AT the speed of light!
The bystander will also see the beam travel AT the speed of light! However, the bystander will see you only going 50% the speed of light. Why? Because time is moving about half as fast for you at that velocity.

Analysis:
1. Okay, so time is half as fast for you. The observer sees you going almost 50% the speed of light while you think you are going 99% the speed of light.
2. The observer sees the beam traveling AT the speed of light, which means that is moving away from you at 50% the speed of light.
3. Since time is going half as fast for you, the speed the beam is traveling from you will seem to be twice as fast as it was for the observer. So, to you, the Beam is traveling away from you AT the speed of light.

Conclusion:
Because the rate of time shifts relative to your velocity, light will ALWAYS appear to travel at the speed of light to every observer and traveler. This is probably a prime example of truth being stranger than fiction.

- Bomb…James Bomb

You had me at hello

Chief its very basic understanding and im only 14 lol u lose ok I'll explain in street cred terms kinda
a dud hijacked a plane flew it as fast as u ever seen nearly as fast as dat speed of light thing *wicked* he then fired his laser pen to blind da cops in fornt*scientific bit look away chief* because the laser is light it cannot go faster than the speed of light no matter what speed it sets off form.
I think thats more basic and dosent have the time effects that u probably get confused on
Kris

Eh, okay, now that even confused me. So, Kris, what DID happen when the "dud" turned on his laser pen while nearly at light speed? If your claim is that no light came out...then you need to read up on relativity a tad more.

- Bomb…James Bomb

No the light comes out but it cannot go beyond da speed of light as it is already light matter which have said even at the speed it is propeled at the face it starts from is not affected by the speed the plane is traveling at
Kris

Okay, lets put this in perspective:

If you are traveling inside a rocket ship near the speed of light, and you decide to shine a laser pointer at a wall inside, will the beam seem to travel slower to you if you point it to the front of the ship instead of to the rear? The answer is no.

The Earth is ripping around the sun at a good rate of speed. On top of that, the spin of the Means we are essentially "traveling" around the earth once a day. Try driving around the earth in a day, and you will understand that is a pretty good speed. However, no matter which direction you fire a laser pointer, the laser travels away from you AT the speed of light. There are no fluctuations.

It doesn't matter wether you are standing still or hurtling through space in a rocket. To your eyes, light will ALWAYS travel at the speed of light. Period. Well, unless its underwater, but that's a different story.

- Bomb…James Bomb

"in a vacuum" is the relevant phrase there, JB.

Nicely written.

I think u gt my words mudled up he shone the laser pen form outside if I siad that it would be corect I also know that it will only go same speed away form u unless u have a large gravitational pull ie blk hole I think

Ok this should be easier to understand NO MATTER WHAT YOUR SPEED LIGHT WILL ALWAYS!!!! APPEAR TO BE GOING AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT. If your going super fast an d you shine light it will always go at the speed of light light can not change speed for it is light you may be going almost as fast as light but when you shine light it can only go as fast as the speed of light for it is light. Does this help anyone?

I think what's so dang infuriating about light speed is that a person may actually understand it...but it still doesn't sound right when they explain it. :P

It's hard for me to tell if you understand because it IS a pain to explain, but I think you guys have the gist of it.

- Bomb…James Bomb

Ok, mabye I can possibly explain it better.......
When you are going nearly the speed of light, time for you slows down.
Time for you slows down enough so that if you shine a laser light it appears to you as "the speed of light".

Einstein has stuff to say about this....

2 laws written in the paper On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies by Einstein for those of you who care

Which means, the laws of phisics, what ever they may be, still apply, no matter how fast you are going.
This statement points out that there is a relativity principal and that the laws of physics are the same everywhare, no matter what speed.

Since "the speed of light in empty space is the same in all inertial referance frames" is a law of physics and that the "laws of physics are invariant in all inertial reference frames", means that if you are going light speed, the laser will seem to go light speed to you; If you see a person going light speed, the laser will seem to be going light speed as well.

Ha take that!

Hope this clears things up for people....

War

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Feel free to try to come up with a better solution than that folks................ :)

Ding Ding!!! We have a winner!!!!!!! Warfare!!! That is the exact definition.. B)

No it isnt. No human can go the speed of light. Some people belive that once you get to a certian speed your mater turns into energy. And you would break down. B)

No it isnt. No human can go the speed of light. Some people belive that once you get to a certian speed your mater turns into energy. And you would break down. B)

IF YOU TRAVEL INTO A BLACK HOLE - YOU'LL SURPASS THE SPEED OF LIGHT. ;)

Hold it hold it hold it. Ok I think I have another way to explain this. Ok the theory is that the faster you go, the slower things will appear in your eyes. So lets say your superman lol, you are running super fast so when your looking around everything would appear to be going slow. There is ONE! Definent speed of light that it can not go faster than. So here we go. If your in a rocket going super fast, because your going fast too your eyes things would appear to be going very slow, so when you shine light it appears to be going at a normal speed of light, and too anyone else watching since they are not moving fast there vision is not distorted but too their eyes it is still going at the speed of light, so when you go faster everything seems to go slower so you still see it at the same speed as people standing still. Now does this help?

Whoa whoa whao what?

Ok ok ok, has anyone watched clock stoppers? A disny film? The watches make them go near speed of light so it appears to them as time stopped? They are not "running" in the speed of light, their molecules are simply vibrating that speed. In other words...
if you are "running" at the speed of light, it will appear to you as if everyone stopped moving and you are running normally

Yes I have seen the movie and that is what I meant if you go fast everything around you appears to slow down. I like that movie by the way lol.

Here is something idiotic....... Notice the intellegent conversation we are all having, and yet... The name of the thread is mispelled...

@ JB etal.
What causes the slowdown of time for a traveler that is traveling at near light speeds? Is it your speed relative to time? Is it your speed relative to the speed of light? Or is it because of the type of "space" that you are in. Something is missing in my Flea brain. The big bang would have had to expand much faster than the speed of light if our estimates of the size of the universe and its' age is correct. There must have been some kind of primordial space that is different than it is now with all our physics laws and such.

To answer your first question....
time is perspective and relative...
but better yet...
time is a biological artifact...

In other words...
time is what you make of it....(time flys when your having fun...)

To answer the second one...

Did you ever consider the big bang as just a theory?
do you think it is actually possible for every individual atom in the universe to compacted into the head of a pin?
then the theory states that nothing was changing in these atoms, everything was the same, yet somehow it exploded.....
we have the effect (which is just a theory), but no cause........
then again, if the univers was the size of the head of a pin, what was it sitting in?
how did this pin head come into existance?

Mind blown yet?? This is why man created the video game, where everything is possible....
so stop worrying about how the universe came into existance and rot your mind out with some games!!!!

You will find out how the universe came into existance when you die anyway...why waste time figuring it all out now?

And another thing....
scientists come up with these extraordinary, outragous theorys....
and cant find a better name than
the big bang

"ouch! Mommy I just fell on the floor with a big bang! Waa"

Jeez, if I were responsible for naming these things, I would call the big bang

THE HORRONDOUS SPACE KUH-BLEWY!!!!

Almost anything would be better than the big bang...

How do you avoid a star when you are travelling at the speed of light. I imagine that planets are still very solid and brakes won't help very much...

Q: What happens when a very stoppable force hits an immovable object at the speed of light?

A: THUMP!

-dd

Ehhhhhhhhhhhh! <-- buzzing sound
wrong!!
a sun is not an immovable force, it has an orbit around a galaxy, therfore it moves...

It is, however, immovable if you were to say run into it with a jetpack on (or even a Galactic Cadillac) at the speed of light. I doubt you would move it more than a few inches before THUMP! Fizzle fizzle...no more Warfare. I dream of an end to War...

Peace,

-dd

Hahahhahahahahaha

I like it that all I will be doing is THUMP! Fizzle fizzle...
very simple
I was kinda hoping for a deafining explosion with Queen's "Anotha one bites the dust" to follow

Look the sun is already moving at a very fast rate of time
so no matter who hits it it will always be a "few inches" away from where you hit it

Actually, you might not even get the THUMP , just the fizzle fizzle. It gets pretty hot if you get too close. Just remember the time you fell asleep at the nude beach, and multiply...

whoa!!!!!
when did I go to a nude beach?!?!?!?
did I take any pictures?!?!?
if I did, where did I put them?!?!?!
and what the *CENSORED* did I multiply?!?!?!?!?
aaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!

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Hey daisy..... Are you a guy or a girl??
and if you are a girl, where were you when I was at this nude beach???

No on both counts. Sry Warf

No, No.....If you travel in a black hole (no way to survive), youll only go AS fast as the speed of light...and, theoretically, you'll come out in a quasar, or white hole.

-Yamamoto

You wont come out anywhere you will die. Unless you are in a ship that is able to whitstand everything you will die. This is all thearetically of course because black holes are not proven.

Some1 email proffesor steven hawking and ask him he would know he knows all

Phoenix