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Well I only do because it keeps being mentioned.
In a related news, who heard of the Flying Spaghetti Monster? XD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster
More evolutionary grist for your mills, literalists: Fossil find fills evolution gap
4-million-year-old teeth, bones found
Belong to ape-like man-creature
fire up the flabby theology...er...i mean, science....assume the defensive position again.
Everyone needs to have fun with ID.
But seriously, do you guys even read what their position is?
There cant be spaghetti monster, because god would have pushed him down. Of course god wouldnt use gravity or angels wouldnt be able to fly or fry or something. Life just gets stranger and stranger. Im guessing the religious right is just bored because you cant play cds backwards like they were records. Maybe they should take up knitting or something.
Everyone needs to have fun with ID.But seriously, do you guys even read what their position is?
Don't understand the question.. Understand the arguments of ID or their position, which is to get creation into the classroom? I know of most of what the ID has put forth on the science front, and most of it is bunk science.. (irreducible complexity as an example) on the position, it is egocentric and elitist and it makes me sick.
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But seriously, do you guys even read what their position is?[quote]
Yes and it's either very funny or very sad, I cant decide which. Science bunk! Faith is a choice, fact is not. Fact is, there can be very little rational argument about fact vs. Ideology. An ideology or religion can argue the irrational as fact - science cannot.
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Right when I was getting ready to revisit the Midianites, you guys decide to drop it. The horror! :P
Yes, I've been lurking about, trying to keep up, but I've been busy at work and haven't had the casual time to respond to the many ideas thrown out here.
I have seem a few "copy and paste" maneuvers from the American Atheist website. Things that come up periodically that take a swing at Christian faith, but really show a laziness on the part of the swinger. IF they really wanted an answer to those questions, there are far better resources on the web than the PTT forums. But hey, I'm just as lazy sometimes when it comes to learning all about evolution as well, so I guess we're even.
Hehehe my thoughts are we were all dropped here from an alien planet as outcasts and we had to adapt to our enviroment and that's why we are the way we are!!!!! Lol ;)
(^ Actually a quite good ID construct. LOL)
I suppose I failed miserably expressing my thoughts earlier, but I believe there is room for convergence between evolution and ID. We are caught up arguing about the mechanism and who/what is in control. Beats me, you'll have to find your own level of satisfaction.
But obviously the devout believers in a "God" cannot dismiss the scientific knowledge man has gained and deny the fact of evolution. I feel you are a bit daffy if you do.
However, as a devout atheist :) I am also not satisfied with the thought that an intelligence can spawn from a pure non-intelligence. I am comfortable viewing evolution as an intelligent "process" albeit an extremely low IQ'd one (measured against human standard tests) that has taken billions of years to make... Us.
(BTW, Brainz IS the missing link.)
So now we got all these mini-me ID's running around pondering their existence.
God, I hope we're smart enough not to kill all ourselves. Hahahahaha
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I think the Universe is so vast in so many multi-dimensional way that humans will never understand it fully. And I like it. :)
Often people use 'God' as a generic concept to express this immeasurable vastness, its perfect functioning, its apparent eternity and its relative benevolence allowing us to exist. It's hard not to be humbled by the magnificence of the Universe, and we have to be humbled in front of something or someone - a 'God' serves that purpose, an all-encompassing representation of what is above and beyond us.
Some people find it appealing to think it evolved this way over a long time, while other people feels better to think the sum is so great and the Laws so precise it just cannot have been a random thing.
One thing is sure: the numerous interacting Laws of this universe are mind-boggling! Everything holds together pretty well, be you a planet, a plant, a rock, a human or a hydrogen atom in the interstellar void. This place ROCKS! B)
Now back to listening Tabula Rasa from Arvo Pårt...
Ditto that ^
Very good post huggy.
Lord,
The high people get it!
Maybe we should legalize
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Dammit, dammit, dammit. You bastards are starting to suck me back into the forums again!
As for me, I'm just amused that people think God and Evolution are exclusive. There was a day when Galileo's work was considered to be a work to disprove the existence of God. I thought we'd grown beyond that.
Nonetheless, a fascinating piece of news, Tally. Now let's have that discussion on just how reliable the fossil records are to begin with! :P
What do I think? I think God may have started it, but the system adapts and improves on its own. Just because you can prove that the clock turns its own hands, doesn't disprove the existance of the clock-maker.
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By the way, I went to the Tank Museum in Fort Knox Kentucky. It was fascinating!
The first tank concept was just a large wooden dome on wagon wheels with portals for the rifles.
Later on the concept was taken to wheeled tractors with a large shield on the front for small machine guns.
Eventually, the design moved to full-surround armor with multiple weapons using claw-wheels.
Then came the models with full treads and rocker suspension and an actuatiing turrent.
Step-by-step....the models improved until you stood in the glory of the M1A1 Abrahms tank with torsion-bar suspension, 4-weapon systems and a Turbine engine.
Every step of evolution was well-documented and recorded. Every improvement could be traced back to the roots of a wooden wagon.
Obviously, there was no "hand" in "designing" these. They must have"evolved" over the years. The designs that were "fit" to "survive" the rigors of all the past wars show in today's models.
You bible-beaters and fossil-scrutinizers amuse me.
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^ !
good to have ya back, if youre really back B)
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Cows man! Glad to see you back!
Good to see posting JB. I think that first tank concept should have been a Knight on a horse :)
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I'll probably hang around the forums. I've missed this place. It's a bit hard for me to find any game time, though.
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Fossils shmossils.
I've been converted by the design of a banana...it could not have come about by chance.
the 3:30 - 4:30 mark is a must see
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That kirk cameron is dreamy. I can't believe he used to be a "devout" atheist. The shame of it.
The banana and the car. God is so dynamic. Is there nothing [s]he can't do?
Scientists have made one of the most important fossil finds in history: a missing link between fish and land animals, showing how creatures first walked out of the water and on to dry land more than 375m years ago.
Palaeontologists have said that the find, a crocodile-like animal called the Tiktaalik roseae and described today in the journal Nature, could become an icon of evolution in action - like Archaeopteryx, the famous fossil that bridged the gap between reptiles and birds.
As such, it will be a blow to proponents of intelligent design, who claim that the many gaps in the fossil record show evidence of some higher power.
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H Richard Lane, director of sedimentary geology and palaeobiology at the US National Science Foundation, said: "These exciting discoveries are providing fossil Rosetta stones for a deeper understanding of this evolutionary milestone - fish to land-roaming tetrapods."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,,1747926,00.html?transitionalbaby