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Stripped American theologian the Rev. Charles Curran of the right to teach because he encouraged dissent.

Crippled Latin Americans supporting the popular liberation theology movement for alleged Marxist leanings.

Came down hard on efforts to rewrite Scriptures in gender inclusive language.

Offered no flexibility on the churchs views on priestly celibacy, contraception and the ban on ordinations for women.

Denounced rock music as the vehicle of anti-religion.

Dismissed anyone who tried to find feminist meanings in the Bible.

Told American bishops that it was allowable to deny Communion to those who support such manifest grave sin as abortion and euthanasia.

Called Buddhism a religion for the self-indulgent.

Suggested Turkeys bid to join the Europe Union conflicted with Europes Christian roots.

Called demands for European multiculturalism as a fleeing from what is ones own.

Me and my fundy friends are dancing in the streets right about now. Let's hope he'll support the war in Iraq and take a stand against those crazy muslims. Yee haw!

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Wednesday, April 20, 2005 at 12:51:32 AM

Uh..........ya

Wednesday, April 20, 2005 at 1:00:39 AM

Welcome to the era of neo-conservative catholicism.

 

Wednesday, April 20, 2005 at 2:05:34 AM

Ho Ho Holy? %)

Wednesday, April 20, 2005 at 2:08:37 AM

That was pretty gay....

Wednesday, April 20, 2005 at 3:02:26 AM

He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 44 (Flea. 13:16-18).

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Wednesday, April 20, 2005 at 6:57:46 AM
44

(evil laughter)

Wednesday, April 20, 2005 at 11:31:33 AM
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American catholics are in big trouble under this guy. I suspect it's going to be real hard to take your birth control pills...perhaps secretly support a woman's right to choose...be comfortable with sex outside of marriage...and then go to mass, get communion and not walk out feeling like you are a total hypocrite and damned to spend an eternity in hell.

But, ain't that the way it should be?

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Wednesday, April 20, 2005 at 11:35:26 AM

@44 - r u Catholic? If not, why do you even care?

Wednesday, April 20, 2005 at 1:56:07 PM

I'm not Catholic, but we have a good friend that's a professor of religious studies. A reporter emailed her looking for her thoughts about the selection of Cardinal Ratzinger as pope. She forwarded her response to my wife last night. Thought it was a good read. (Italics are hers)

 

As a Catholic woman and church history professor who is deeply concerned with many of the Church's moral teachings (e.g.,priestly celibacy, women's ordination, divorce, issues of sexuality, and stem cell research), I am deeply distressed at the selection of Joseph Ratzinger as Pope Benedict XVI. In the wake of the abuse scandal in the United States and elsewhere, priest shortages and dwindling vocations in North America and Europe, and the need for a universal Church to embrace and understand all of its constituents throughout the world, I feel the choice fails to recognize the importance of dialogue and diversity of opinions that exist in today's Church. Obviously, the Church has never been a democracy; neither, however, has it been unchanging through the centuries. Vatican II in the sixties showed the potential for change because of the Catholic tradition and the powerful role of a pope. Ideas that were unheard of or heretical in the Middle Ages -- a vernacular mass, the cup for the laity, women eucharistic ministers -- became the norm as a result of the Vatican II Council. The Church in Europe already has among the lowest attendance rates in the world, especially in countries where the majority religion is Roman Catholicism (i.e. Italy and France). Ireland has among the lowest priestly vocations in the world. Although regular attendance at mass and in church activities is greater in North America than in Western Europe, polls and behaviors have suggested for some time that American Catholics disagree with many of the moral teachings of the Church -- whether it be forbidding even discussion of the ordination of women or refusing to allow birth control, even when this is necessary to prevent the spread of HIV/AIDS. Conservatives have dismissed such people as "cafeteria Catholics." The Curia can look down on 'Cafeteria Catholics', but if it does not address the issues that have led to so many adopting such a position, it cannot remain a universal church.

Cardinal Ratzinger, in his position as head of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith (the Inquisition in premodern times) has led the increasingly conservative wing of the Catholic Church in recent years in this role and in his theological writings and discouragement of dissent in any form. Even in medieval times, in universities scholars (who were in holy orders) could discuss any theological subject within the confines of the university. The idea that an idea may not even be discussed by a Catholic priest or theologian (such as women's ordination) is at the very least offensive and at most a great disservice to a Church that is in need of all who believe in what the Church has been at its best and can be for so many.

We are at a crossroads in the modern world, when interfaith dialogue, pastoral care, attention to the poor and needy, and concern with the value of all men and women needs to be a major concern of the Church. I fear that the cardinals have appointed instead a theologian whose condemnation of 'moral relativism' at the opening of the conclave shows himself unwilling even to consider the changing role of the Church in the 21st century in response to real crises.

Only time will tell. Popes in the past who have been labeled at the time of their election have proven themselves open to the promptings of the Holy Spirit, however it led them. I can only hope that will be the case in the pontificate of Benedict XVI.

 

 

Wednesday, April 20, 2005 at 2:57:37 PM

My dad was gooing crazy yesterday, he was betting on someone different...

Wednesday, April 20, 2005 at 3:01:47 PM

I'm not Catholic, so maybe this is a bigger deal than I perceive...but...

Haven't we had enough media coverage? There was a webcam on the church or whatever to monitor the smoke...is this really the most newsworthy item? I just sense this is being played-up to draw attention away from something more important...either that or I'm an idiot. Mabye both.

Wednesday, April 20, 2005 at 3:55:17 PM
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@44 - r u Catholic? If not, why do you even care?

 

I'm not catholic. Why do I care? A fair question and a tough one to answer. Perhaps it's the devil in me. :)

I think I simply hold a very negative view of organized religion and believe it causes much more harm than good. I also hate watching catholic friends feeling guilty about things I consider are unrelated to the quality of their character.

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Wednesday, April 20, 2005 at 11:38:51 PM

 

 

...be comfortable with sex outside of marriage...

 

LOL, when I first read that I thought you were refering to catholic swingers!

Thursday, April 21, 2005 at 12:39:07 AM

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