Read the statement to yourself, then state if you agree or disagree.
It's a poll of sorts.

Well fatty...there are two ways into Yale and Harvard. One, you earn your way in with EXCELLENT GRADES, and an impressive extra-curricular resume. Or two...cronyism.

Given what we know about GW...we all suspect the latter. The man cannot generate a complex sentence in real time without fragmenting it into mazes, stammers, restarts, malapropisms, and other assorted bastardizations.

So, it seems quite likely to all of us that GW joins the ranks of harvard and yale grads who get in on the coat-tails of more erudite ancestors...

As for "not thinking so" -- I doubt if thinking is one of your strong suits. Now, isn't there something on Fox that you are missing out on right now?

http://www.tcf.org/Publications/Education/leftbehindrc.pdf details why it is that only the upper socio-economic students get into ivy league schools...

An interesting look at getting into these schools from slate. http://slate.com/Default.aspx?id=2112215&

So, it seems DUMBASSES GET IN ALL THE TIME, AS LONG AS THEY ARE RICH. DUMBASS.

Now I'm reaching all the way back: "So what conclusions should we draw? The important conclusions aren't about whether Bradley is really smart or Bush is really dumb. They're about ways in which these two are actually similar. Above all, both of them are beneficiaries of affirmative action. A 566 verbal would not have gotten you into the Yale Class of 1968, especially with mediocre prep-school grades, if you weren't also the son—and grandson, for good measure—of a Yale alumnus. Likewise a 485 verbal wouldn't get you into the Princeton Class of 1965, if you weren't also a star basketball player."

A 566 verbal? What a moron!

http://www.insidepolitics.org/heard/heard32300.html

I'd wager quite a few of us did much better than that on our SATs.

Stink, can u take this one?

Ex post facto postage.
I left the window open :).
nice job, finger.

640 verbal woot lol giggle.

:) its done ho :)

Interesting last linky, stinky :o

Well, like a lot of others I've seen on bulletin boards, you provided some interesting links based on your ability to google a response. However, is there any legitimacy behind the links you posted? Should we really believe everything linked from the net just because it sounds good? While I do not doubt that some college's admittance policy reflects one's wealth or legacy, do you have any proof that GWB is one of them? Of course you don't. Does a SAT score really give a reflection of someone being smarter or dumber than someone else? Well, maybe only it does when it comes to verbal and math. Then again, how can one be certain those are GWB's actual scores? I admit, GWB isn't the greatest speaker and occasionaly says things that are truly wacky. How are his math skills? I don't know. But I bet hes counting more money than anyone on this board ever will. I guess its hard to understand people who attempt to slam the most powerful man in the world by calling him dumb. I feel even worse when an American doesn't provide the respect that he is due as the leader of their country. Although I am a Republican, I certainly would give respect to our President even if he were a Democrat.

Oh yeah, I enjoy watching Fox. I didn't have fantastic SAT scores. I graduated community college while I worked full time. I then became a police officer and left it to be the director of security of a thoroughbred race track, casino, golf course and hotel. I suppose I didnt have to think too hard after all.

You can save the angry rhetoric and stick to the facts: GW had a 566 verbal and a 660 math on his SATS. That is better than me. How abou you all?

Hilarious. He beat me by 6 points.
though I shall go to my grave claiming that the 5 hours of sleep I had the night prior knocked me down at least twice that :).
I'm veeeeeeeeehery bad at math.

Last edited: Friday, January 28, 2005 at 9:53:55 PM

I can respect an honest Liberal. ;)

Are you trying to say that you have a SAT score of 2480? The highest SAT score possible is a 1600, I think your math skills are a bit off.

I was under the mistaken assumption that the individual scores would cross over, they do not. I got a 28 on my act's which is an average of four areas; sat's are a sum total of two areas. Apparently, 'W' and I are in the same boat.

I beat the dumbass by almost 200 on the verbal...he beat me by almost 100 on the math...

Net gain: stinko...stinko for president. "peance freeance" for all.

You beat some unofficial internet posted SAT scores. Also, I believe the SAT's were first introduced in the 50s. Im willing to bet your test was a lot different than the earlier versions. But according to earlier posts, GWB got in due to his economic status not his scores. If that is the case, why would he have taken the test at all? SAT's are racially biased anyway, didn't you know that? (sarcasm)

You think he did? Sucker...

^true...better to go by %s than the standard scores...in any cases, its apples and oranges, isn't it?

I don't think its a good idea to proffer respect upon a leader simply because he's the leader of your country, which is the gist of your argument above...i certainly doubt you would have said the same about hitler in 1939...right?

And fat chick, if you are insinuating that I google rather than think, you haven't been around here long, have you? Now, I got nasty with you above because you came in here posting GW's academic credentials and calling us dumbasses. His academic credentials are in some ways suspect and have been speculated on ad nauseum in the press and on the internet. In any case, they are not impressive in and of themselves...what gives the perception that he is a man of little intelligence is his inability to formulate coherent, articulate discourse. You may dispute the link between intelligence and expressive language skills if you like, though I can tell you that there is a strong correlation.

BTW: in 1994 they "recentered" the SAT scores to make the average score a 500. What this means is that if are comparing a test taken before April of '95 to one taken after you have to add a given amount to the score to to make up for this adjustment. (Of course Clinton in his state of the union talked about how SAT scores went up... Heh.)

A chart to do so: http://www.gapsc.com/TeacherTesting/SATRecentering.asp

So, for comparison reasons, Bush comes out with ~636 Verbal and ~650 Math. So how do you stack up again?

(Though I think this chart does well to convert 1993 scores to 1996 scores, I don't know if it holds true for 1975 scores. Also how many more times have they "recentered" the scores?)

"SAT's are racially biased anyway, didn't you know that? (sarcasm)"
If you think the SAT scores are not racially biased, please let me know so I can give you some references.
In other news, this is what blind following sounds like:
http://movies.internetvetsfortruth.org/f911/f911-trust.mov
Ignore everything after britney spears if you like. Our presidents are not divinely inserted. That went out, like, 500 years ago when kings heads started rolling off wooden platforms.
The president receives his power from us and from his office; god doesn't enter the equation, and neither does divinity.
"But I bet hes counting more money than anyone on this board ever will."
Well, as the inheritor of bajillions of shiny gold coins, I guess he's qualified.
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What has he done to earn respect? Enlighten us with some things that have impressed you.
The only thing I can think of is that he's still in office [a comment without humor].
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Who cares about Bush's SAT? He could've been banging a book on his head in his office when he became the bush he is today.

Last edited: Saturday, January 29, 2005 at 8:38:22 PM

Fuel for the irrelevant fire; For what it's worth, the following was published pre-election, last fall on Salon.com. The subject of this article is a professor of Business at Harvard upon whom George Bush made a memorable impression:

His former Harvard Business School professor recalls George W. Bush not just as a terrible student but as spoiled, loutish and a pathological liar.
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By Mary Jacoby

Sept. 16, 2004 | For 25 years, Yoshi Tsurumi, one of George W. Bush's professors at Harvard Business School, was content with his green-card status as a permanent legal resident of the United States. But Bush's ascension to the presidency in 2001 prompted the Japanese native to secure his American citizenship. The reason: to be able to speak out with the full authority of citizenship about why he believes Bush lacks the character and intellect to lead the world's oldest and most powerful democracy.
"I don't remember all the students in detail unless I'm prompted by something," Tsurumi said in a telephone interview Wednesday. "But I always remember two types of students. One is the very excellent student, the type as a professor you feel honored to be working with. Someone with strong social values, compassion and intellect -- the very rare person you never forget. And then you remember students like George Bush, those who are totally the opposite."
The future president was one of 85 first-year MBA students in Tsurumi's macroeconomic policies and international business class in the fall of 1973 and spring of 1974. Tsurumi was a visiting associate professor at Harvard Business School from January 1972 to August 1976; today, he is a professor of international business at Baruch College in New York.

Trading as usual on his father's connections, Bush entered Harvard in 1973 for a two-year program. He'd just come off what George H.W. Bush had once called his eldest son's "nomadic years" -- partying, drifting from job to job, working on political campaigns in Florida and Alabama and, most famously, apparently not showing up for duty in the Alabama National Guard.
Harvard Business School's rigorous teaching methods, in which the professor interacts aggressively with students, and students are encouraged to challenge each other sharply, offered important insights into Bush, Tsurumi said. In observing students' in-class performances, "you develop pretty good ideas about what are their weaknesses and strengths in terms of thinking, analysis, their prejudices, their backgrounds and other things that students reveal," he said.
One of Tsurumi's standout students was Rep. Chris Cox, R-Calif., now the seventh-ranking member of the House Republican leadership. "I typed him as a conservative Republican with a conscience," Tsurumi said. "He never confused his own ideology with economics, and he didn't try to hide his ignorance of a subject in mumbo jumbo. He was what I call a principled conservative." (Though clearly a partisan one. On Wednesday, Cox called for a congressional investigation of the validity of documents that CBS News obtained for a story questioning Bush's attendance at Guard duty in Alabama.)
Bush, by contrast, "was totally the opposite of Chris Cox," Tsurumi said. "He showed pathological lying habits and was in denial when challenged on his prejudices and biases. He would even deny saying something he just said 30 seconds ago. He was famous for that. Students jumped on him; I challenged him." When asked to explain a particular comment, said Tsurumi, Bush would respond, "Oh, I never said that." A White House spokeswoman did not return a phone call seeking comment.
In 1973, as the oil and energy crisis raged, Tsurumi led a discussion on whether government should assist retirees and other people on fixed incomes with heating costs. Bush, he recalled, "made this ridiculous statement and when I asked him to explain, he said, 'The government doesn't have to help poor people -- because they are lazy.' I said, 'Well, could you explain that assumption?' Not only could he not explain it, he started backtracking on it, saying, 'No, I didn't say that.'" If Cox had been in the same class, Tsurumi said, "I could have asked him to challenge that and he would have demolished it. Not personally or emotionally, but intellectually."

Bush once sneered at Tsurumi for showing the film "The Grapes of Wrath," based on John Steinbeck's novel of the Depression. "We were in a discussion of the New Deal, and he called Franklin Roosevelt's policies 'socialism.' He denounced labor unions, the Securities and Exchange Commission, Medicare, Social Security, you name it. He denounced the civil rights movement as socialism. To him, socialism and communism were the same thing. And when challenged to explain his prejudice, he could not defend his argument, either ideologically, polemically or academically."

Students who challenged and embarrassed Bush in class would then become the subject of a whispering campaign by him, Tsurumi said. "In class, he couldn't challenge them. But after class, he sometimes came up to me in the hallway and started bad-mouthing those students who had challenged him. He would complain that someone was drinking too much. It was innuendo and lies. So that's how I knew, behind his smile and his smirk, that he was a very insecure, cunning and vengeful guy."
Many of Tsurumi's students came from well-connected or wealthy families, but good manners prevented them from boasting about it, the professor said. But Bush seemed unabashed about the connections that had brought him to Harvard. "The other children of the rich and famous were at least well bred to the point of realizing universal values and standards of behavior," Tsurumi said. But Bush sometimes came late to class and often sat in the back row of the theater-like classroom, wearing a bomber jacket from the Texas Air National Guard and spitting chewing tobacco into a cup.

"At first, I wondered, 'Who is this George Bush?' It's a very common name and I didn't know his background. And he was such a bad student that I asked him once how he got in. He said, 'My dad has good friends.'" Bush scored in the lowest 10 percent of the class.

The Vietnam War was still roiling campuses and Harvard was no exception. Bush expressed strong support for the war but admitted to Tsurumi that he'd gotten a coveted spot in the Texas Air National Guard through his father's connections.

"I used to chat up a number of students when we were walking back to class," Tsurumi said. "Here was Bush, wearing a Texas Guard bomber jacket, and the draft was the No. 1 topic in those days. And I said, 'George, what did you do with the draft?' He said, 'Well, I got into the Texas Air National Guard.' And I said, 'Lucky you. I understand there is a long waiting list for it. How'd you get in?' When he told me, he didn't seem ashamed or embarrassed. He thought he was entitled to all kinds of privileges and special deals. He was not the only one trying to twist all their connections to avoid Vietnam. But then, he was fanatically for the war."
Tsurumi told Bush that someone who avoided a draft while supporting a war in which others were dying was a hypocrite. "He realized he was caught, showed his famous smirk and huffed off."

Tsurumi's conclusion: Bush is not as dumb as his detractors allege. "He was just badly brought up, with no discipline, and no compassion," he said.

In recent days, Tsurumi has told his story to various print and television outlets and appears in Kitty Kelley's exposé "The Family: The Real Story of the Bush Dynasty." He said other professors and students at the business school from that time share his recollections but are afraid to come forward, fearing ostracism or retribution. And why is Tsurumi speaking up now? Because with the ongoing bloodshed in Iraq and Osama bin Laden still on the loose -- not to mention a federal deficit ballooning out of control -- the stakes are too high to remain silent. "Obviously, I don't think he is the best person" to be running the country, he said. "I wanted to explain why."

Creepy...

Of course, that's just the kind of information that is very easily marginalized (witness below, I'm sure).

Wow.

Yawn.

LAUGHING MY ASS OFF !!!!!!!!!!!! ;)

Don't forget the deluxe edition Gee. ;)

Ok, Stink.

Always enjoy looking at the sources.

I found the article at Salon.com. It's called "The Dunce".

Then went to Harvard Business School. No such professor, current or retired.

Tiny bubbles, tiny tiny bubbles...

Last edited: Sunday, January 30, 2005 at 11:13:08 AM

http://zicklin.baruch.cuny.edu/faculty/profiles/tsurumi.html
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/13/bush.professor/
http://s88172659.onlinehome.us/Yoshi.mp3

GD liberal cnn, right jiggles?