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Alas! The American Dictatorship will have to wait a bit longer to shine in full glory! :[
Boooooooooo! Buck fush!
Pardon my rudeness, I cannot abide useless people.
I never have liked the Patriot Act. = It's just like the Sedition Act and such that were passed during..which war was it? WWI?
Or more closely, the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798.
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I've nothing to hide. XD
Still wondering how else we're going to nab terrorists unless some of our most basic rights are broken.
Any ideas?
Like a midget at a urinal, I was going to have to be on my toes.
Invite a retard to a picnic and you'd better expect to get drool in the potato salad.
I also have nothing to hide, but a similar law from German history may enlighten. (Similar content to the good post from Zeonic!)
The Decree of the Reich President for the Protection of People and State (Reichstag Fire Decree) and subsequent Enabling Act that empowered Adolf Hitler to seize control of Germany are often compared to the USA PATRIOT Act.[18] The similarities are that both were passed after an act of terrorism, both were passed quickly, both limited civil liberties with the expressed purpose of protecting the people, and both were used in excess of their expressed purpose. The English translation of Article 1 of the DRPPPS states that the decree intends "...to restrict the rights to personal freedom, freedom of speech, including the freedom of the press, the freedom to organize and assemble, the privacy of letters, mail, telegraphs and telephones, order searches and confiscations and restrict property, even if this is not otherwise provided for by present law." The USA Patriot Act is not as explicit about its intentions, often wording the act in terms of what civil liberties and safeguards people have left.
The Reichstag Fire Decree differs from the USA PATRIOT Act in that the DRPPPS more explicitly seizes states rights and associates the death penalty with many offenses. Additionally, some of the USA PATRIOT Act has a sunset provision, whereas the set expiration date of the Enabling Act was dependent upon a succession of power, and the DRPPPS did not have a set expiration date. The USA PATRIOT Act and the Enabling Act were both passed by a freely elected Congress, whereas the DRPPPS was a "emergency decree" by the German president made at the behest of Chancellor Hitler.
Although the USA PATRIOT Act differs in some respects, the Reichstag Fire Decree and subsequent Enabling Act are cited as examples of how giving up civil liberties in times of crisis can be used to legally overthrow a government's constitution from within.
Wikkipedia (Patriot Act info)
Weakening the constitutional protections we enjoy is highly dangerous...
"Still wondering how else we're going to nab terrorists unless some of our most basic rights are broken."
... Well I'm still wondering how you can "nab" terrorists by tightening up the law, it's not like they follow the law (what with all the bombings and all).
Im with ROGUE. It's a tough call.
Isn't sacrificing our privacy/freedom just for a bit more security actually letting the terrorists win by letting them terrorize us enough to do such a thing?
Oh well... At least instead of another 6 years, it is only 3 months. GO FILIBUSTING DEMOCRATS!
Pardon my rudeness, I cannot abide useless people.
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The US Senate has done something I didn't think they had the nerve to do. They held up renewing the "Patriot" Act so that protection for individual rights gets more consideration.
See the story: http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2005-12-16T180103Z_01_RID664711_RTRUKOC_0_UK-SECURITY-PATRIOT.xml
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