There is a BIG difference between being confident and being arrogant. There are great examples of this on TT.

I am sure all of you know which players are great...which ones are confident and which ones are just plain arrogant (sometimes they are indeed talented, but nowhere near as good as they think they are).

I think Bolo, TG, OM, JamesBomb, and a few others are not only great players, but also exhibit some class and never rub inferior player's noses in anything like too many others do. The guilty shall remain nameless... They know who they are...and so do we all.

I just ask these elite players to check their ego at the door and remember that it is only a game and just because you can maneuver an animated tank across a computer screen better than most players does not make you anything special or any better than anyone else.

It's purely entertainment..and remember that there are human beings with real emotions sitting behind every tank you taunt and humiliate.

Also remember that it isn't personal. There's no reason to lose control of your emotions when someone gets the best of you. Some players seem to need an anger management course!

I am not just irritated by this for myself (because I can hang with most of them), I'm just speaking on behalf of all of the noobs and demos (not the idiot attacks) that get turned off by TT when they get crushed by the chest thumping vets who seem to use this game to boost their fragile self-confidence. I've played with a demo name and even a bot name to remain in the background and noticed the treatment noobs and demo's receive and it isn't nice.

Dats all... Now let's have fun out there... Ok?

Last edited: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 2:38:17 PM

Interesting examples.

Are the examples ordered most Arrogant to least? : )

Last edited: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 3:28:14 PM

@Prey

Lol... Not arrogant at all. Silly goose.

@Ho...

You're a Hall of Famer, so you are kind of arrogant, but then you have a good sense of humor, so that negates it.

:)

My mice will attest to the fact that I could take a Think Tanks anger management course!... LOL. There are also nights when I like to have some cheese with my Whine. Something about this game really gets to me if it is a bad night. Probably because my days are so chaotic and often very frustrating and I very much look forward to a late evening chatting with my tank buddies and playing scrum... If the whole night is shot because nothing is going right (which we have all endured) or poor concentration on my part, my flash point lowers and the veins in my head blow out. When I get to that point, I get pissy and usually exclaim a single "fu@k" to show my displeasure at how my night is going. Then I might whine a bit before retreating from a server, shutting down my computer, and curling up in the fetal position.

On thing that consistently bothers me are players that brag when they get a goal or toss around insults when they don't. It is amazing to me when someone scores and then says "You Suck" or something of that ilk. Those are usually the same people that diminish my score by saying that I have no skill. Don't even ask how many times I have beat someone only to be called a bi#@h or a c#@t. But I think these are usually the kids or the idiot newbies. There certainly are a few notable vets around here that are quick to insult if they are losing, these same vets are usually the ones that suddenly disappear from a game that they are losing without so much as a goodbye.

Note that I am NOT talking about the celebratory "Woot!" or "Yes!" or "Yippee!" etc that tankers exclaim after a hard fought goal that they won... That is part of the fun of the game. I am more talking about those that choose to insult the other players, either directly attacking, or by bragging about their own superiority.

Anyway, where is the love?

Katherine

Last edited: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 4:12:06 PM

Doh!

I want to know who the GUILTY are.

That's much more interesting.

:-)

I'll ignore the comments from PREY and Tally right now.

@paisano, first off, I feel sort of honored to have been put on that list, but I wonder when we've played against each other? If we have, I don't recall it. Maybe you were under an alias? I only ask because I see you consider me a great player. I personally don't see myself as a great player. Above average yes, but great? I'm not so sure.

As for the topic, I agree that there is a difference between arrogance and confidence, but I don't think it's a BIG difference; more of a fine line in some cases.

I studied martial arts for 15+ years, and if there is one thing I can say I learned (amongst many things) it's that there is always, repeat ALWAYS someone better than you. Being the "best" is a fallacy. You learn this when studying as I did, because having arrogance in your abilities can lead to big problems (and harm to both body and ego). On the flipside, you have to be confident in your ability, or you'll be crushed. Now, this is all in regards to self defense and such, but to a smaller degree it holds true in a situation such as this. (bruised egos)

Arrogance is just an unbecoming quality in general I feel. Confidence is admirable. But it's easy to mistake between one and the other.

I find nothing more annoying than players who feel they need to put others down to feel good about themselves. Small penis complex maybe? Fortunately I haven't seen too many players that exhibit this. Most people here are here to have a good time and nothing more.

OM

Hee hee! Bolo is a Hall of Famer too, y'know!

Arrogance is just a word for Confidence when applied to people you don't like. :P I know there is probably a more technical difference, but that seems to be how it is used. From the dictionary:

Arrogance = Overbearing pride (pride = feeling of personal worth). Confidence = Belief in yourself and your abilities.

Eh...tough call. They just change the wording to give it the negative/positive feel respectively.

- BombJames Bomb

@OM, you and I have played together a million times. You are a very very good player, but more than that you are a gentleman and a good natured person. I agree that you belong on the list of the goodguys of scrum.

Eek. I always feel a bit itchy when put on someone's list.

@TankGirl - well thanks Kate! That means a lot coming from you :)

Also, I don't disagree with you concerning my good nature. That is simply who I am, so it's not do to any effort on my part. I really enjoy playing with everyone and all the great personalities in this game and community. I feel like I've got a nice little group of "virtual friends" here.

As for my scrumming/TT abilities, I don't like to think of myself as great because I don't feel I am, and more importantly, I believe that when one starts to think they are great, they close themselves off a bit from continuing to learn and grow. At least that's how I feel about it. I want to keep learning as much as I can, so I stay as humble as possible.

Humble has an OM in it!

Last edited: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 4:43:02 PM

@Tally Ho... Can you autograph your ThinkTank Card for me?

Gives me the big tank noise when it runs through the spokes....

Last edited: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 at 4:57:05 PM

Heh. PREY, I have so much trouble at times telling if you're being serious or facetious. :)

@OM, I've played with/against ya often with different aliases... You are too modest, but I will respect your wishes and not call you great anymore. Ok? I just meant overall, skill plus sportsmanship (as TG seconded), you are a great competitor. I totally agree with your take on confidence and never believing you are the best. I believe that all of us are perpetual works in progress in everything we do, think and feel. We can always improve in everything we experience.

@JB, yes, tis true that one's personal opinion does tinge one's perspective on things. Big time! So, you are correct about some people using the word arrogance instead of confidence merely out of some kind of personal vendetta or disdain for an opponent. The same thing happens on just about every frigging goal in scrum! For every hard earned defensive swipe (ahem, Tally), there will be some dweeb who types "CAMPER!"

For every well-calculated maneuver that results in a spectacular acrobatic goal (ahem, Bolo & TG), there will be a gufus typing "Lucky!"

And on and on it goes.

@TG, good points about dealing with emotions. Yes, we all have our good days and bad daze. Some are more demonstrative than others (where mice have to scurry in a hurry to hide) but that's one of the great things about TT. You never know what's going to happen in any game. It changes every time no matter what you try to do. The map can be the same, the number of players the same, but it's always different.

@OM

Actually PREY is being satirical. I use to love to put those cards in my spokes too. But I would NEVER, I mean NEVER, put an autographed one in. Unless it was Bolo's.

:-)

Can you High five a Flea?

I think you have to Down Low a flea :)

THREE WAY DOWN LOW!

I'm 100% confident that I'll be (and have been) beaten to a pulp by everyone mentioned here.

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Is that arrogance?

@ all

Some great points above!!

Well I cant say that im the most softspoken person in TT...I like to speak my mind. The good and the bad. I usually chat more "n1" than anybody else in game...funny how when I pull some real good moves nobody says a word except the true sportsman among us...However I am also the first one to say "1 on 3....comon!" I am not trying to sound arrogant but to offer an alternative to repeating the same mistake...I make more mistakes than most people and I have no right to chastize anyone for screwing up...it sounds like I do sometimes but it usually isnt intended that way

I have to admit that mars and I could get into some pretty colorful language...since he left I rarely if ever say anything negative about anyone...i think I need to work on my delivery....when I say "hey blue shoot more" I am merely suggesting a different strategy other than the one that is making us lose...its not a sign post that says I know it all...hell I am still a noob in several aspects of the game....take my psycho team for instance...rooks and jb know that my strategies and suggestions were all in good meaning and I doubt they disliked me for speaking my mind...

Also I like to sometimes talk trash to a few TT players that have an AMAZING talent for funny responses..such as stinkfingers, vash, TG, sluggy, hugo, tally, ween....if u hear me talking trash to them its just for fun...hell me and stink yell "SOB" at each other the whole game sometimes just for grins...its for fun...there are those few vets out there who are members of bolo-haters anonomous but I try to ignore them...everybody expects me to be insensitive to slanderous remarks but I am not allowed to say anything back....that doesnt fly with me...sometimes im in a mood and its best to leave me alone...rant over...cya on the field

B

Last edited: Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 2:58:02 AM

SOB

PS: played with tally lots....he's once of the least arrogant "elites" in the game

Its a shame that this is an across the board problem in TT. I agree with most of what is been said. The only solution that I can see is to play under aliases, but does that mean that the dark side of the game win because we are being pushed to the underground. Hmmm. I am currently experiecing this problem with a certain player in TT 'Arrogance '. I am hoping that public humiliation will making realize the damage that he is doing not only to the me, but also to TT in general. On the flip side, by talking about it are we giving them their 15 minutes of fame, thus fuelling the situation, remember, and I am not trying to be persimistic, but what can be done at the end of the day other than use the ignore script.

Lauryn^TM

Last edited: Thursday, April 15, 2004 at 9:27:53 AM

SOFB

Sorry Bolo but Im not up to scratch with all of the net jargon. What does SOFB mean????

U dont want to know....stink and I have our own little language...lol

B