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^ I find all that reading offencive! XD :P
**..::I am thoroughly...
amused:::..**
I could see controversy. It was written to not be offensive. Not unlike many other threads
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If we cant beat them than we will breed them out - braveheart.
What is so wrong with one race?
It becomes a full circle....
^^once we evolve from this reality we will see how trivial those
comments were.
FEAR is the true down fall of the american dream.
Pls forgive me,
Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.'"
After 1000s years of wisdom we still are hanging ourselves.
Pathetic...really.
Interesting text. It's midnight here, I'll come back tomorrow. Heh a 'hispanic quebec' ;) (I'm from there).
Indeed Canada has an official multiculturalism policy.
And yes, it's almost taboo to talk about certain things enumerated, immigration, the word race, etc.
Yes the ancient greeks had more loyalty to their city than to the greek race/country/concept.
Germany in the 30s-40s went through the experiment of forcefully unifying the country, this time not by assimilating minorities, but by wiping them. (I'm not saying the above speakers are nazis, I'm just pointing this out). FDR wrote to McKenzie (Canadian Prime Minister then) saying he should assimilate the Quebeckers/Quebecois.
Also interesting for the US has been good at opening international borders - no sarcasm here. Iraq and Afghanistan is in part about that: to integrate those 2 developing nations in the global village . Japan, post WW2, etc.
Anyway, California initially was pre-columbian native, then Spanish; it's quite recent it's been American (i.e. Anglo, wasp, sort of). I don't have the date on me, 120 years? So it's ironic/natural the 'mexicans' (also a melting pot identity) are going there.
Remember New England too... Not everyone shares the same concept of America.
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I wonder if it's a 'national 'problem, or simply post-modernism.
The world as we know it is fraying on the side; something new is in the making.
Technically I can be in Tokyo or Cape Town or Montreal or Moscow within 24 hours. I wonder if these folks are nostalgic, or realist... Or both.
Something is happening.
Anyone read McLuhan's 'Understanding Medias'? We're witnessing the emergence of a global meta-civilization.
R-E-C-O-M-E-N--T-E-D ![b/]
for reading pleasure or mispleasure...
and knowledge.
[b]Civilization defined and explained in plain English:
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/
How To Diagnose If A Community Is Declining
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/diagnose.htm
You don't have to let go of one rope before grabbing the other. But you'll have to let go of one if you want to swing forward.
^ I did not read all his site, who can? But I spent 30 minutes in this site, too much juice, but definitely interesting, he's covering lots of ground, from car noise to AIDS to political correctness. :P
To keep it on the civilization focus, the man strike me as defining civilization in a traditional way based on 19th century criteria, a la 'The Rise and Decline of the Roman Empire', which is the uber civilization we like to compare with, a strong, united, homogenous nation-state - which no nation ever was; nations are always a huge melting pot of individuals with different origins... He seems also a pessimist, ill-at-ease with the world we live in; he cannot be blamed for that. ;)
Somehow I couldn't help thinking the man would thrive in a traditional society; the patrist/matrist system is rigid (the universe isn't as clearly split or defined). He seems a sort of fundamentalist, and no sarcasm intended, he would do well in a (patrist) traditional muslim societies, which are very much resisting the paradigms of the modern world.
To say that
The first eruption of a class war marked the onset of decline. (The French Revolution in our case).
Is ludicrous; perhaps it was just better that people kept dying, and that a country was run with a most inefficient and corrupt government?
But he's right to say civilization is in decline, that is, a type of civilization.
Google, Youtube, eBay, cheap flights, open borders, global trade, bioengineering, the human genome project, space travel, etc.
I think we're in a mutation than transcends the traditional definition of a civilization.
^if the name fits were it.
Very knowledgeable Hugo.
But I do find it funny that
few tend to regress instead
of progress.
Very funny...
Wow vash that was a little too much
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THE INVASION
We know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that context his thoughts are particularly poignant. Last week there was an immigration overpopulation conference in Washington, DC, filled to capacity by many of America's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor by the name of Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, "Mexifornia," explaining how immigration - both legal and illegal was destroying the entire state of California. He said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.
Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D.Lamm stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United States. He said, "If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time.
Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.'"
"Here is how they do it," Lamm said: "First, to destroy America, turn America into a bilingual or multilingual and bicultural country." History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it this way: "The histories of bilingual and bicultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy." Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, and Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans.".
Lamm went on: Second, to destroy America, "Invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I would make it an article of faith that the black and Hispanic dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.
Third, "We could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: "The apparent success of our own multiethnic and multi cultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentricity and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and plu ralism to hold us together." Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America enforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities."
"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school."
"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think that their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population."
"My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship, and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy, Persia, threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" -- From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'Unum,' we will balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."
"Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits; make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate. Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established multi-culturism, having the large foundations fund the Doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws.&nbs p; I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America, it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."
In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow.
Profound silence followed. Finally he said,. "Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book "Mexifornia." His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book."
There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Even barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America - take note of California and other states - to date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book "1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery," and "Ignorance is strength."
Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply in trouble and worsening fast.
If we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American Dream.