To the group on Rx's server tuesday night:
I lost my cool, and I am very sorry for a number of things that I said during the game, most notably telling bolo to "take off [his] dress and give [his] sister back her lipstick." Rx, having just entered, asked me if I had failed to take my medication again, as I seemed unusually hostile, even towards bolo, a person for whom I tend to reserve my sharper comments. I was particularly foul; Rx later asked if it was even me.
In the previous game, a player by the name of Soren, unknown to all, was taking over a 15 minute round of scrum with kid, monkee, and prey by his side. My suspicions were raised, and I requested that MM grab this player's IP for referencing to see who it was that was hiding his real self, an act I find to be the TT epitome of cowardice.
When a boxer enters the ring, does he fight a shadow? A black mask with the lights off, a silhouette? Another man with a picture of his mother stapled to his face and and the sweet wafts of his sister's perfume? When men agree to a duel like that fine senator from the south, does a circus carney in a funny wig show up instead?
No, that boxer knows who he is fighting, because he signs a contract, and when the two meet face-to-face, mano-a-mano , he can stare into the other cat's eyes and intimidate him, rustle the bushes and startle the squirrels of fear within.
That's what Think Tanks is all about. It's comradarie, and it's competition. It's knowing that the guys you do battle with and against every night are the people who they say they are, not wet-panted nancies who, despite this very virtual reality competition and repeatedly being told that accomplishments wearing an alias are of no value to anyone - and in fact only depress the prestige of the user because such acts of pitiful deception evidence his or her own inability to compete on a level, honest playing field- , proceeded to boast about his pyrrhic victory by proclaiming "YOUVE BEEN BOLOED." Congratulations, and do accept my apologies. I henceforth endeavor to attain your level of nobility.
When the two others you are allied with decide to defend their title, do wake me.

Last edited: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 at 1:52:52 AM

I hear ya, I was busy probing a talented player the other morning only to have him announce (after a winning score) that it was Hanksta.

I say the title has been forfeited. Long live the original dream team, let the battles begin.

(applauding)

What's the proclamation that follows a loss by these guys? "I'VE BEEN TALLY HO'D!"? No, they slink off like little pussies.

Take off the dresses...cowards.

I believe I was in a few of those games last night and when the ho and phizzle were in the mix, there was no losing.

I much prefer playing as myself, but can no longer do so in public servers. As I expected, I find that I'm not playing nearly as often as I used to. It's just not as fun if it's not "me" and I can't interact with the other players.

I've got 3 public aliases I use, and I change one of them every month or so.

^^^^^^ Speaks the truth. 99% when I'm in indy scrum I have no idea who I'm playing against. I don't usually commit the aliases to memory once I learn who it is. I rarely use aliases these days. I did in the past simply because I could never tell who I was playing against...it seemed "the thing to do." I do get some harassment from time to time using my name...seems I've stepped on some toes :).

Pick a name, stick with it. Build an indentity...be who you say you are. Me? I'm a bit cocky...I'm a bit of an ass...but I'm also pretty good, and fun when with a group of people owning up to who they are. Be who you are, good and bad.

@Tally
Very nice apology Ho. I was there last night and saw what went on and agree with you. Memphis was right, when all three of us played, we did not lose once. It was after he left and we were stuck with someone who wasn't a vet or elite anyway, we lost a close game to a very stacked opponent. We fought valiantly as you told me ("we played our asses off!"), but we really did not have a chance because of the uneven teams.

I'm guilty of using too many aliases in the past, but I've slowly played with my name more and more with time. I also never liked proclaiming who I was after a victory in disguise. It's the kind of thing Anon did all the time. When he lost, he just slithered away (most of the time he lost), but when he won, he beat his chest and shouted for all to hear!!! Sounds familiar, huh?

@Tally

With Monkee and Kid on a "Red map", you can write them into the win column. I kept passing to & blocking for Soren near the goal because he was in position. Didn't know who he was? Don't know what was the history before I got there. I jumped onto the team that was down in score and stuck with them for 3 games. Except for the "Red Maps", I thought we were pretty even teams, so I didn't think we needed to re-shuffle.

I really didn't notice a foulness from you. I have the same fondness for Bolo ; ).

I thought nothing of your comments Tal. I think it was obvious to most of us in that server that Soren was a vet incognito.

IMO, aliases should never be used in team games. We have all come to know each others' strengths and weaknesses on the battlefield. If someone is wearing a mask then a player's known abilities are hidden. This is frustrating for opponents and teammates alike. As a teammate, I had no idea if "Soren" could be trusted to make a clutch block or take a pass when needed. I wasn't sure if "Soren" could provide adequate cover fire during a run or wouldn't drive wounded into a goal full of enemies without backup.

Now before someone calls me a hypocrate, I will state that I do use aliases too, but only in Indi servers during the day, before or at work when I may not have time to chat with others or even finish an entire game. But if asked who I am I ALWAYS reveal my true identity. At night or when I know I have no time constraints or if I'm playing in a Team server I will always use MonkeeMan.

I henceforth forfeit all aliases except DJ Marik and Sasuke. There. Those are my only aliases, and you know they are.
~¥~DJ Wings~¥~

Its true...aliases throw a gal off...just the other night hanky torched me but good using an alias. When I know I'm playing hank or bo, my tactics change...i'm a lot more tactical and less likely to take risks. Thats the thing about playing under an alias...it gives you a temporary advantage of having others underestimate you.

As for my alias, "smallberries" I play under it because it makes me smile.

Great post tally.

Ah, I see the Meds have finally kicked in!

Smallberries!!!!!! LOL
That is hysterical... I agree stinky, that name makes me laugh..... I will look forward to seeing smallberries in the game...
:)
K8

Damn I am pissed I missed that classic TT moment.
RX I hope you got it on video, it'll make a great intro to your next DVD :)

Heh, it starts as an innocent apology, then slowly becomes a Bolo-Roast! XD

So what was Bolo wearing that evening? Something sleeveless with a high cut?

I don't like aliases, but I partially understand those that use them. When playing against Bolo the tactics become pretty simple: if you have to choose which tank to eliminate from the tail of your team-mate, always pick Bolo first. He earned this reputation, but I bet he gets a little tired of all the bulls-eyes on his butt. Not too surprising that he'd try to cover them with a dress! :P

Yah, when I played as "Plane Nuts" (that is a pun, not a misspelling), I noticed an advantage during the first two games. After that, the scrummers have ascertained your skill-level and are already acting accordingly. Not much point, really. Might as well take off the mask.

Sorry I missed the fire, Tally, it almost sounds like it would've been entertaining to be there!

- Bomb…James Bomb

<----- no aliases, pretty darn glad of it right now.

Hey, lets play a game.
The person who can come up with them most qoutes a sore loser would say if Tally scored, wins the game.

Oh, too bad I missed the moment, and great post Tal Fro.

Not many people above using their brains..as usual....exceptions of course

First of all we almost ALL use aliases sometimes....thats neither here nor there..

The reason this thread and TG's thread even EXIST as a bolo bashing thread is because I IDENTIFIED MYSELF. What about the rest of these guys that nobody knows who they are? Nobody gets pissed at them?

Ill bet a lot of the people in this thread are some of them....

Its simple....i was dominating in indie and morons were following me around to different servers forcing me to ignore them and turn scrum into BM and keep away....i didnt wanna quit so I used an alias...

Heaven forbid I FORGOT to change my name when entering into a team game...i got there and we were having fun so I figured oh well....

Thing is....im always SOOO overrated right? How come when I use an alias EVERYONE has to know who this person is ??when I GRACIOUSLY tell who I am...there is a freaking thread on PTT full of bashing?

Nobody else gets this treatment??

Im not pissed or anything...comes with the skillz I guess...i said NOOO boasting comments last night...NONE....i just said at the end of a game...boloed......stating who I was...JEEEEZ

I still love ya ho...even though I cant seem to ever play or post within your guidelines...must be nice to always make the rules

Tg that game was a rare situation..i hadnt talked to demo and a while and you were my guinea pig...could have been anyone...forget it...it wasnt a personal thing..if it was you would know

Lesson learned for bolo: when using an alias just let them keep guessing...and use a spoofed ip....then nobody can invent reasons to bash you on a public forum...

Btw the champs cant accept matches without tanky..he has a sparratic schedule...3 jobs and several kids...u try it sometime. J said he has gotten only one official challenge via email?? Whats the deal?

B

^ rat-fink

I was thier tally it wasnt too bad well I guess it was just because I was on your team :)

^ run on sentence

@bolo... If I knew it was you, I would not have choosen that team. We all rank who is playing to try and balance teams. It's all part of trying to make it a fair competitive game. I also play under a day time alias. That "alias" character has its own rep. And can also be ranked.... Trying not to look too guilty... Umm.

Last edited: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 at 10:12:41 PM

^^does it matter?

It will matter,when you are sending a company letter or resume' or something, and if they see crappy grammar...

Get used to that burger smell, 'cause you are gonna be flippin' 'em for awhile.

@Bolo,
well..... Not totally true. The reason this thread and my other thread exist is because of the level of arrogance that you display.
When I wrote my other thread I didn't even know I was talking about you, I was talking about the gross ego and unsportsmanlike conduct of an alias-named player (whom I only later found out was you).

Since you have made it your life to be the best TTer on the planet, and (IMHO) since you have pretty much succeeded at being the best TTer on the planet, the rules are somehow different for you.

It is one thing to be the best player, it is another thing all together to use your skills for humiliating your friends in the community. In addition, your incessant boasting about yourself, and your attitude toward other players (both on your team and off) makes for a pretty unpleasant package.

Humility is a good thing... A really good thing.

Your ATTITUDE makes people want to see you fail, your ATTITUDE makes people want to hunt you... Not your skill.

Imagine Lance Armstrong struttin' around for the cameras BOASTING about how he is the elite and the other teams suck. Wouldn't that look and sound really (and I mean REALLY) stupid? How about if he loudly criticized his team mates when the USA team had fallen behind? How would it look for Lance to go to reporters at the half way mark and tell em that he would be a lot farther down the road if his team mates weren't slowing him down?

Repeat to yourself "Humility is a good thing, it doesn't make you weak, it makes you strong."

As I was saying above, I think the rules are different for you because of your skill. I don't think you are allowed to be an anonymous player without making the vets around you get uppity. It just feels like another layer of arrogance for you to play under an alias. You are too good, you are an elite player, it feels like you are playing head-games with your peers when you play in the shadows.

I imagine that part of the reason you are using aliases so much lately is that you have grown tired of the pressures of being Bolo. When you play, everyone expects you to rule. There are a lot of new maps in the mix these days and the community vets are getting better all the time, I imagine it is a bit of a relief to play without the perceived pressure for you to win. I also see that it is getting harder for you to win. Boasting about yourself also raises the bar about your game... You are giving yourself a lot more pressure to perform by smack-talking at every opportunity.

AAANNNYYYWWAAYYYY...
My advice to you (as if you care) is to go back to playing as Bolo, but try to have fun for the sake of having fun. Quit boasting, it only makes you look bad and makes you a target. Quit writing private messages to insult your team mates skill or performance, there is a lot of chatter about you doing that. A lot of people don't want to be on your team because of it.

And finally, if you are playing on a hosted team server with other vets, your argument about being hunted is invalid. When you are playing with your "friends" and/or your peers, show them some respect... Even if they aren't as accomplished as you.

K8

Last edited: Thursday, January 06, 2005 at 6:19:21 AM

WOW... GJ TG
well-written....and solid points made.
Even Bolo will agree with that.

Can I get that in a nice platinum frame please? TG, Are you sure your not a writer or an editor?

@ any Alias users, the following statements are true:

...but I must disagree with TG's suggestion to Bolo:

Last edited: Sunday, January 09, 2005 at 12:30:44 PM

Hugo.... I don't get the "quit boasting - TG" statement. There is no classifying that type of statement as true or false, it is just a request. NOW, if I said he was "Green and had wings", well then that would be a statement where I am implying a truth that isn't true. But telling someone that they might want to consider a variation of their attitude does not warrant a true or false label.

And as far as my more definitive statement that people don't like Bolo's boasting and unsportsmanlike conduct... That is the byproduct of being emailed by a fairly large number of people regarding this topic. A while back Bolo and I went at it in the forum. I guess since I was one of the first to stand up to him publicly, I suddenly became a catch-all for others gripes about him. Not conjecture on my part... Just fact. And the gripes are all the same.... Inflated ego, not fun to be on a team with him if you are not playing up to his standard, complains about everything if he is not winning.

I am not trying to paint him as evil, I don't think he is evil. We all have our shortcomings, I have plenty. But he has chosen this path, and unfortunately for him, it is a path that puts a spotlight on him, which also makes him a target for ridicule.

The truth is, he is kind of a likable guy. I just wish he didn't need to prop himself up all the time.

Last edited: Thursday, January 06, 2005 at 11:13:21 AM

@TG
Obviously, Hugo disagrees with your allegation that Mr. Bolo is a braggart. Hugo appears to believe that Bolo is humble and modest.
Can you confirm or deny these statements, Hugo?

Errr, I don't mean to get involved, but I'm not sure I get Hugo's comment on that either. Saying Bolo doesn't boast is like saying G.W. Bush is the most eloquent and well-spoken president we've ever had.

Napalm

LOL Nappy

I don't know how this thread morphed into a bashing the commander in chief party. He is our leader and we need to some some respect.
So leave Bolo alone!!! Oh, and stop dis'ing the President too.
:)

Me either, just thought it was interesting, I was going with the flow, I was flowin darnit!

I blame the directional change on OM, but I fully support the motion!

What, me? It was a harmless analogy, right? ;)

_{^ glad he's in good company}

Allow me to steer:
*
A bit of boasting is fine - whether or not you can back it up, though for myself, I draw a sharp line between confidence and arrogance.
Alias use is fine if you want to remain anonymous, though for myself, I draw a thin sharp line or two between experimentation, avoiding stalkers, and cowardice.
Using an alias to gain an unfair advantage against people you often play and then, at the end of the match, boastfully revealing your true self not is acceptable because it is dishonest, deceptive, and cowardly.
*
Often, people complain to me about being constantly BMed even during team scrum matches, to the point where some, despite their own excellent skills, doubt their ability to compete in psycho matches. I understand the nuisance, as I have a very difficult time staying alive for more than a few seconds when in the vicinity of enemy tanks. When fun is the objective, that sort of treatment can often be a fierce deterrent, though personally, I accept it as part of the game and have found my own way to be as effective as I can under such conditions.
Incidentally, BMers aren't the only players getting BMed. I'm often told I don't shoot enough. I think I play a better technical game when I don't shoot much at all, though the team will suffer.
*
On to Bolo's comments:
They're difficult comments to reply to without getting into personality issues. Nearly all of his positions are very one-sided and personalty driven..
For example:

1. Who says that you are overrated? You've admitted to me on many occasions that you don't believe that anyone is better than you are– as good maybe, but not better. Fact of fiction, when a new name arrives on the late-night server, it is traditional expectation that a noob has arrived, and when looking at the team rosters hoping for equality, your alias use jacks the balance [notice that we adapted to your true self and my more inexperienced team lost the next 2 rounds by a combined 2 points]. You've asserted your superiority against all others in a shooting contest, so why are you dodging bullets?
2. One man's grace is another man's bluster. Your recollection is that you wrote "boloed" at the end of the match, but I'm pretty clear that I read "YOUVE BEEN BOLOED." Either way. Don't you see the contradiction here? If you need to identify yourself while using an alias, what are your motivations for 1) using the alias, and 2) identifying yourself. If you forgot to change your name, fine: identify yourself at the beginning of the match so as not to deceive. If you don't want to get BMed, fine: don't identify yourself at all.
*
Food and meds.
Next time: The Jordan Rules.

Last edited: Thursday, January 06, 2005 at 1:39:36 PM

Ah, I have a simple remedy to all of this. Bolo just needs to get drunk and stupid before a game so that his skills fall to a point where we won't care anymore.

Aliases don't matter in Indie Scrum. However, the elite have a responsibility to make themselves known in Team games for the sake of equality and proper teamwork.

Dang good games, last night, RX. Of course, I had to wait over an hour to finally get a slot!

- Bomb…James Bomb

How come no one gets angry when I play as mr ro(bot)o? You cant all like me! Some one be mad at me for once. Sheesh.

@ bolo
I dont mind the guy at all. I do tend to like players who continually kick my @$$ however (professor, tankor, tally, and most of the rest of you above)...its a bit of a masochistic thing really. Man...i'm weirder than I thought. :[

Get some, you masochistic arsehair! Give your mom her dress back...and that lipstick makes you look ridiculous!

How's that?

I feel hated now. Thx stink! XD

No problem you goddam nelly...you nancy, you lady-fingers, you sissified lady product, you feminine hygenist, you sack of sisters, you girls only sleepover, you friend of aunties, you mommie's undergarment enthusiast...

Should I keep it up, or are you happy now?

TG: wish I didnt have to work 6 days a week so I could live up to your impression of me. Im not sure about the rest of your post but to make things clear:

@ all

Im blunt. I let people know the way it is ALL THE TIME. In jobs, bands, family gatherings, relationships, emails, TT games, and PTT forums. This is who I am. My online personality is no different than real life. Im the FIRST guy to assist somebody who needs help...ask my friends, hell look how many of my posts are in the tech support and help forums?? On the other hand if you walk into the room with your fly down im the first dude to say "hey dickie, XYZ"

Im a hit or miss kinda guy. You either respect me for the way I am for being completely honest and to the point, or hate me for the inevitable arrogance and directness that results. (before you challenge the aforementioned statement review its psychological backround) im the same in real life and the same in tt....i have many TT buds who understand me and we get along great. (most of them are players that are not well liked...similar to me some of them) There are others who just dont like my presence at all. (although they cant wait to start shooting me :) )

Mb if I ever meet any of you it will become clear....(MysteryMan knows me well, talked to jangles on the phone once)

BTW dont ever compare me to that dishonest fakeass POFS known as our president. Tx

Also regarding team comments.....i dont think that saying "call in the firing squad" or "pass the ball" or commenting on a 1 vs 5 attempted goal is hurting to anyone....

I NEVER swear at anyone unless its light hearted toward jangles, ho, rx, etc

As said b4 if you dont like people's comments then LEARN THE GAME in indie before trying teams. I certainly did.

@ho...inaccurate recall of our chat conversation....i said I performed as good or better than about anyone in the BM league. There are those as good or better than me that no longer play the game. Really sucks as im interested if I could give them a good challenge now and not get my ass handed to me like I did a year ago...

I pride myself on being one of the best in all three game types...there are many people who are incredibly good at one of them....almost nobody at all of them...

Comon ho...even PREY and I can have a civilized game against one another...and a conversation in the forums...even though we dont get along well....ever since the whole champs thing you seem to get more and more vehement.

Peace out

B

Well, as bolo knows, I for one accept him as he is. I like the goddam jerk. But then again, I kinda like the jerky hanksta too. And don't get me started on jangles...

But that sumbitch getsome, now theres a real rat-fink.

^ SOB

Play under any alias you like "I WILL STILL BEAT YOU" XD
Common now folks...
Everyone uses aliases , I use them to keep my games lagg free.
It seems everytime people see me playing in a server it gets crowded.
Aliases are also good when your practicing with a wacom tablet or a new mouse.
Aliases keep this game fun and interesting.
@Tally this is not a boxing match its Think Tanks...Hope to see you at Macworld Bud... ;)

Hell hanky, if I had known sooner there was going to be a TT takeover at the apple booth, I would have bailed on my trip to miami.
alas, I return to the motherland on saturday.
Who else is attending? Take snaps you animals.
Mind the deluge of goodies.

@ Hanksta

That certainly can't be applied to the morning game I referenced. If you find me in a morning game like that again pls announce yourself at the beginning of the game so that I can give you my "Hanksta effort".

@Bolo

Yes, I understand that. I think it would be better to have a 3 on 3 tourney with you guys taking on whoever rises to the top in exhibition matches that would be at your convenience and invitation.