I'm starting this one, but I'm borrowing the opener.

I can't but wonder who wrote this definition. You're bigoted if you're conservative and not if you're liberal? Is there a bias here??

Isn't is possible to be bigoted regardless of the position held? Can't someone be "blindly attached" to abortion and gun control? Prejudiced in favor of atheism? Intolerant of religious faith and expression?

Think I misread the topic, but BigToed people do seem pretty obnoxious. Maybe if they used these.

Liberal/Conservative: These are misleading - by the dictionary definitions of the words, when used as adjectives, the quote is pretty much correct. When applied to one's political leanings they no longer apply. A person who is conservative can be a bigot. A person who is A conservative can also be a bigot, but so can a person who is A liberal, rather than just liberal.

KBC...LOL... I thought the exact same thing. BigToed. I hate big toed people.... Does that make me a bigot?

Hiya Rabban, boy I bet you wanna tear into me right about now eh? Understandable and I hold no resentment toward you at all.... Not even a little.

I would like to make it clear, I am not prejudiced in favor of Atheism, I am only left with atheism since I am pushed away from pop-religion by "spiritual" bigotry in regard to my life choices. Not because I am a thief, murderer, liar, drug addict, etc.... But because my mate is sans a penis. (for the tenth time, doesn't that seem kinda silly?)

You will have to excuse me if I feel nothing but anger for those "corporate" entities that discriminate based on gender preferences.

You will have to accept that I hold no ill will toward you or your spirituality. I greatly respect people who embrace spirituality.

Katherine.

Here's one of several definitions from the dictionary :

So I guess you could find someone who was bigoted in their devotion to liberal causes. But bigoted liberals tend to be a bit thin on the ground, because resistance to bigotry is one of the things that makes a liberal a liberal. Certainly haven't spotted any bigoted liberals around here yet.

Kat,

I like to think we're starting to develop that "love/hate" relationship. I think there's more love for the person and well (dare I say it), irritation as some of the things the other says.

I don't bear you any ill will, you're just the lightening rod since you're the one making the outlandish XD statements. I don't know if you noticed, but JamesBomb was the one who first introduced religion into your "I feel pretty..." thread. I was just trying to respond to his post, but you know how things snowball.

What I'm trying, TRYING to do is represent the faith from the insiders POV and explain what and why I believe and hopefully correct some misconceptions about Christianity. There seems to be a lot of that here.

Hmmm, how to say this the right way. <Think, think, think> People don't really go to hell for whatever laundry list of sins they have committed, but for rejecting God's authority over their lives. That's the one thing that really keeps us from God. Sure, we're guilty of breaking God's laws and that separates us from Him, but God offers an easy way to restore our relationship with Him (think Easter). God's trying to reconcile with us, but when we reject His offer, He's got to judge us and send us away from His presence. So we all have a list of sins (no ONE thing) that breaks our union with God, but its our reluctance to ask for forgiveness that really seals the deal.

Rabban,

So I need to ask forgiveness for being attracted to a woman?

I understand what you are saying and I appreciate your input, but why would God even care that my mate has a light load in da shorts?

I realize that I keep reducing this issue to an oversimplified equation, but I cant help but wonder why? Kind of reminds me of a Baptist Sunday school class I attended where the teacher was going on an on about the pit of hell, fire and brimstone, pain and suffering and total darkness for eternity... I was a small girl asking what I thought was a serious question, I asked him why it is so dark if there is all that fire?...... He thought for a moment, then replied that the fire was black.

Ive never heard hell really talked about at church. Its been mentioned but since most of us arent going there, we dont really care

I cant explain as well as rabban so you should probably listen to him but ill take a shot.

You dont have to ask forgiveness for being attracted to a woman.(well maybe lusting) Its when you give into your temptation and go be a switch hitter. If I had to be honest, I believe people are born gay. Its just you have to fight off those feelings and not necessrily force yourself to be with a woman/man. Just dont be with whatever gender you are.

Hell's going to be crowded isn't it, but at least all the bigots will be safely locked up in Heaven.

Yes hell will be crowded, but I doubt that would be your primary concern.

How about some more definitions of bigot? Here's some from dictionary.com:

Bigot

N : a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own

No one here on either side of the debate is there? (sarcasm)

And for all of you oppressed OS users...

Bigot

N. [common] A person who is religiously attached to a

Particular computer, language, operating system, editor, or other

Tool (see religious issues). Usually found with a specifier;

Thus, `cray bigot', `ITS bigot', `APL bigot', `VMS bigot', `Berkeley

Bigot'. Real bigots can be distinguished from mere partisans or

Zealots by the fact that they refuse to learn alternatives even when

The march of time and/or technology is threatening to obsolete the

Favored tool. It is truly said "You can tell a bigot, but you can't

Tell him much." Compare weenie, Amiga Persecution Complex.

Amiga persecution complex

N. The disorder suffered by a

Particularly egregious variety of bigot, those who believe that

The marginality of their preferred machine is the result of some

Kind of industry-wide conspiracy (for without a conspiracy of some

Kind, the eminent superiority of their beloved shining jewel of a

Platform would obviously win over all, market pressures be damned!)

Those afflicted are prone to engaging in flame wars and calling

For boycotts and mailbombings. Amiga Persecution Complex is by no

Means limited to Amiga users; NeXT, NeWS, OS/2, Macintosh,

LISP, and GNU users are also common victims. Linux users used

To display symptoms very frequently before Linux started winning;

Some still do. See also newbie, troll, holy wars, weenie, Get a life!.

It ain't all 'bout religion folks

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I hate everyone equally. Does that make me bigotted?

TG,

I'm not ignoring you...I'm thinking. I want to give you a good answer, so I'm sorting it out. Please be patient.

===

In other news, I'd almost agree that I am a bigot in one sense. I'm going to hold to my views on faith (there is a God and He loves me) regardless, but I am open to new concepts within that realm. For example, at one point I felt it was wrong to drink alcohol no matter what. I've changed that view over the years to say its OK within moderation. I'd say many here are bigoted against religion, but somehow that's OK.

I also think I'm tolerant of other views even if I don't accept them. I think the word "tolerant" has been hijacked of late. If I didn't tolerate TG I wouldn't talk to her or play with her. I wouldn't visit with my dad's (who's straight) gay friend and joke around. I would shun him.

I think if you want to experience real intolerance and bigotry, git yourself on over to Iran. ;)

@Gnomie and Memphis, rofl

If you were born say in Quatar of Djakarta most likely you'd be muslim; born in Manilla or Québec you'd be catholic; born in Delhi or Calcutta you'd be Indu, born in Germany or England, a protestant, born in Israel or in a Jewish background, Judeism would be your thing; born in Lhassa or Thailand you'd be budhist, buddy. The surrounding and family where we grow up conditions our of beliefs.

Eventually it becomes self evident that there are many many ways to reach God.

Actually it's awesome - re. The diversity of paths leading to enlightment. Very much like our planet: so many flowers!

@ tally ho

Bigot

N : a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own

Yes, yes it does.

*sigh* And all of them claiming to be the One, True Way, and all other ways are False and Wicked, And Shall Surely Burn For All Eternity...

Hugo - Within the limits of my agnosticism I agree with you - if there is a God (or gods), I suspect that each religion is equally "in tune" - but that we humans in our need to form cliques and shut out all those outside it have made them elitist and exclusionary in order to make us feel better about ourselves.

@TG, you sure know how to stir things up a bit. I simply must laugh.

A lot of interesting and painful discussions about religion in this forum. Almost validates why I don't spend too much time in the forums lately. But overall, very interesting.

I think there may be a god that made everything, but whether onr not there is a god, our entire universe might also just be in one small corner of a quark inside a pile of dog crap in a much, much larger world. How important would we feel if our universe was suddenly picked up by a massive baggie-wrapped hand and tossed down the sewer? There would be millions of little tiny believers screaming a chorus of "God, why have you foresaken us?"... Followed closely by the Atheists looking more realistically at the situation while screaming a chorus of "God Da#n something stinks!!!".

I have to agree with TG and others that the old "follow us, believe us, or serve the devil in hell for eternity" routine is nothing short of ridiculous. Definitely one of the boldest membership drive campaigns in the history of mankind. Microsoft wouldn't even try that one.

Rabban, You seem like a good fellow so I wont insult you by insulting your beliefs.

@all believers who don't take credit or blame for your world under the umbrella of "It's Gods will".... My opinion, YOU are doing the miracles, YOU are responsible for everything that is good and bad about your world, YOU are in charge. Guess what, God doesn't protect you, he doesn't provide for you, he doesn't work in mysterious ways (one of the most laughable pacifiers), he doesn't put food on your table, he doesn't abandon you, he actually has nothing to do with you. IT IS ALL YOU, beyond what you have the power to control, it is all luck, it is all random, and it is all clearly definable from this perspective.

Anyway, just thought I would pipe in.....

YDR

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YOODOO!!!!!!

Where the heck have you been boy!!!!!!

I can't seem to stay out of trouble these days in the forums. Meeebeee a bit too preachy on my part eh? Can't help it lately, I love a massage but hate to be rubbed the wrong way.

Thanks for piping in... Very funny.

We gonna see you in the game anytime soon? I will be gentle.

Katherine.

Man alive, the forums are just cooking these days! :P

Are Rabban and TankGirl even in the same conversation? Rabban is trying to defend that he's not a bigot, and TankGirl is stating that there should be nothing wrong with being bisexual or atheistic...okay, sounds fine to me. Carry on! ;) I must be missing something if these two claims can not coexist.

@Rabban: a bigot is someone who refuses to consider a view that conflicts with his own, despite whatever evidence may occur. A religious person CAN be bigotted he believes with no thought. I'd like to say that you and I have reasons for our belief that are (so far) strong enough to stand against other people's statements. It would be unfair to call a person a bigot if they don't change their beliefs to match the last person they talked to.

@TankGirl: You pretty much know where I stand. I'm religious, but I pretty much agree that the bisexual thing is very overblown. Whoo, do you know how to poke a fire! I don't think Rabban is attacking you, but I certainly understand the need to defend yourself when a person (no matter how nicely they say it) states they believe you are on a path to hell. Your lifestyle isn't "normal" in this country, so you might as well get used to this.

You're going to be GENTLE to YDR? I don't believe it. I don't think you CAN be gentle! :P But, if you pull it off, save that satin glove for me too. I can feel myself getting rusty already!

@YooDooRight: Gotta feeling you are going to be a cool addition to the forums around here! In another thread, I pretty much stated that our given free will is what makes it all happen. We can choose for or against what we believe God has in mind, but either way, everything occurs due to what WE do. Wish people would stop crediting or blaming the guy.

@ALL: "Thou shalt not judge, lest ye be judged thyself." Since I'm pretty much unsure of what exactly God expects of me, I'll let HIM to all the judging in the afterlife. Honestly, we waste too much energy trying to dig out passages from a book for the purpose of finding ways to persecute people. Jesus did not say, "Though shalt convict, segregate, and persecute thy neighbor if their beliefs differ from yours." Seriously, knock it off.

@Tally Ho: You are a bigot, because you refuse to listen to reason and join me in my belief that "Thou shalt not make James Bomb look like a clumsy idiot as he repeatedly hands off his scrum to Tally just before the goal." :P Miss playing ya, man.

- Bomb...James Bomb

Given the current state of my religious affiliations and the attention I have grabbed in this forum, I decided to wear a new tank name last night in the game.... I thought for a few minutes of what funny or clever name that I could come up with that would poke a festive finger in the eye of my detractors.

I laughed for 20 minutes after the name "Gaytheist" popped into my head. Absolutely a perfect mockery of myself and this entire ongoing cross-thread religion vs life choices argument. I played for a while as "Gaytheist" then eventually modified the name to "GAtheist".

I was very surprised at the response I received for my name. A few of you thought it was funny, even Rabban got a kick out of it. But a number of you were apparently offended and some of you who have been long time TT buddies were downright insulting toward me. Not whining here, it was very interesting to measure the response. I chose that name to be controvertial.

Anyway, I thought it was interesting to see what came of it. Apparently there is a line that I crossed (nothing new there eh?) with the name. LOL , Very funny.

Katherine :)

R U saying that all atheists are gay? ;)

Lol rabban,

Nope, I put a label on myself and only myself.

Was that you last night TG? Those were some good games last night.

For my two cents, the path to destruction is broad while the path to eternal life is narrow. However I do agree with James. Who are we to judge? We are all sinners and I think the word that fits us all is "hypocrite."

LOL Daim.... Yup, that was me. Those were intense games, I was a nervous wreck by the time I stopped. Regarding my name, I always use different names these days but they all include a |TG| at the end, not trying to hide my identity, just wearing different clothes.

WHY DOES GOD CARE?

(How about an easier question next time, ok?)

Because God loves us and wants the best for us.

Unfortunately, that's the best I can do. I don't recall a lot of times God explaining why He does certain things. Sure, He'll explain why He's judging a certain town or people, but He didn't really say why such and such was wrong in the first place. At least, not overtly.

Consider the Garden of Eden. God created man and woman to be together. That union was a reflection of God's nature with each person representing half of God's characteristics. The union is also a picture of God's relationship to us (Christ as the groom of the bride, the Church). It is also God's best plan since that's who He put together in the beginning. Adam and Eve were equals who balanced out one another and demostated a love for someone other than oneself.

(Now the tough part)

A homosexual relationship doesn't reflect the relationship God intended. It's almost like a person loving the same things about themselves, rather than another person. I'm not talking about liking chocolate vs vanilla, but how men and women are hard-wired. There are ways a man and a woman challenge each other to grow that a same sex relationship can't replicate. The balancing of those two natures are the sum of God's nature. The onesided equation of a single sex relationship is the sum of man. So man is being honored more than God.

There are also other factors to consider.

These reasons are not reflective of God's character, but the results of living in a sinful world. A choice made based on one or more of these circumstances is a person seeking a remedy within themselves rather than looking outwardly to God. As part of that inward remedy, seeking the same sex for relationships is a rejection of God's plan and desire for our lives.

Well Rabban,

That was an interesting answer.

What about those of us that look at the spirit of the person, the love that the person has for the world, the intelligence of the person... And we fall in love with that person whether male or female. What would God say to me about falling in love with the person rather than the gender? Seems to me that religion comes up looking a bit frail and superficial by your definition.

I guess that I don't fall into any of the findings from the (ridiculously named) "National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality". My parents were not in any way, shape, or form what you listed from the "research". The fact that the group includes the term "Therapy of Homosexuality" in their name indicates that they are approaching their research from a slanted perspective....not very scientific. Regarding the bullet list of "contributing factors" to homosexuality, this is a witch-hunt.... The same bullet list could apply to murderers, rapists, thiefs, etc.

Unfortunately, there are extremes in any population. In the gay population, those extremes are among the most extreme to be found in our society. Sadly, the flaming homosexuals, perverts, and degenerates, get most of the attention from the hetero society and the label of homosexuality is applied to their example. Still, this is prejudice and prejudice should not be tolerated in society, let alone entities like popular religions.

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REALLY? What chemicals were these? Did they identify the "gay" genes? It sounds suspiciously like the "if it ain't any of the others, it must be this one" factor!

Or maybe your argument falls apart if this really means that some people simply have DIFFERENT chemistry, i.e., they're made that way. It's not a disease or a malformation.

And intolerance labels it as an unnatural "imbalance". I call it natural variation.

George, You are getting positively uppity!

I don't think I have ever seen you being so aggressive..... Kinda sexy george.

:)

Katherine

TG, I'm just trying to give an answer beyond, "God said don't do it."

For some, that's good enough. Jesus commended the faith of children when they were brought to him and admonished us to have the same.

Scientific? Like the "gay gene"? I don't think it's there. If it was, wouldn't it be considered a mutation? If not, why not? Is the idea that evolution is taking us in another direction where same sex relationships are better for the species?

I really don't think the homosexual issue is a biological one. I'm aware of the XYY or XXY or XYZ types of chromozone mixups that are out there, but again isn't that a mutation or "chemical imbalance"?

I think it's a moral issue and a choice based on whatever circumstances happens to come into a particular persons life.

Rabban, I keep asking this same question (in so many words) and I have yet to see you answer.

Think about it. Love is God. Being in love with someone is truly magical. Love is so much higher on the scale of what is important than whether a chromosome caused a non-descript chunk-0-flesh to turn into one type of genitalia or another.

And please don't reiterate that you think it is a moral issue, because morality has absolutely nothing to do with this. Like I said before, there are freaks in every sect of society, don't let the stereotypical dog-collared, chaps wearing, gay freak color your opinion of those of us who fall in love with someone that just happens to have the same genitals. I PREFER "intimate relations" with men, but I fell in love with someone of the same gender. Go figure eh? I simply care about love more than sex. Too bad your religion doesn't feel the same way.

God is also holy. It's a mistake to concentrate on one attribute of God while minimizing others.

True, God is love and that's what motivates all of His actions. You speak of an earthly love while God's love is a heavenly love. Also, God's given us the parameters in which we are to express sexual love and that is between a man and a woman.

If your love for your friend isn't sexual then what's the issue? If you're just loving her as an extremely close friend, then there's nothing wrong with that. It's great! It sounds like you've found someone whom you enjoy sending time and you're creating a very close bond. When you met the right guy, you'll be free to date him while maintaining your current relationship. Right?

My sister also prefers guys, but I think she was in a similar relationship as yours. I thought she was exploring a homosexual relationship, but she said she wasn't (though the other woman was gay). Apparently that relationship wasn't enough for the other woman. The other woman eventually asked my sister to move out so her new, lesbian friend could move in. My sister was really hurt by the "betrayal" as she puts it and knows the other, new girl is a player, but there's nothing to do about it. She still cares about her friend, but she's accepting her decision.

So it would seem that the sex is what makes the relationship homosexual, otherwise you're just close friends.

The Bible even talks about David and Jonathan loving one another and God is all for that sort of brotherly love.

It isn't depicted as a homosexual relationship. Those that say otherwise are reading something in between the lines which is something they wouldn't have to do. If other sexual relationships of leading characters were recorded accurately, the same would be true of theirs. It's not there, so there's no reason to assume it was homosexual. Otherwise you'd have to say that any close, same gendered relationship was homosexual and I don't think that's what you're saying either.

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Ok...im gonna have to call BS....if god doesnt condone homosexuality then how come so many preists are getting arrested for molesting little boys???? Did god tell them to do it??? Totally bogus....people think that they are talking to god thru priests at some level....so if the bible forbids homosexuality and some priests do it anyway, isnt there a major integrity issue here??

My answer same as always.....christianity was a BS story thousands of years ago and still is....

Cya in hell

B

Lol bolo

Rabban, clearly intimacy is part of my relationship with Caryn. There is most certainly a lot of intimacy. She is far more that being a good friend. Big difference between loving your friend and being in love. Again, I don't think sex is the defining factor in a gay relationship, where your heart is at is where the line is drawn.... Being IN LOVE with a same sex partner.

Last edited: Friday, April 09, 2004 at 5:54:56 PM

Bolo, your comparison doesn't wash. I guess the NFL, NBA and MLB are evil institutions since so many of their players are convicted of drug use and sexual assault. Gimme a break.

Thanks rabban....the NFL, NBA, and MLB are evil institutions in many ways other than drugs...completely different BS story...

Rab maybe u can help me out with this question...if the ultimate thing in christianity is to goto heaven, the place of eternal happiness, then why dont all christians kill themselves and go to heaven now??? Makes sense to me.....

Peace and long legs....er life

B

Last edited: Friday, April 09, 2004 at 7:45:53 PM

Well Rabban,

Yet another interesting and somewhat painful debate about religion eh? As usual Rabby, we will not be able to agree, but at least we both gave it a good try. You seem like a very good person and I appreciate your presence here in the forums. I wish I could make you see the light, as I'm sure you would for me.... But it doesn't look good for that to happen any time soon.

Ah well, until the next religious thread, or the next scrum game..... Take care.

:)

Katherine.

Hey, maybe is is time for me to start a thread about Pro-Choice / abortion? That would be a light topic..... (naught)

@TG, I dare you.

:)

Gotta throw this thought in:

Has anyone ever changed their personal position on a subject by participating in one of TankGirl's or Rabban's threads?

I'll admit I've made slight adjustments based on some really strong statements by some people here, but I don't think I've ever changed my mind on anything (weeelllll, I did lighten up on the censorship thing a little, I guess). It's not a bad thing. I love what people say on both sides! B) However, I think it's going to be pointless to expect that you can "turn" someone in these forums. The people who participate in these topics are not exactly "maliable putty" in their beliefs (to say the LEAST)!

It will always end in a stalemate. Still damn fun to participate in! ;)

Bomb...James Bomb

James, I will respectfully disagree.

The religious topics in a few of these threads introduced us to some intelligent and passionate people on both sides of the table. Sometimes we became a bit pushy in a spirited defense of our position, but we mostly observed a reasonable amount of courtesy throughout.

I have been on a religious quest for most of my adult life. That quest for the perfect religion has most certainly come to an end for me.

Of all things, of all the strange twists and turns that life can take.... I have to laugh when I say to you that the arguments on the side of religion have pushed me completely toward a life of enlightened atheism.

This is not an insult to religion or the faithful here who have so eloquently voiced their beliefs in this forum... Just the opposite, you gave me clear insight to your belief system and I found that I do not and will not be able to go in agreement.

I realize the impact of this revelation to my life does not really translate so well in this post, but the difference that I feel in my life is dramatic, and enlightened.

So in closing my dear James, you CAN expect to "turn" someone in these forums, it just might not be the turn you expected.

:-) Katherine

TG,

I'm all for your conversion, I just don't know if my legs could compete. ;)

Bolo,

I think you're more intelligent than you're letting on. :) Do you really think that the few priests involved with molesting BOYS are representative of Catholics and Christianity? Are you also making a moral judgment in saying that it's wrong to molest boys??? What about all the priests who serve in third world nations, helping people and going where you'd never go? Do you think that since a few commit sin it's an endorsement by Jesus? Do you think priests are the only people who molest boys? Maybe you're saying that Catholics are evil and Christian faiths w/o priests are good.

I think it would seem to be more reasonable to say that you are prejudiced against religious people and will use any "evidence" to support your view.

The mandate for Christians is to "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations". Our goal is the live for Jesus and evangelize while waiting for his return. If he out waits us, no problem. Heaven is the reward and rest for all believers. Besides, self-termination is a sin. ;)

@TankGirl:

I'll admit that a person's beliefs can be turned (one way or another), it just rarely seems to occur in forums. Not sure why, but it seems to make a big difference if you meet in real life. Well, I'll confess that just because I haven't seen it in the forums, it doesn't mean it hasn't happened.

Man, I'm tired. I'll get back to my cheerful self once they let us sleep a little over here!

- BombJames Bomb

TG, I have a question.

Why would someone representing their religious beliefs push you toward disbelief in God rather than rejecting a particular religion? I mean, there are so many religions out there that have different viewpoints, why would your disagreement cause God to vanish? Somehow I see you more as a Buddist seeking enlightenment rather than just rejecting God outright. Whazzup!

Hiya Rabban,

There is no god. But there must be a creator. How could we exist otherwise?.

Our creator might just be the sphincter of a large dog that just took a massive crap and our entire existence is in one small corner of an atom in that big whopper pile-o-poo.

Should I pray to the dogs butt since it is our immediate creator?,

Or to the Dog itself for eating the snacks that allowed us to be created?

Or to the manufacturer of the snack?

Or to the owner of the manufacturing plant?

Or to the parents of the owner of the manufacturing plant?

Or to the god that the parents of the owner of the manufacturing plant pray to?

Which god to I pray to?

In our world, which god is more relevant than the other gods? Will the real God please stand up? There are thousands to choose from. Maybe the Egyptians had it right when God was a flavor of the month... Frogs this month, cats the next, etc.

Maybe I should pray to the god of the woman that just killed her three children because she was told by her god that it was the right thing to do. This woman spoke with clarity and conviction about the voice of God telling her to save her childrens souls by removing them from this nasty-old world. Should I pray to her god?

No, God is inside of me. God is Love. God is life. God is embracing every moment. God is the sound of my children laughing. (not joking-->) God is the peak electical moment of orgasm when you are sure that you would die if that moment continued for too long. God is in our ability to reason. Beyond the God that lives inside each of us, none of us know which god is our creator.

Our praying blindly to a god is not far removed from primative man offering a sacrifice because the lightening must mean that god is angry.

There may be a god, but c'mon, humans selfishly believe that god created us as the center of existance. I can't go in agreement with that. Not now, not ever.

Uhhh, nice rant, but you didn't answer my question.

How about this question? Have you read any of the books considered to be holy such as the Bible or Koran?

Rabban...

Uhhh.... You were supposed to say I was funny too.... And I did answer your question. You asked "why would your disagreement cause God to vanish?". I answered that there is no god.

You also asked (you inquisitive funny little man) "Have I read any of the books considered to be holy.....?" I read most of the Bible a gazillion years ago, not that I remember much. In addition, I read Macworld Magazine every month, and I have read the 1600 page MacBible. I have a computer temple where I worship every day for 8 to 12 hours, and I have a porcelan Pew that I sit on and read the FashionBible.... Vogue.

:)

K8

Heh. Well, I have seen many examples of how a person trying to push their point of view will actually drive the person away! My little exploration with the Elders of the Mormon church is a prime example. (DISCLAIMER!!!! I'm not saying Mormons are bad! I'm not criticizing mormons! They just had a couple lousy Elders, and I didn't agree with the views of that church anyway. ;) )

The MacBible! Mmmmmmmm...We Mac-users may not know who started the world, or what happens after life, but at least we know how to lead a GOOD and STABLE life! :P

Love the dog anology. Thing must have been constipated for it to take 7 days! Seems we may have a new thread here: we know something/someone "created" the universe, but is the creator sentient and aware of what it has created? We won't be able to answer that until we finally prove if love is a thing of the soul or just a mixture of chemical reactions to promote reproduction. You guys already know my feelings on the matter. And once again, we are hit with questions that have no definite answer! Ah, sometimes one wonders if it would be better to know the answer yet not the question! (First one to guess the reference wins a cookie!)

- BombJames Bomb

TankGirl, can't we just kiss and make out..er...make up. XD

I think you're right about meeting in person, James. There's some much more conveyed in a one on one conversation than posting clever bits in a forum. I know in my case that once folks get within range of my supernatural Jesus powers they're overwhelmed by my charming personality and wonder why they asked "Why?". If not, I just quote Darth Vader .

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I read the C++ bible in college...does that count??

JB get back here....