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The President's approval rating might be at an all-time low, but the body count in Iraq continues to climb!
Another 85 bodies found in the last 24 hours . Wow, the War in Iraq plan sure is working, huh?
Iraq has never known peace and harmony like it does now thanks to American democracy!
Who says the President doesn't have an exit strategy in Iraq? What he didn't say is that you can only leave if it's in a body bag. Doh!

Note: Look, I was all for our troops invading Iraq and truly believe they did have WMD (Weapons of Mass Destruction) but they moved it across the border in time. However, I think we should have left long ago.
The entire region is beyond our help. There is an insane suicidal death wish that MOST (not all) of these people have. Why the hell should we keep losing our boys and girls over there? Why? We're just as insane for the sacrifice. They will NEVER change.

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Tuesday, March 14, 2006 at 2:41:59 PM

I dont think ALL of the blame should be on the president...
He is not the ONLY person that makes decisions for our country.

There are others to blame, and they probably deserve it.
For instance:
Why dont you congratulate any generals for doing such a great job over there?
Who is giving orders to each and every soldier? The prez himself?

I am no expert but I do know that the president does not have enough power to deserve all of the blame.
Check 'n Balances guys.

 

 

 

 

Tuesday, March 14, 2006 at 5:37:34 PM

@Warfare
Very good point. Didn't mean to imply that Bush deserves all the blame (nor all the credit when things go right, accidentally of course). However, he IS the leader and blame (responsibility) comes with the job description.
The other people with enough power who share the blame still report to him. Also, he refuses to acknowledge the truth of this fiasco. He will never do so and thus the only hope of saving the lives of our men and women rests with the next election and the next president/new cabinet.

Tuesday, March 14, 2006 at 6:07:35 PM

^ true dat. I totally agree with you

 

 

 

 

Tuesday, March 14, 2006 at 9:57:18 PM

Since there is a citizen's arrest, can't there be a citizen's impeach with a majority vote?

Tuesday, March 14, 2006 at 10:11:07 PM

The buck stops up there. I agree with ^^ and ^^^, nice points.
Wow... 85 bodies in 1 day? Right after a Newsweek article about a doctor's firsthand experiences there. This war has a higher death rate than in Vietnam or Korea by now! Unbelievable. All we need is an up-to-date quote of the prez saying it's working.

Tuesday, March 14, 2006 at 10:41:17 PM

Before:

After:

Yup, looks all clean and free. Good job guys.

[I can sensationalize ANYTHING. Don't take it personally.]

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Tuesday, March 14, 2006 at 11:01:52 PM

"The entire region is beyond our help. There is an insane suicidal death wish that MOST (not all) of these people have. Why the hell should we keep losing our boys and girls over there? Why? We're just as insane for the sacrifice. They will NEVER change."

Not to sound like an ass but why should they change? Change isn't the best thing sometimes... Also something to think about, should we switch places do you really think americans responses be any different?

Its one thing if they did have WMD's because personally I think they should get rid of and never reproduce such things, not because they kill a lot of people but the side effects on the planet.

Humm... And I agreed for most of the other stuff you said.

 

Wednesday, March 15, 2006 at 1:51:14 AM

Well what you have done? I know the war in Iraq hasn't been looking so great thus far, but we got rid of Saddam and have hurt the Taliban especially hard since we have captured many top officials..now where is "Garbage bin" Laden?

Hmm.....

EDIT: this was not a reply to soulless's post, just a general reply to the thread topic

 

 

 

 

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Wednesday, March 15, 2006 at 1:55:39 AM

"Note: Look, I was all for our troops invading Iraq and truly believe they did have WMD (Weapons of Mass Destruction) but they moved it across the border in time."

Where'd you get that Pai? Legitimate sources? That sounds like letting yourself off the hook a little. All indications are that they hadn't invested in their WMD programs for years, that they were in tatters. And this administration knew that.

No doubt, Iraq is a GD mess. Let's all reflect on this a tad...and reflect on the degree to which we each played a part. Just so we don't do this again real soon. Did you buy into the hype? Did you vote for this twerp in '04? Do you support his continued undermining of our civil rights because he talks tough about the bad guys (yet does nothing about them)? Do you fall for the GOP line that criticizing the Preznit weakens America's image in the eyes of our enemies, therefore, support the clown like a good patriot?

Seriously, lets not fall for this crap again.

 

Wednesday, March 15, 2006 at 3:37:48 AM

Ps spirit, I don't know if you watch the news much, but word is that the taliban is on the rise in afghanistan. It seems that our focus shifted to iraq before we'd finished the job in afghanistan...and with respect to iraq: the cia and other intelligence agencies concede that it has become a breeding ground for new recruits into anti-american militancy.

 

 

Wednesday, March 15, 2006 at 3:41:08 AM

Wishful thinking stinks,

These are the same people who voted for Bush
twice.

TWICE.

I am afraid that the people like Spirit out number the people
who can actually think for themselves.

I am sure bush will leave office as a hero.

I look forward for yet another bush presidency....(JEB)

Peace

 

Wednesday, March 15, 2006 at 7:08:57 PM

@Vash
I doubt Bush will leave on a high note. His approval rating is at an all-time low.
I think most people have finally woken up...yeah even those who voted for him twice.

@Stinky
True. I might be rationalizing and justifying the whole invasion. I look at it like this... Going to Iraq was like the cops breaking into someone's home because they felt they had sufficient justification and legal jurisdiction to do so without the need for a legal search warrant. Bush and his regime obviously were convinced that Iraq had WMD and so did most of us. I still like to believe they had it and just moved them in time. Polly anna? Maybe.

Wednesday, March 15, 2006 at 8:21:23 PM

:) maybe.
"most of us" were not in possession of the same intelligence that the WH had at the time. Since that time, information has come out and been in the press about contrary evidence. Evidence that suggested that iraq did not have WMD at the time. Bush et al had access to this intelligence. Also remember that a number of WH insiders have related that right after 9/11, bush was fixated on establishing a link to iraq. Richard clark has related this info, and it was recently discussed in the NYTimes.

Anyway, I'm not trying to fry anyone's hash. Just saying that rather than rationalize, let's reflect a bit. We were eager for some good ol revenge, and we let this guy swindle us into taking on his pet project. We done been had. Keep in mind, the chunk of debt each tax payer inherits so far is around 20gs each...with no end in sight.

This wasn't just a blunder. It was a major collapse of leadership bordering on criminality. Its made us all much worse off than we were before. Which I think was the main point of your initial post, no?

 

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Wednesday, March 15, 2006 at 9:01:34 PM

Speaking of pollyannas (:))

From FAIR: "The Final Word Is Hooray!"
Remembering the Iraq War's Pollyanna pundits
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2842

 

"Iraq Is All but Won; Now What?"
(Los Angeles Times headline, 4/10/03)

"Now that the combat phase of the war in Iraq is officially over, what begins is a debate throughout the entire U.S. Government over America's unrivaled power and how best to use it."
(CBS reporter Joie Chen, 5/4/03)

"Congress returns to Washington this week to a world very different from the one members left two weeks ago. The war in Iraq is essentially over and domestic issues are regaining attention."
(NPR's Bob Edwards, 4/28/03)

"Tommy Franks and the coalition forces have demonstrated the old axiom that boldness on the battlefield produces swift and relatively bloodless victory. The three-week swing through Iraq has utterly shattered skeptics' complaints."
(Fox News Channel's Tony Snow, 4/27/03)

"The only people who think this wasn't a victory are Upper Westside liberals, and a few people here in Washington."
(Charles Krauthammer, Inside Washington, WUSA-TV, 4/19/03)

"We had controversial wars that divided the country. This war united the country and brought the military back."
(Newsweek's Howard Fineman--MSNBC, 5/7/03)

"We're all neo-cons now."
(MSNBC's Chris Matthews, 4/9/03)

"The war was the hard part. The hard part was putting together a coalition, getting 300,000 troops over there and all their equipment and winning. And it gets easier. I mean, setting up a democracy is hard, but it is not as hard as winning a war."
(Fox News Channel's Fred Barnes, 4/10/03)

"Oh, it was breathtaking. I mean I was almost starting to think that we had become inured to everything that we'd seen of this war over the past three weeks; all this sort of saturation. And finally, when we saw that it was such a just true, genuine expression. It was reminiscent, I think, of the fall of the Berlin Wall. And just sort of that pure emotional expression, not choreographed, not stage-managed, the way so many things these days seem to be. Really breathtaking."
(Washington Post reporter Ceci Connolly, appearing on Fox News Channel on 4/9/03, discussing the pulling down of a Saddam Hussein statue in Baghdad, an event later revealed to have been a U.S. Military PSYOPS operation [stunt]--Los Angeles Times, 7/3/04)

 

Out today. How topical is that? No wonder we bought it. What the hell were the press thinking?

 

Wednesday, March 15, 2006 at 10:08:51 PM

This is amazing, ima just quote the rest...its amazing stuff:

 


"The war winds down, politics heats up.... Picture perfect. Part Spider-Man, part Tom Cruise, part Ronald Reagan. The president seizes the moment on an aircraft carrier in the Pacific."
(PBS's Gwen Ifill, 5/2/03, on George W. Bush's "Mission Accomplished" speech)

"We're proud of our president. Americans love having a guy as president, a guy who has a little swagger, who's physical, who's not a complicated guy like Clinton or even like Dukakis or Mondale, all those guys, McGovern. They want a guy who's president. Women like a guy who's president. Check it out. The women like this war. I think we like having a hero as our president. It's simple. We're not like the Brits."
(MSNBC's Chris Matthews, 5/1/03)

"He looked like an alternatively commander in chief, rock star, movie star, and one of the guys."
(CNN's Lou Dobbs, on Bush's 'Mission Accomplished' speech, 5/1/03)

Neutralizing the Opposition

"Why don't the damn Democrats give the president his day? He won today. He did well today."
(MSNBC's Chris Matthews, 4/9/03)

"What's he going to talk about a year from now, the fact that the war went too well and it's over? I mean, don't these things sort of lose their--Isn't there a fresh date on some of these debate points?"
(MSNBC's Chris Matthews, speaking about Howard Dean--4/9/03)

"If image is everything, how can the Democratic presidential hopefuls compete with a president fresh from a war victory?"
(CNN's Judy Woodruff, 5/5/03)

"It is amazing how thorough the victory in Iraq really was in the broadest context..... And the silence, I think, is that it's clear that nobody can do anything about it. There isn't anybody who can stop him. The Democrats can't oppose--cannot oppose him politically."
(Washington Post reporter Jeff Birnbaum-- Fox News Channel, 5/2/03)

Nagging the "Naysayers"

"Now that the war in Iraq is all but over, should the people in Hollywood who opposed the president admit they were wrong?"
(Fox News Channel's Alan Colmes, 4/25/03)

"I doubt that the journalists at the New York Times and NPR or at ABC or at CNN are going to ever admit just how wrong their negative pronouncements were over the past four weeks."
(MSNBC's Joe Scarborough, 4/9/03)

"I'm waiting to hear the words 'I was wrong' from some of the world's most elite journalists, politicians and Hollywood types.... I just wonder, who's going to be the first elitist to show the character to say: 'Hey, America, guess what? I was wrong'? Maybe the White House will get an apology, first, from the New York Times' Maureen Dowd. Now, Ms. Dowd mocked the morality of this war....

"Do you all remember Scott Ritter, you know, the former chief U.N. Weapons inspector who played chief stooge for Saddam Hussein? Well, Mr. Ritter actually told a French radio network that -- quote, "The United States is going to leave Baghdad with its tail between its legs, defeated." Sorry, Scott. I think you've been chasing the wrong tail, again.

"Maybe disgraced commentators and politicians alike, like Daschle, Jimmy Carter, Dennis Kucinich, and all those others, will step forward tonight and show the content of their character by simply admitting what we know already: that their wartime predictions were arrogant, they were misguided and they were dead wrong. Maybe, just maybe, these self-anointed critics will learn from their mistakes. But I doubt it. After all, we don't call them 'elitists' for nothing."
(MSNBC's Joe Scarborough, 4/10/03)

"Over the next couple of weeks when we find the chemical weapons this guy was amassing, the fact that this war was attacked by the left and so the right was so vindicated, I think, really means that the left is going to have to hang its head for three or four more years."
(Fox News Channel's Dick Morris, 4/9/03)

"This has been a tough war for commentators on the American left. To hope for defeat meant cheering for Saddam Hussein. To hope for victory meant cheering for President Bush. The toppling of Mr. Hussein, or at least a statue of him, has made their arguments even harder to defend. Liberal writers for ideologically driven magazines like The Nation and for less overtly political ones like The New Yorker did not predict a defeat, but the terrible consequences many warned of have not happened. Now liberal commentators must address the victory at hand and confront an ascendant conservative juggernaut that asserts United States might can set the world right."
(New York Times reporter David Carr, 4/16/03)

"Well, the hot story of the week is victory.... The Tommy Franks-Don Rumsfeld battle plan, war plan, worked brilliantly, a three-week war with mercifully few American deaths or Iraqi civilian deaths.... There is a lot of work yet to do, but all the naysayers have been humiliated so far.... The final word on this is, hooray."
(Fox News Channel's Morton Kondracke, 4/12/03)

"Shouldn't the [Canadian] prime minister and all of us who thought the war was hasty and dangerous and wrongheaded admit that we were wrong? I mean, with the pictures of those Iraqis dancing in the streets, hauling down statues of Saddam Hussein and gushing their thanks to the Americans, isn't it clear that President Bush and Britain's Tony Blair were right all along? If we believe it's a good thing that Hussein's regime has been dismantled, aren't we hypocritical not to acknowledge Bush's superior judgment?... Why can't those of us who thought the war was a bad idea (or, at any rate, a premature one) let it go now and just join in celebrating the victory wrought by our magnificent military forces?"
(Washington Post's William Raspberry, 4/14/03)

"Some journalists, in my judgment, just can't stand success, especially a few liberal columnists and newspapers and a few Arab reporters."
(CNN's Lou Dobbs, 4/14/03)

"Sean Penn is at it again. The Hollywood star takes out a full-page ad out in the New York Times bashing George Bush. Apparently he still hasn't figured out we won the war."
(MSNBC's Joe Scarborough, 5/30/03)

Cakewalk?

"This will be no war -- there will be a fairly brief and ruthless military intervention.... The president will give an order. [The attack] will be rapid, accurate and dazzling.... It will be greeted by the majority of the Iraqi people as an emancipation. And I say, bring it on."
(Christopher Hitchens, in a 1/28/03 debate-- cited in the Observer,
3/30/03)

"I will bet you the best dinner in the gaslight district of San Diego that military action will not last more than a week. Are you willing to take that wager?"
(Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly, 1/29/03)

"It won't take weeks. You know that, professor. Our military machine will crush Iraq in a matter of days and there's no question that it will."
(Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly, 2/10/03)

"There's no way. There's absolutely no way. They may bomb for a matter of weeks, try to soften them up as they did in Afghanistan. But once the United States and Britain unleash, it's maybe hours. They're going to fold like that."
(Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly, 2/10/03)

"He [Saddam Hussein] actually thought that he could stop us and win the debate worldwide. But he didn't--he didn't bargain on a two- or three week war. I actually thought it would be less than two weeks."
(NBC reporter Fred Francis, Chris Matthews Show, 4/13/03)

Weapons of Mass Destruction

NPR's Mara Liasson: Where there was a debate about whether or not Iraq had these weapons of mass destruction and whether we can find it...

Brit Hume: No, there wasn't. Nobody seriously argued that he didn't have them beforehand. Nobody.
(Fox News Channel, April 6, 2003)

"Speaking to the U.N. Security Council last week, Secretary of State Colin Powell made so strong a case that Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein is in material breach of U.N. Resolutions that only the duped, the dumb and the desperate could ignore it."
(Cal Thomas, syndicated column, 2/12/03)

"Saddam could decide to take Baghdad with him. One Arab intelligence officer interviewed by Newsweek spoke of "the green mushroom" over Baghdad--the modern-day caliph bidding a grotesque bio-chem farewell to the land of the living alongside thousands of his subjects as well as his enemies. Saddam wants to be remembered. He has the means and the demonic imagination. It is up to U.S. Armed forces to stop him before he can achieve notoriety for all time."
(Newsweek, 3/17/03)

"Chris, more than anything else, real vindication for the administration. One, credible evidence of weapons of mass destruction. Two, you know what? There were a lot of terrorists here, really bad guys. I saw them."
(MSNBC reporter Bob Arnot, 4/9/03)

"Even in the flush of triumph, doubts will be raised. Where are the supplies of germs and poison gas and plans for nukes to justify pre-emption? (Freed scientists will lead us to caches no inspectors could find.) What about remaining danger from Baathist torturers and war criminals forming pockets of resistance and plotting vengeance? (Their death wish is our command.)"
(New York Times' William Safire, 4/10/03)

 

 

 

Wednesday, March 15, 2006 at 10:10:20 PM

Liberal press anyone? Anyone still belief that load of crap?

 

Wednesday, March 15, 2006 at 10:10:43 PM

Heh, even dumb blondes have caught on to the Prez and given up on him. Jessica "Buffalo Wings are not made from Buffalos" Simpson dis'd the president !

 

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