Am sick of it smoking bla how can poeple smoke dont they know you can die from it!" if they know why do they smoke they dont care they can die or something evey time am in the mall some were with lots of poeple I choke of smoke am brething in I hate it why cant they STOP!!!!!!!!!!!

1 word, Nicotine... A very adictive Drug, that after a while, the boddy annot do withought.

Yea I know, scary :S

Cadc (SA) (Leader)

Yes, I too hate smoking. Please everyone quit shooting me!

It seems second hand smoke, in addition to lung cancer, may cause illiteracy.

Someone must be smoking in these forums then.

Lol, I find many people on TT say they are smoking to make them play better. And alot of people in TBleague also say that. Scary, but most of them might be telling the truth. Not only is it cheap for them playing but, as Cadc says:

I work part time at a supermarket (I am a student, so don't think I am some minimum wage bum lol), and one woman came in asking for cigarettes and inside of her cart was a dual-canister oxygen tank, about 20 feet of tubing, a compressor, and some kind of machine what's name only God knows...

She was using these little pads on her fingers to apply pressure to this hole below her chin (which appeared to have had surgery earlier, probably from the type of cancer you can get), and she was talking only with this application of pressure, coming out in a hoarse, raspy way. She requested I get her two ultra-light filter menthol soft pack King 100s in a box carton, 3 jars of chewing tabacco (for her husband, she informed), along with 5 regular hard-packs of Marlboros.

So, long story short, yes nicotene is a very powerful chemical. Hopefully with today's education about the consiquenses of smoking and other drugs, we won't have as many smokers in the future and/or it will be banned, or at least taxes go up even more so that the people buying them will ither have to be wealthy people or criminals.

Personally, I have no idea about what it is like trying to quit/smoke. I have never done it. So I suppose it's wrong of me to complain about people who rant about the difficulties and to urge them just to try chewing gum or something. To non-smokers it seems like it would be easy... But obviously the tabacco companies aren't going to let people off the hook... At least ones who aren't persistant enough with the decision.

8(

/adapt

Critical Impulse

Hi adapt, welcome to the PTT forums.

Adapt (Ci) said:

Careful there bud. Your thoughts illustrate the slippery slope the USA is on. We have socialized our country to such an extent that "the common good" is superceding individual rights. What do you think our laws should be based on?

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But that nic rush is sooooooooooooooooooooooo...sweet :P

I guess I am trying to say that our laws should be made by people in the legislature who are smart, healthy, and know what is best for America's lungs.... ?

This, of course, may never happen...

Originally posted by -v- :

That might be why.... Whatever is good for business.

/adapt

Critical Impulse

My point is that I know best for my lungs. Nobody has the right to tell me what to do with them.

Last edited: Sunday, June 20, 2004 at 8:21:41 PM

That's like being an alcoholic and saying I know what's best for my liver in front of a cop on the highway.

/adapt

Critical Impulse

Last edited: Sunday, June 20, 2004 at 8:37:29 PM

My smoke may be (very minimally) damaging to your lungs as a passer by, but that does not give you the right to tell me I cannot smoke. I don't want to be breathing in the harmful fumes that your car emits, but I don't lobby to stop you from driving.

As a smoker I will happily adhere to any establishments decision of a no-smoking policy and will in many cases simply go elsewhere instead. That is their right and they are free to say what you may or may not do on their premises. However, I do object to any kind of governmental interference dictating when and where I am permitted to smoke, especially as (particularly in the UK) a huge amount of money is raised through taxation of cigarettes. So not only do we contribute more to the economy, but we have fewer rights in the process.

Smokers are a slowly diminishing percentage of population, but just because they are now a minority, does not give people the right to dictate what they can and cant do.

Curiously, since banning smoking on flights, the air quality in the aeroplanes has actually dropped considerably, as they have skimped and saved on the onboard air filtering and air conditioning.

I beg to differ with the air quality on airplanes dropping....

This % has actually gone up since then, along cases of SARS, etc. Affecting it so airliners can CTA.

Originally posted by -z- :

That is different and not a very comparible analogy -- smoking is not a necessity, and until the development of more hybrid/electric/Hfuel-cell automobiles hits the consumer mainstream, driving cars is a necessity, regardless of pollution.

CFCs in aerosol cans were more of a problem before the 80s, when HFC were made to combat the harmful effects. This improvement will be made in cars as well, but until something is done so that smokers are not harming themselves or the people around them with something not legitimately needed, I doubt there's a reason non-smokers should not have the right to criticize or protest.

/adapt

Critical Impulse

Let people do what they want to theirselves. I won't smoke, I'll tell people to not smoke but if they want to that bad, let them.

I also don't see why marijuana is illegal when most American made cigarettes are much more worse for you.

Rather than spend a ton a money trying to stop it, just legalize it, tax it and make some money off it. Marijuana that is.

A very true statement I heard in the Mexican comertials

After prolonged use, it will kill u

Cadc (SA) (Leader)

@adapt (Ci)

What makes you think you can impose your judgement about what I need or don't need?

If my choices don't violate your individual rights (the only kind of rights there are) you can kindly keep your nose out of my business.

Do you see what I'm sayin here?

@BC

I don't see... All I am saying is that if something you're doing is both unnecessary and harmful to others, the people who are affected have a right to protest. The point that -z- brought up about car emmissions doesn't apply to my reasoning because it is indeed necessary to many people.

Obviously you don't see many people who are against smoking go directly up to someone who is smoking, shouting and waving their fingers at him or her, that's because to many who are against it, the ones who manufacter/sell it are at fault. That's why there have been so many lawsuits and restrictions put on cigarettes in the last few decades.

Example:

My father was in the Navy, and on the aircraft carriers/overseas, a pack of cigarettes cost about 20-30 cents.That's because in the U.S., taxes are put on them so much that they can be 3.50 or even 4$ now for one pack.

I am not blaming you nor targetting individuals who smoke, although I am against it... But I mainly think the tabacco companies are at fault. Especially for luring in children.

/adapt

Critical Impulse

Its all a money game....tobacco and alcohol make too much money for the US. Pot wont do the same because it is easy to grow and distribute. Thats a whole nudda argument...hehe

I smoke about a pack a week...i skip some weeks...mainly due to depression...when im feeling good I dont smoke at all...

BTW programmers are OFTEN smokers...hehe

B

Programmers... I admit, because many of my friends do it... Smoke a lot of pot.

I myself do not, and I program, but I get my rush from caffeine in pills/soda/ Bawls^tm .

So... Yes one of my BEST friends Cory was an amazing hardcore programmer and he was making a game he stopped when he decided to join the army..

Lmao he just did it "out of pure boredom"

It may have been the pot or just boredom, I will never know. He's now in Iraq and half the friging time he is playing emulators on the comuter because he is the network guy there and leeches off of the satellite :D

Lucky bastard... Either that or watching movies/playing bubble wrap wars. He's on some air base.

Here are some pics.

Note the smokage

http://cory.codeaura.com/index.pl?page=funandgames

http://cory.codeaura.com/index.pl?page=iraq

http://cory.codeaura.com/index.pl?page=photos

Pfft, die Cory....bastard =P

/adapt

Critical Impulse

Driving a car which uses carbon based fuel is a luxury/convenience/cheaper alternative for the majority not a necessity.

Oh and as you are sharing figures.. The average price for a pack of cigarettes here in the UK is nearly 9$. (Almost all of which is tax)

You know, if I was in a restaurant enjoying a nice meal, and you sat down in the table in front of me, with smoke reducing the visibility of my food, and span of my life, I would expect you to move.

It's your choice that you started smoking. I don't see why innocent bystanders have to be affected.

There's my $0.02. No, it won't be used towards smokes. ;)

Programmers who smoke are the only ones who get up and take frequent breaks to go outside and get fresh air... _{Oh wait, no....}

Here in Oregon the cigarette taxes are supposed to go to support the schools (liquor taxes too). I like that. It's a good way to make kids pay for their own education... ;)

Traffic accidents kill many people every year (the leading cause of death for young folks, if I'm not mistaken). Should law require that cars be engineered so they can't go above 45mph for the safety of all people on the roads? Driving fast is not a necessity if you manage your time properly... :o

An angry disposition has been linked to a shortened lifespan. ( One example .) Be careful how much you hate smoking, you don't want your anger to kill you before the second hand smoke even gets a chance. :S

I don't smoke. Seems kinda stinky and expensive to me...

I'll never smoke. My mother recently passed away from lung cancer. Smoking is -very- bad for you. Dont make a habit of it! >.<

~Baby Clax

Lagman.. Those are very weak reasons to "hate" smoking as you put it. Just because one is against cigarette smoke or tabacco products doesn't mean they "hate" it, or obsess so much over it that it will shorten his or her lifespan.... Or his lifespan according to your source.

/adapt

Critical Impulse

Smokers! Keep on smoking just don't do it in my house or car or around my kids.

Or I will be forced to make you eat the cigs XD

The world is getting over populated anyways so keep on smoking....the younger generation is wisening up.. ;)

@Adapt: aye, my post is a bit muddled. :P Mostly the post is just a collection of ironic observations related to smoking (with a nod to the 'Freedom' vrs. 'Public Safety' debate thrown in).

Sorry if I seemingly implied that all who are against smoking hate it with an unhealth amount of anger. Most do not. The lifespan comment is directed to a select few confrontational folks that get in shouting matches with smokers, indignant, outraged and exhibiting a disposition that will surely be the death of them someday...

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Lets go Poke some Smot!