It's true the new 2 part series started last night really showed that yes religion is the root to evil
a simple fact that 45% of all americans believe the world is less than 10000 years old where there is overwhelming evidence to support it has been around for 4.5bilion years

You idiots

Linky to chanel 4 and the start of the thingy ma jig
http://www.channel4.com/culture/microsites/C/can_you_believe_it/

Yeah, I believe in God and Trent Reznor (huge drug addict) is yours....nice. ;)

If I told you I was on a Crusade and I was going to kill every one at work in the name of God. Do you really think God should be held responsible for it? I sure don't, God has no more to do with it than he did with the crusades. The Crusades were motivated by greed not God, get your facts strait before you post.

Crusades to the East were in every way defensive wars. They were a direct response to Muslim aggressionan attempt to turn back or defend against Muslim conquests of Christian lands.

Christians in the eleventh century were not paranoid fanatics. Muslims really were gunning for them. While Muslims can be peaceful, Islam was born in war and grew the same way. From the time of Mohammed, the means of Muslim expansion was always the sword. Muslim thought divides the world into two spheres, the Abode of Islam and the Abode of War. Christianityand for that matter any other non-Muslim religionhas no abode. Christians and Jews can be tolerated within a Muslim state under Muslim rule. But, in traditional Islam, Christian and Jewish states must be destroyed and their lands conquered. When Mohammed was waging war against Mecca in the seventh century, Christianity was the dominant religion of power and wealth. As the faith of the Roman Empire, it spanned the entire Mediterranean, including the Middle East, where it was born. The Christian world, therefore, was a prime target for the earliest caliphs, and it would remain so for Muslim leaders for the next thousand years.

With enormous energy, the warriors of Islam struck out against the Christians shortly after Mohammeds death. They were extremely successful. Palestine, Syria, and Egyptonce the most heavily Christian areas in the worldquickly succumbed. By the eighth century, Muslim armies had conquered all of Christian North Africa and Spain. In the eleventh century, the Seljuk Turks conquered Asia Minor (modern Turkey), which had been Christian since the time of St. Paul. The old Roman Empire, known to modern historians as the Byzantine Empire, was reduced to little more than Greece. In desperation, the emperor in Constantinople sent word to the Christians of western Europe asking them to aid their brothers and sisters in the East.

That is what gave birth to the Crusades. They were not the brainchild of an ambitious pope or rapacious knights but a response to more than four centuries of conquests in which Muslims had already captured two-thirds of the old Christian world. At some point, Christianity as a faith and a culture had to defend itself or be subsumed by Islam. The Crusades were that defense.

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@ Kris

I'll explain to you how crazy you are after you consult a dictionary.

First off, how would one of the angriest people alive be an idol for me? I'm sure a slight NIN fan (not even that, I just posted some lyrics) has as much of a right to post as a hillbilly, right? Second off, mind explaining what it's about, then? Face it, the early explorers came to the New World for 3 things: gold, glory, and God. And what happened to entire native populations at a time? Down with smallpox. Religion's played a huge part in the history of the world, and it can't hold a candle to technology.

But still, it was done in the name of God not by God. I can kill you in the name of my dog, but that does not mean my dog had any part in it.

Last edited: Thursday, January 12, 2006 at 12:47:45 AM

Exactly my point. God doesn't do it directly; otherwise, it'd be all justified. Instead, God is used as an excuse , which makes it all the more difficult to tell the difference, and makes God an even more lethal (and misused) weapon!

Some great arguements being made in here. Let me join in:

Jesus at leisure was superior to Abraham in his rouge, munching a lozenge at the burial in Jerusalem of Hyperion the Jew who valued his billiards so highly. Quick! Quick! Hear the queer story how father and son one time sat in the house man to man eating bread and telling the tale of the fir on the road to the city by the sea following the coast to its fall full two fathoms deep. There they lived together served by the carrier, whose narrower mind through beer was sore and whose poor boy shivered over the fire all day lingering in a tangle of tactless empty instinct ineptly swallowing quarts of stingo.

@ DJ, I used to be angry. I used to go to the clubs, I grew up listening to the likes of the Dead Kennedys, Black Flag (seen em in concert) etc etc. Well, it took me a while, but being angry solves nothing.

Your last post I can totally agree with. I am not a bible beater by any means, but it worries me more and more what people feel about God on this site. ;)

Neither am I. I've never snapped at Sunday School (yes, I attended it until I got Bar Mitzvahed), and I still haven't started any threads about how God sucks or anything like that. I have bashed IDT, but that has no relation to God whatsoever.

I hate everyone equally, except for KKB. I toss a little extra hate his way.

44's parable is perplexing, yet I see it's value existentially and ephemerally, yet I wonder if it's true meaning touches the very existence of the ordinary tt'er.

"..narrower mind throug beer was sore...". I can relate. %)

Y'all keep this up and I'm calling Pat Robertson.....or maybe Stinkfingers....

In keeping with the rationale that God's always responsible for actions carried out in his name, I suppose we need to bring up the evils of science and technology. I mean, both are responsible for the deaths of millions of people with the inventions of destruction such as dynamite, bio/chem weapons and guns. Television, radio and the Internet are obviously evil since they pump porn, death and just plain sinful living into our homes (thanks Al Gore). And think of all the poor frogs, rabbits, mice and pigs killed at the hands of "scientists" and science students. Its terrible! Anyone who believes that science and technology are the good things are just deluded by their own blind trust in whatever a scientist tells them. Wake up!

:P

^ Very good.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/01/12/israel.robertson/index.html?section=cnn_latest

Robertson...criminy, can somebody shut this guy up? Or pull the plug on his cameras?

And while I'm at it, I suppose I should condemn all atheists since their social experiments in the former Soviet Union and present China are responsible for the deaths of millions of their own people, for whatever reason, including their attempts to express themselves and practice their faith of choice.

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Robertson... Refresh my memory, was it him who said to Barbra Walters (who, FYI, is Jewish) that all Jews would "unfortunately be consigned to hell"? Whoever it was (AND Robertson) got H4xX0Rz3d big-time either way.

@Memphis - and THAT'S why I'm not going to Regent University. ;)

Speaking of Robertson...

Thats like saying guns is the root of all deaths.

Man is evil, not the objects or ideas that surrounds him.

People need to take more reasponsilblity for what they are.

Peace

Last edited: Thursday, January 12, 2006 at 9:53:46 PM

Speaking of my pastor ;)

Religion is not nearly the root of all evil, but the differences between separate religions and the human mind are parts of it. What manufactures evil is the fact that everybody is different and no one can accept all the differences in the world. Its not so much that we outright hate every other religion, country, ethnicity/race, gender, economic status, and beliefs, its that we feel so much of a loyalty towards our own that we can never fully live with every other person in the world. Humans are pretty loyal towards their leaders on the whole, and things do get worse if a leader orders their followers towards hatred (not pointing any fingers). People will even hate without being told to, because of the loyalty factor and the differences. Loyalty to ideas, loyalty to other people, you name it. From this you can never have complete peace because someone will always want it their way, and hatred develops when they are denied. Lots of times war will stem from this, and Genocide eventually comes (think about it, a war is over differences so if you destroy the Others completely, you win, even when its not a declared war!), its just natural. This is going to be a major cliche, but we have to really learn to accept each others differences. EVERYONE HATES SOMEONE BECAUSE OF A STEREOTYPE. Just think of some of the following: Catholics, Jews, Protestants, Mormons, yuppies, hippies, conservatives, democrats, right and left wingers, independents, greens, pinkos, commies, socialists, dumb people, smart people, rednecks, hillbillies, country musicians, classical musicians, pop singers, boy bands, rock bands, metal bands, blue collar, white collar, midwest, east, west, canadians, mexicans, americans, billionares, hobos, middle class, upper class, texans, floridians, goths, punks, preppies, jocks, this list goes on (And I guarantee that you all hate at least one group on this list).

MY POINT: Religion IS NOT the root of all evil! This coming from ME will probably be a shock to people like Jacob BUT I AM SAYING IT. RELIGION IS AN EXTREMELY GOOD THING, AND YOU NEED TO GET OVER YOURSELF KRISTOFFER!

*I thank Vash for inspiring me to write this much, and starting off that "ideas" rant*
Heres to you, buddy! XD

Last edited: Thursday, January 12, 2006 at 11:55:44 PM

^np, glad I could help.

Peace