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I'm not sure we're going to allow this sort of evangelism here. I'll leave the thread open while it is discuss with with board moderators. You will be kept informed.
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Ok, sorry if it is spam or anything
I'd rather be buried in a box 6 feet under. The same place everyone else goes when they die.
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I find it odd Nathan that you think we are here by chance.
Brilliant scientists built BioSphere 2. They had 7 years and 200 Million dollars. Mostly everything in there became extinct after 1.5 years. They had to pump oxygen in to have them live 1.5 years. How could "fully evolutioned" creatures die? How could "non-evoultioned" creatures survive over a million years by themselves? Go and research it.
Kinda makes you wonder.
Pray to GOD for him to reveal himself to you.
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^ touche. I believ in god, but I do not believ in the whole "if you are pure" thing. I actually am kinda a chritamuslew. I look at most things in a christian perspective, but I also like some of the things muslims (real ones, not ones with AK's) look at. The Jewish faith also has some interesting points. Even Buda has some excelent teaching. Ovverall, I think there was a Jesus, I think that a lot od stuff that happened in the bible is true, and I think God put us here to be happy.
Also, I am about to say something that will so make christians cringe.
THE BIBLE IS STAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think there has been some missenturpretations along the way, as well as some editing. It has been proven that there has been things taken out of the bible. So foo.
Pardon my rudeness, I cannot abide useless people.
Really link us there.
Editing? Show us.
Dont have them be biased.
"have to be pure"?
Catholic? Jesus said believe in me. Not be good.
Pray to GOD for him to reveal himself to you.
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Imagine how ridiculous all of this sounds to a complete non-beleiver. Woot! Go Hell!
I'm with fishy, Tally please close this one
If heaven is going to be full of the sort of christians we've been experiencing lately...i'd like another option please. Good god! Could you imagine spending an eternity with them?
^LOL I'll meet ya in hell stinky :)
If you chose Heaven and God, I can tell you how to get saved right now
An evangelist once came up to me in an airport and asked me the "burning" question, "Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior?" I said, "No. But he's accepted me."
There is no choice. God chose you.
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Tally, why close it. It does not offend anyone. I think it is a bit too forward for non believers in Christ, but He never harmed anyone. He loves us all wether you believe or not.
There are posts that question His existence, why not have one that does not? ;)
Yah, I agree. It is evangelizing, but what the hell? All manner of silly things get posted here. I think we can stand it. V...sounds good. I'll bring the bourbon...you bring the hotdogs...should be able to find a fire around there somewheres.
Sounds like a good time stinky, Toss some steaks with tabasco (I like it hot) and I am definately in.
If a thread on farts is ok, why not this one, Tally? It's forward, isn't it?
As Lennon and McCartney said, "Let it be"
@ Tally: I agree with KKB, this aint offending anyone who isn't a christian. I mean iif it said: Muslims are dumb (sorry all muslims I don't mean this) then it would be different. But now take a look on the other side, if some are starting to laugh within comments then you should lock it. Well that is basically just my idea :)
@ WSE: I do like your top post, and I picked Heaven and God, but I didn't have much choise. I just don't want the Satan to be with us ofcours. But somehow I just can't imagine that Something bigger then us, which can change all He wants, is letting all these bad things happen. Look at the holocaust or the Tsunami, that is somehow still an obstacle. Now don't come with "They must have done something wrong!", because Jesus once said (not exactly, but it meant the same):
Those without sins throw the first stone.
Scythe
I posted this in the other thread, but it seems on-topic.
People who say the phrase "true religion" in reference not to an abstraction, but to their own, are truly scary. The marginalization other people's beliefs as "acceptable" because of their geographical disconnection from the "true religion" is patronizing, condescending, and if it were me being spoken down to infuriating. To assert that in one's life, not worshipping the "true" god but showing the proper respect to their own would result in acceptance in to the "true" god's heaven is the kind of nonsense that breeds holy wars. I suspect people who hold those views have never left the western world.
When KKB says things like, "It does not offend anyone," I wonder when he met all the people. When he says, "There are posts that question His existence, why not have one that does not?", I say fine. If you want this thread to be the big christian campfire, then have it.
^^
All things work for good for those who love God.
God lets these things happen, but then he uses them for our good. :)
^ Aren't we allowed to do our religious duty too? You don't think anyone should flame Jews, Muslims, or Buddhists, so why flame us?
He is letting these happen because the End is coming. The Second death is very close. If you read in Revelation(If you have a Bible) you will find that there are natural disasters:California, Florida, and Louisiana. Wars: Iraq, U.S., and Afghanistan(sp.?). The Second coming Christ is very soon.
@Monica No, no one should flame Jews or any other religion, it is their way of living, just let them live that way.
P.S. Don't think you're taking this from an adult, you're taking it from a twelve year old
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Who Would you rather be around? God- Our Heavenly Father or Satan and his angels- Bad angels cast into Hell(No other description found yet.)
Just so people dont get confused....I believe that God is omnipresent which means he is always around us.....everywhere.....hes with you there right now as you read this...he never goes away no matter if your a Christian or not..etc...But the Devil can only be in one place at one time..But ofcourse there are Demons etc...And fyi if you do become a Christian and you get close to God then the more the devil will attack you...Same if youve been a Christian for years and get closer to God, the more the Devil will tempt you and try to make you slip up.
What would you want to be around? Heaven- Streets of PURE gold(Pure gold is clear, not yellow), Walls made of Jasper, Amethyst, and many other beautiful types of jewels, and Gates made out of one HUGE Pearl. Hell- Fire and torture.
Im not trying to say your wrong WSE, just explaining what you said in more detail so people dont get confused.....
Christianity is not something you do just so you dont go to hell......thats just a Bonus.....If your a Christian your main goal should be to do what God wants you to do...No matter if you go to heaven or hell...
Example..
If someone became a Christian only because he was scared of going to hell and followed the bibles and kept the commandments..etc..and did Godly things....but only did it for his own comfort for when he gets to heaven. So he eventually dies and gets judged before God...But to his shock God says that he cannot enter the gates of heaven beacause you did nothing for me. The man tries to explain all of the good things he has done. But because the man only did things for his shelfish needs it dont mean a thing because his heart wasnt in the right place.
Now this is just my opinion, maybe wrong, maybe right. But just because you say your a Christian doesnt make you one.
Hey WSE um are you in NS from a long time ago and does it stand for Night Shifter? Just wondering as I thought I was the only one left.
Anyway on topic now........ Heaven most definetly and everyone should look at revelations, or read a chapter or two of it. Pretty interesting stuff.
Heaven- Streets of PURE gold(Pure gold is clear, not yellow), Walls made of Jasper, Amethyst, and many other beautiful types of jewels, and Gates made out of one HUGE Pearl.
Did preacher man "know" anything else about what Heaven is like? Did he say anything about emeralds? I love emeralds. And, how are the girls dressed? Is there any chocolate? What about chocolate-covered girls?
I'm not religious at all. I just wasn't raised that way. I fit the part of the stereotypical atheist pretty well : I kinda resemble a goth linebacker.I used to have a partner at work that was a pastor, we got along great. We would have debates on religion that were great fun. We both just made a concious effort to be respectful and nice to each other.
Hear my words and obey : be nice.
Now I'm a prophet. Worship me.
If heaven is going to be full of the sort of christians we've been experiencing lately...i'd like another option please. Good god! Could you imagine spending an eternity with them?
As Jay said most people say they are christians but never opened a bible. But we all sin (some more than others) and anyway God will make us perfect.
But somehow I just can't imagine that Something bigger then us, which can change all He wants, is letting all these bad things happen. Look at the holocaust or the Tsunami, that is somehow still an obstacle. Now don't come with "They must have done something wrong!", because Jesus once said (not exactly, but it meant the same):
Those without sins throw the first stone.
Sin. That is really why. Not they did something wrong. Because sin entered the world. Because of the global deluge.
Pray to GOD for him to reveal himself to you.
The Gospel offends. It even offended Jesus' disciples, many of whom left Him after he told them He was the "Bread of Life"
See John 6 if you want to know...
I don't see the thread being closed as a religious issue, but one of free speech.
@ Tally: I wasn't critisising your work as moderator man, I was just thinking that this kind of things should be allowed. I don't mind that other religions get their own topics. Btw did you guys here about the religion troubles in europe, in Danmark some guy has made anti-muslim cartoons, and they are really angry on the whole Danish community. They even got angry in every single part of Europe, and now they are trying to shock us with cartoons from the holocaust :(
Here they are:
The first one
The second one
The thirth one
I am not saying that what the responsable guy did is correct, what I do want to mention is that they will only hit the Germans with the hollocaust thing and the Jews. But these guys aren't responsable for what the Danish guy did. What are you guys opinions on this one.
I looked for the offending cartoons, but I couldn't find an english translation of them :S. I did find a dutch version saying
" Mohammed cannot be seen " when there is a guy spreading out his arms and wearing a burka.
Scythe
PS: if moderators think these pictures are too offending then they can take them off, I just wanted to explain what it is all about.
I don't understand your post at all.
Those are really bad, Scy. We know that kind of crud exists, but we don't need to see it.
I don't think they are directly related, either. I'm offended, but I'm a gentile. I can imagine what others would think.
@Jay, Thanks for rephrasing that, I was in a hurry because I had to go to this Afterglow at my church.
There was a new member to our church and our Word of Life Club leader told him that no matter what, right when you are saved, you are going to Heaven, even if you just got saved for being scared of hell. He also told him, you only need to be saved once because then Jesus would of had to of died more than once.
@ Tally: All I wanted to say to you is that I wasn't trying to criticise your moderator methods. That is basically ti.
No matter what, right when you are saved, you are going to Heaven, even if you just got saved for being scared of hell. He also told him
Are you saying then that once someone gets saved, he will automatically go to heaven even if that person backslides and does what ever he wants and just ignores God!?
Again, I feel God can have a sense of Humor. Otherwise, there would never be any kind of this (pg-13) . Browse around that area a bit. Interesting.
Pardon my rudeness, I cannot abide useless people.
Yes, God has a sense of humor.
@Jay, Yes, right when you get saved, even if you backslide a whole lot, you are still going to Heaven.
^^ LOL!
Pray to GOD for him to reveal himself to you.
The thought that some all-powerful being has been around since the beginning of time, and one day decided to make a rock with humans on it is LAUGHABLE. Everything has to come from somewhere, nothing can just appear for no reason. Chemical reactions formed a huge mass floating in the middle of nowhere. These chemicals caused an explosion which formed everything in the universe. (Abridged version of the big bang....)
It was a 1:1x10^(infinate amount of zeros) chance that intelligent life formed.
And because we're intelligent, we created a "god" in our minds and passed it down generations. Or does that make us unintelligent?
Tally, explain to me how this thread can be offensive to anyone. Since I dont know everyone, how do you? Gimme a break for once. :)
Why is it that every religious forum posted in this place gets turned into a very crazy war?
From scientific methods, all humans come from just about everything. Star dust and all that rot. Through the eys of religion, there are many ways of us being created. Christians and Roman Catholics belive that God made us, others believe in something of the same, but not exactly the same story. But that is not what this thread is about. This is the only post I will probably post in here. I'm thinking that Tally is just saying that the spreading of religion isn't really something to be discussed in these forums. It is ok, but seriously. Some of this really has nothing to do with TT, and causes A LOT of religious discussions, outbursts, and etc in this forum section. I hope you understand.
-AO
That's another whippersnapper belted by the feared AncientOne!
Indeed. This thread is of a microcosm, isn't it. Think espousing your religion is a good idea? Start a thread and see what happens. All hell breaks out? Welcome to planet earth. I always wonder how, despite, o, two-thousand years of religious conflict, fundamentalists still think goose-feeding their religion down the heathens' throats is a good idea. Imagine if yee all just worried about yourselves and lived as though this life
is what god gave us, and only this life.
We have no evidence to the contrary.
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1: [ I just channelled john lennon ]
2: [ kkb, nevermind. The basic idea is that the thread didn't offend anyone. You thus spoke for everyone. I only need to know one person who is offended to deflate your statement. Not so complicated, you dig? ]
@ Nathan
Just a quick little comment:
Everything has to come from somewhere, nothing can just appear for no reason.
Hmmm...very interesting.
Chemical reactions formed a huge mass floating in the middle of nowhere.
Ok, now...see, that brings up a question....where'd the chemicals come from? :)
And by the way, your first statement is almost correct. Nothing can come from nothing, unless it is an eternal being. Guess what we call that? God.
@WSE
No offence but what your saying doesnt really make sense. Think about it, if what you are saying is true that when you get saved you automatically go to heaven, then why do we bother following other rules.
We could just do what we want, we wouldnt have to go to church or read the Bible, you wouldnt have to do anything God says, because we could all get saved and knew we were going to heaven anyway so why would we bother to do everything else.....
Theres a reason why people are called "Backsliders", they arnt following God's rules and not being a true Christian etc...Now why would God create a backdoor into heaven where people only need to get saved and then do what ever they wanted for the rest of their life, they then die and God says "Yeh you got saved so you can go in, no matter if you never listened or did anything for me, you killed people, blasphemd my name, but you got saved 50 years ago so the gates are open for you"
To me that doesnt sound right...
Jesus died for us so we could have the CHOICE of going to heaven or hell...
I am reposting this brief statement here for the benefit of people who don't believe in "getting saved". This form of decision theology radiates mainly around human beings and their ability to grasp the holy. The more you sit and talk about back-sliders and sinners, and people needing to avoid hell, the more you set yourself up for a dangerous biblical paradigm, self-righteousness. Luke 18:9-14
The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector
9To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable: 10"Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11The Pharisee stood up and prayed about[a] himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other menrobbers, evildoers, adulterersor even like this tax collector. 12I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'
13"But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'
14"I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."
Salvation belongs to our God, not when you decide its going to happen. Faith has been given unto you the first time you heard God's word. And we all have struggles in our faith lives along the way. This form of self-righteous talk is one of the reasons why so many people don't come to church. It's because we say that we are a place of togetherness and true community, where outsiders see that this is not the case. There are people outside of your churches who know what it means to have a God, but they know that the people inside will not see them for the people that they are or even wish to be. Keep beating the decision drum and all you will find is a place that is empty and devoid of any true depth.
Christ did not come for the righteous, he came for the sinner. Understand that you are in that same category. If you don't you're missing out on something much more glorious than the precepts that we have constructed for righteousness. You will miss what God does through other people.
God meets us where we are, is with us in every moment, and receives us in every moment. God works with the world as it is, to lead it to what it can be, and uses all prayers accorded to God to use in the stuff for God's doing. All of these prayers, regardless of religion are worthy in God's eyes.
Now I am a Christian, and I believe that Christ died for all people. Out of that salvific understanding, Christ has called me to do justice (a genuine respect for all people), love mercy (compassion for all of God's people) and walk humbly with my God. I do not see myself as the starting point. Rather, I begin with God. We do not need to live out God's judgment, we are called to live out God's grace and model that for people who need to know what it really means to be people of God.
^ I've said it before, and I'll say it again...in my book, Memphis is righteous.
Where can I find a church that doesn't make me feel like a hypocrite. Can you start the Church of Memphis? Memphisism? Memphisology? Seventh Day Memphists? Christianizzlism?
^^ Very nice, brotha!
Christ has called me to do justice (a genuine respect for all people), love mercy (compassion for all of God's people) and walk humbly with my God. I do not see myself as the starting point. Rather, I begin with God. We do not need to live out God's judgment, we are called to live out God's grace and model that for people who need to know what it really means to be people of God.
A truly honorable and difficult calling. I'd even say impossible without God.
For me, it's pretty simple.
I respect your right you make your own decisions when those decisions do not negatively affect others (drunk driving, racism, pedophilia, etc).
I respect your right to hold your own beliefs.
I respect your right to discuss your beliefs openly.
I might even listen to you discuss your beliefs. But I also reserve the right to ignore you if I so choose. And I most definitely reserve the right to not have someone else try to force me to believe as they do. We are fortunately mostly past the "conversion by the sword" mentality. There are still a few throwbacks, and the global society may someday swing back to it, but for now it is good (from my perspective at least).
In return I expect the same respect from others. Fortunately, that has always been the case to date. Thank you all. - TMO
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All right, yesterday we had a guest preacher at our church and he was speaking about what will happen if you don't trust God as your Saviour, and I have decided to post it on here. Here is a few questions for you.
What would you want to be around? Heaven- Streets of PURE gold(Pure gold is clear, not yellow), Walls made of Jasper, Amethyst, and many other beautiful types of jewels, and Gates made out of one HUGE Pearl. Hell- Fire and torture.
Who Would you rather be around? God- Our Heavenly Father or Satan and his angels- Bad angels cast into Hell(No other description found yet.)
If you chose Heaven and God, I can tell you how to get saved right now. I will quote an example prayer at the end of this post and I will be praying for you all. All you have to do is accept Jesus as your Saviour and let Him into your heart. I will now post the example prayer:
Dear Lord, I know that I am a sinner and I am asking for forgiveness and for you to come into my heart. Please forgive me,In Jesus' Name, Amen.
I hope you all will take this post into your hearts and accept Jesus as your Saviour,
God Bless You All.