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Anyone paying attention to this bullsh%t? Check this out:

A group of far-right Bush allies released an ugly and outrageous ad which claims that John Kerry faked his injuries, betrayed his troops, and "dishonored his country" in Vietnam. The ad features people who say "I served with John Kerry" (although they didn't) and who make numerous provably false accusations about Kerry's war record. It's one of the most vile tactics seen yet in Bush's ferociously negative campaign.

The "Swift Boat" ad is so far beyond the pale that even Senator John McCain, a Bush supporter, spoke out about it, calling it "dishonest and dishonorable." Yet despite Senator McCain's request that President Bush "specifically condemn" the ad, Bush refuses to say anything about it.

It's clear that the ad continues the tradition of Bush campaign dirty tricks. In a recent interview, Senator McCain noted that the ad "was the same kind of deal that was pulled on me" in 2000. McCain was referring to a vicious smear campaign -- which included race-baiting allegations that he had a black child our of wedlock -- run by close Bush allies in 2000. In fact, the same firm that ran some of the anti-McCain ads in 2000 produced the "Swift Boat" ad. And although the group claims to be independent of the Republican party, the group's funding mostly comes from a longtime Bush supporter who gave over $20,000 to his campaigns for Texas governor. Further, today it was announced that one of the subjects in the ad is a member of the Bush-Cheney campaign's veterans steering committee.

The "Swift Boat" campaign is a classical political hit job. But even before the ad went on the air, the Washington Post ran a piece discussing how President Bush is running the most negative presidential campaign in U.S. History. In an article titled "From Bush, Unprecedented Negativity," the Post quotes an expert who says that "there is more attack now on the Bush side against Kerry than you've historically had in the general-election period against either candidate."

Discussing the "Swift Boat" ad, Senator John McCain said, "I deplore this kind of politics." Nebraska Governor Mike Johanns (R) called the ad "trash" and even Pat Buchanan said "not a single charge is substantiated... I think the ad is wrong." But George Bush won't condemn it.

Jim Rassman, a Republican veteran who served under Kerry, recently wrote an opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal. He told the story of how Kerry saved his life. And he concluded with these words on the "Swift Boat" veterans: "[W]hen the noise and fog of their distortions and lies have cleared, a man who volunteered to serve his country, a man who showed up for duty when his country called, a man to whom the United States Navy awarded a Silver Star, a Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts, will stand tall and proud. Ultimately, the American people will judge these Swift Boat Veterans for Bush and their accusations. Americans are tired of smear campaigns against those who volunteered to wear the uniform.

Swift Boat Veterans for Bush should hang their heads in shame.

Sunday, August 22, 2004 at 9:18:28 AM

 

 

"The latest assessment was undertaken by the National Intelligence Council, a group of senior intelligence officials who provide long-term strategic thinking for the entire U.S. Intelligence community but report to the director of central intelligence, now acting CIA Director John McLaughlin. He and the leaders of the other intelligence agencies approved it.

The estimate contrasts with public comments of Bush and his senior aides who speak more optimistically about the prospects for a peaceful and free Iraq. "We're making progress on the ground," Bush said at his Texas ranch late last month."

 

Great piece OM. When does spin enter into the realm of lies? Seems like bush is crossing the line here.

 

"But the criticism from the panel's top Republicans had an extra sting coming less than seven weeks before the presidential election in which President Bush's handling of the war is a top issue.

"Our committee heard blindly optimistic people from the administration prior to the war and people outside the administration -- what I call the 'dancing in the street crowd,' that we just simply will be greeted with open arms," Lugar said. "The nonsense of all of that is apparent. The lack of planning is apparent."

 


finally, some honesty instead of partisan spin...

 

Thursday, September 16, 2004 at 11:24:27 PM

Ps...chief: if I'm a republican, what does that make bush? None of the things on my list made it to his...

 

Thursday, September 16, 2004 at 11:27:41 PM

And the Bush team is getting more targets to spread misinformation and disloyalty acquisitions about.

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Friday, September 17, 2004 at 3:40:46 PM

Now for some comic relief.....( I know there are a plethora of 'em, but here are some more GREAT INSIGHTS from ol' George W.):

"I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the future."

"The future will be better tomorrow."

"We're going to have the best educated American people in the world."

"I stand by all the misstatements that I've made."

"We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a part of NATO. We have a firm commitment to Europe. We are a part of Europe."

"Public speaking is very easy."

"A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls."

"We are ready for any unforeseen event that may or may not occur."

"For NASA, space is still a high priority."

"Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach our children."

"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it."

"It's time for the human race to enter the solar system."

Yowzers, maybe Kerry is too long-winded and doesn't use "the people's" lingo; but, sheeeeeitttttt......c'mon......who's foolin' who here?

Friday, September 17, 2004 at 4:02:49 PM
OM

Good ones J-

A few more-

"I want to thank my friend, Senator Bill Frist, for joining us today. You're doing a heck of a job. You cut your teeth here, right? That's where you started practicing? That's good. He married a Texas girl, I want you to know. Karyn is with us. A West Texas girl, just like me." George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., May 27, 2004

"This very week in 1989, there were protests in East Berlin and in Leipzig. By the end of that year, every communist dictatorship in Central America had collapsed." George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Nov. 6, 2003

"The ambassador and the general were briefing me on the the vast majority of Iraqis want to live in a peaceful, free world. And we will find these people and we will bring them to justice." George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Oct. 27, 2003

"There's an old saying in Tennessee I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee that says, fool me once, shame on shame on you. Fool me you can't get fooled again." George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002

"I promise you I will listen to what has been said here, even though I wasn't here." George W. Bush, speaking at the President's Economic Forum in Waco, Texas, Aug. 13, 2002

"The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur." George W. Bush, discussing the decline of the French economy with British Prime Minister Tony Blair

"I'm also not very analytical. You know I don't spend a lot of time thinking about myself, about why I do things." George W. Bush, aboard Air Force One, June 4, 2003

That last one explains a lot, huh?

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Friday, September 17, 2004 at 4:40:09 PM

Lol, nice OM!!

Friday, September 17, 2004 at 5:30:54 PM

Man, as funny as it is scary....that stuff will be alot funnier on nov. 3rd....i hope.

 

Friday, September 17, 2004 at 8:23:27 PM

Hardcore Bush supporters are amoral and cynical fascists. These evil slime know that Bush is scum, but his sociopathic mindset resonates with their own knarled(gnarled) souls.It is up to decent people throughout America to make a stand for decency and come together in November to vote this cabal of gangsters,out!

Saturday, September 18, 2004 at 1:31:31 PM

@weentank

Are you possibly really Kittie Kelly?

Funny - I was going to say this:

Hardcore Kerry supporters are amoral and cynical fascists. These evil slime know that Kerry is scum, but his sociopathic mindset resonates with their own knarled(gnarled) souls.It is up to decent people throughout America to make a stand for decency and come together in November to vote (to keep) this cabal of gangsters,out!

LOL - thanks for the chuckle.

@ ALL

"Thank you, CBS!!!!!!!!"

Sunday, September 19, 2004 at 2:47:23 AM

@ Fleabiscuit

The story you link to is over 60 days old.

WTF?? Are you on dial-up?

Sunday, September 19, 2004 at 2:51:01 AM

@ stinky

LOL - I hear you....I was just pulling your leg. I agree - if you're a Republican, than I would be the guy Jesse Helms calls a right wing zealot......

Seriously - I think you're more moderate than your posts make you appear.

Sunday, September 19, 2004 at 2:54:23 AM

"moderate" ?

Center draggers!

Sunday, September 19, 2004 at 7:24:54 PM

@ Chief
And 35 years since Kerry was in Vietnam and Bush was in an undisclosed location...

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Sunday, September 19, 2004 at 11:32:24 PM

Now that I've given it some more thought I'm thinking Chief is right pointing out the outdated material I linked to.

Can anyone help find other links of returning Iraq veterans who dutifully went and are now questioning their commander-in-chief's decision? There must be another one...

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Monday, September 20, 2004 at 12:02:16 AM
OM

@Flea- this might be a good place to start your search: VAIW There's bound to be some stories or links there.

Monday, September 20, 2004 at 12:20:46 AM

Saddam definitely had WMDs "Between 1985 and 1988, the nonprofit American Type Culture Collection made 11 shipments to Iraq that included a "witches' brew of pathogens," including anthrax, botulinum toxin and gangrene. All shipments were government-approved. "

How do we know? we gave them to him

Hypocracy anyone?

 

Monday, September 20, 2004 at 12:29:50 AM
OM

Republicans continue to sink to all kinds of incredible lows, even for them, in their fear campaign against the opposition. Check THIS out. I suppose Halstert knows what Al Qaeda wants, right? Gimme a break already with the fear crap!

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Monday, September 20, 2004 at 12:32:15 AM

This WMD or al qaeda link was BS all along...cynical bullshit.

this is why we went to war

And more sucinctly, from chomsky:

"In the desperate flailing to contrive justifications as one pretext after another collapsed, the obvious reason for the invasion was conspicuously evaded by the administration and commentators: to establish the first secure military bases in a client state right at the heart of the world's major energy resources, understood since World War II to be a "stupendous source of strategic power" and expected to become even more important in the future."

 

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Monday, September 20, 2004 at 12:35:21 AM

@ stinky

Can you cut and paste the content from that "why we went to war" link? It seems to be subscription only.

@ All

Also -guess what I got for my birthday?

CARJACKED. I'm fine (in case anyone wants to know). I have lived to vote conservatively another day.

I am going to get a copy of the report tomorrow...I'll upload it somewhere for a few hours. Gave me some great material for gun control, prison population, and all kinds of neat stuff.

Monday, September 20, 2004 at 3:26:21 AM
OM

@Chief- Yikes! Glad you're okay man. That's not a nice B'day present.

Looking forward to your "report"

Monday, September 20, 2004 at 12:16:55 PM
OM

Some more food for thought.

This is a piece written by novelist E.L. Doctorow. It first appeared in the September 9th issue of the Easthampton Star.

 

I fault this president for not knowing what death is. He does not suffer the death of our twenty one year olds who wanted to be what they could be.

On the eve of D-day in 1944 General Eisenhower prayed to God for the lives of the young soldiers he knew were going to die. He knew what death was. Even in a justifiable war, a war not of choice but of necessity, a war of survival, the cost was almost more than Eisenhower could bear.

But this president does not know what death is. He hasn't the mind for it. You see him joking with the press, peering under the table for the WMDs he can't seem to find, you see him at rallies strutting up to the stage in shirt sleeves to the roar of the carefully screened crowd, smiling and waving, triumphal, a he-man. He does not mourn. He doesn't understand why he should mourn. He is satisfied during the course of a speech written for him to look solemn for a moment and speak of the brave young Americans who made the ultimate sacrifice for their country. But you study him, you look into his eyes and know he dissembles an emotion which he does not feel in the depths of his being because he has no capacity for it. He does not feel a personal responsibility for the thousand dead young men and women who wanted be what they could be. They come to his desk not as youngsters with mothers and fathers or wives and children who will suffer to the end of their days a terribly torn fabric of familial relationships and the inconsolable remembrance of aborted life.... They come to his desk as a political liability which is why the press is not permitted to photograph the arrival of their coffins from Iraq. How then can he mourn? To mourn is to express regret and he regrets nothing. He does not regret that his reason for going to war was, as he knew, unsubstantiated by the facts. He does not regret that his bungled plan for the war's aftermath has made of his mission-accomplished a disaster. He does not regret that rather than controlling terrorism his war in Iraq has licensed it. So he never mourns for the dead and crippled youngsters who have fought this war of his choice. He wanted to go to war and he did. He had not the mind to perceive the costs of war, or to listen to those who knew those costs. He did not understand that you do not go to war when it is one of the options but when it is the only option; you go not because you want to but because you have to.

Yet this president knew it would be difficult for Americans not to cheer the overthrow of a foreign dictator. He knew that much. This president and his supporters would seem to have a mind for only one thing --- to take power, to remain in power, and to use that power for the sake of themselves and their friends. A war will do that as well as anything. You become a wartime leader. The country gets behind you. Dissent becomes inappropriate. And so he does not drop to his knees, he is not contrite, he does not sit in the church with the grieving parents and wives and children. He is the President who does not feel. He does not feel for the families of the dead, he does not feel for the thirty five million of us who live in poverty, he does not feel for the forty percent who cannot afford health insurance, he does not feel for the miners whose lungs are turning black or for the working people he has deprived of the chance to work overtime at time-and-a-half to pay their bills  --- it is amazing for how many people in this country this President does not feel. But he will dissemble feeling. He will say in all sincerity he is relieving the wealthiest one percent of the population of their tax burden for the sake of the rest of us, and that he is polluting the air we breathe for the sake of our economy, and that he is decreasing the safety regulations for coal mines to save the coal miners' jobs, and that he is depriving workers of their time-and-a- half benefits for overtime because this is actually a way to honor them by raising them into the professional class. And this litany of lies he will versify with reverences for God and the flag and democracy, when just what he and his party are doing to our democracy is choking the life out of it.

But there is one more terribly sad thing about all of this. I remember the millions of people here and around the world who marched against the war. It was extraordinary, that spontaneous aroused oversoul of alarm and protest that transcended national borders. Why did it happen? After all, this was not the only war anyone had ever seen coming. There are little wars all over the world most of the time. But the cry of protest was the appalled understanding of millions of people that America was ceding its role as the last best hope of mankind. It was their perception that the classic archetype of democracy was morphing into a rogue nation. The greatest democratic republic in history was turning its back on the future, using its extraordinary power and standing not to advance the ideal of a concordance of civilizations but to endorse the kind of tribal combat that originated with the Neanderthals, a people, now extinct, who could imagine ensuring their survival by no other means than pre-emptive war.

The president we get is the country we get. With each president the nation is conformed spiritually. He is the artificer of our malleable national soul. He proposes not only the laws but the kinds of lawlessness that govern our lives and invoke our responses. The people he appoints are cast in his image. The trouble they get into and get us into, is his characteristic trouble. Finally the media amplify his character into our moral weather report. He becomes the face of our sky, the conditions that prevail: How can we sustain ourselves as the United Sates of America given the stupid and ineffective warmaking, the constitutionally insensitive lawgiving, and the monarchal economics of this president? He cannot mourn but is a figure of such moral vacancy as to make us mourn for ourselves.

E.L. Doctorow

 

 

Monday, September 20, 2004 at 12:35:32 PM
JJ

Nice OPINION piece, OM.

Uh, does it have a fact or two in it? Let me get my magnifying glass.

@ Chief

Good to see you back. I see you got a bad birthday present. Sorry to hear it.

Forget issues in the current presidential race, home.

We need to discuss ideologies for a bit. Me and you. Specially this endangered American species: Liberals.

You game?

We can get the whole other side hurling mud-balls in a nano-second. The so-called tolerant lefties. Our poll-sensitive, shrinking-in-numbers Democrats. Quaint little grammarians. Spin masters. Fox news enthusiasts. Dan Rather replacement hopefuls...

Heh, heh ;)

Some fun now.

 

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Monday, September 20, 2004 at 3:06:31 PM

Giggle...rather discuss ideologies than policies? I don't blame you...assuming that you aren't landed gentry, bush policy probably doesn't sit well with you either...leaving you with...ideology!

Shrinking democrats are a sign of things to come...as the numbers shrink, look for prison populations to continue to rise, gated communities to spring up everywhere, sat scores to continue to decline, literacy rates to continue to decline, jobs to continue to ship out, preemptive wars to continue to be waged, deficits to continue to burgeon, the price of higher ed to continue to rise, health care for the rich, forest fires prevented by entirely denuding forests, energy crisises deverted by drilling in anwar and every place else, deregulation ala enron, no bid contracts for presidential buddies, industry friendly legislation, and the ideology of selfishness and entitlement to win the day entirely.

You'll have your guns, god in schools, wall marts and suburban sprawl...while your rockefeller republicans reap the economic rewards.

Congratulations.

 

Monday, September 20, 2004 at 7:56:25 PM

Chief...bad news about the car jacking...glad to hear you're ok...i hope you were driving a piece of shit. The link you are asking about was originally published on a subscription website...you can access it for free...along with all kinds of lefty stuff at http://www.truthout.com

Happy reading.

 

Monday, September 20, 2004 at 7:58:17 PM

OM...sorry buddy...opinions are like a$$hole$...

Actually, I liked it..."How can we sustain ourselves as the United Sates of America given the stupid and ineffective warmaking, the constitutionally insensitive lawgiving, and the monarchal economics of this president? He cannot mourn but is a figure of such moral vacancy as to make us mourn for ourselves."

Truth has a force of its own.

If you like bush, you like him despite his policies...as this forum has demonstrated. Not a lot of thinking coming from the right. Just wads of ideology. Even JJ is breaking down and slinging names now...lets have one of the two surviving members of the right in this forum attempt to justify policy...and bring a lunch...you'll need it.

 

Monday, September 20, 2004 at 8:05:24 PM
44

Yeah, but did you see him with that bullhorn?

Monday, September 20, 2004 at 8:35:35 PM
JJ

OK, Chief. Let's spin the Wheel of Misfortune here.

The categories are Poll Watchers, Impatient Poll Watchers, Tax-and-Spend Crowd, Walmart Walmarts Everywhere, Who's the Fascist Now, US Patriot Act, "They Are All Neo's", Very Short Memories, Reflecting Whose Values?

That's some of the Wheel anyway.

If you can see more, let me know.

OMG it's as big as a Ferris Wheel.

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Monday, September 20, 2004 at 9:13:59 PM
44

B __ S H
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A
M __ R __ N
A N __
A
L __ A R

"Can I buy a vowel Pat? Is there an 'O'?"

 

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Monday, September 20, 2004 at 10:19:29 PM
JJ

I'll serve first, Chef.

The category is "Walmart Walmarts Everywhere".

Let's complain about those big ugly stores. That sit in those little communities. That never had access to hard-to-get items at reasonable prices.

Those rabid business people need a tight grip and a lot of control, right, Chief? The government needs to set up more agencies, departments, compartments, and paperwork to make sure these evil-doers are kept in line.

The truth, we know, is that Congress first needed to legislate on unregulated trade in many areas of our lives so that hicks don't hurt themselves. Where would we be without the Massachusetts Democrats to chew for us? Fair trade.

Besides, Saks Fifth Ave is right around the corner. They have one, don't they? Like that city where the RNC was held...

And while we're at it, let's take away the electoral college. People who live in the sticks don't count in this country. We'll send the paid help to plant when the time comes. The way the hurricanes are blowing in Florida maybe we can send the Snowbirds to Idaho anyway.

Sure glad John Kerry thinks like us Republicans.

 

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Monday, September 20, 2004 at 10:22:04 PM

Right next to tax and spend should be "spend now, get your grand kids to pay for it"

Defending bush is an insurmountable task...is that why you've given up JJ? Quick perusal of the forum reveals 0 attempts to defend policy...just ideology....and now....diversion.

Worried that your precious ideology may be in peril boys? Where is the "populist" promise of the right? Record deficits and and preemptive, unjustified war...is this what you are so goddam proud of?

 

 

Monday, September 20, 2004 at 10:24:03 PM
JJ

Defend him from whom?

Kerry keeps dropping rocks through the bottom of his boat.

It might get worse, too.

 

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Monday, September 20, 2004 at 10:29:22 PM

Utter ideological bullshit JJ...love deregulation, embrace enron...

Intellectual elitism vs. "rednecks"? Weapons in a culture war...

"government off our backs" ideological subterfuge masking no bid contracts to halliburton.

Worried that your precious ideology may be in peril boys? Where is the "populist" promise of the right? Record deficits and and preemptive, unjustified war...is this what you are so goddam proud of?

Ideological bullshit masking failed policy...f*ching weak JJ.

 

Monday, September 20, 2004 at 10:32:06 PM
JJ

All in fun, Stinker.

How is it?

Good for the gander, good for the goose?

 

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Monday, September 20, 2004 at 10:35:56 PM
JJ

And while Stink is on economics, Chief.

Who was president from early 90's until whenever. It wasn't Bill Clinton. It was Bill Gates and Wall Street.

Clinton just rode the economic wave and took his poll temperature every so often. The deficit was gone by the end of his terms and he never legislated or had a thing to do with it.

Did anyone in their government get the Bull Market under control? Why, of course not. That would have been counter to the poll mandate.

Pass the olives for my drink, dear. And I'll add a little Heinz sauce too.

Oh, I'm a bad boy...

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Monday, September 20, 2004 at 10:42:00 PM
JJ

OK, Chief.

I'm calling it off and packing up the Wheel.

I'm getting no joy.

I can't even say KERRY IS A MORON and feel good in the way they do.

Wanna discuss presidential policies again, Stink?

 

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Monday, September 20, 2004 at 11:14:07 PM

No...its lunch time...and I'm starved.

'sides, kerry aint a moron.

Peance freeance out.

Ps "Defend him from whom?" defend what he says in light of what he does....policy. Your gving us all this right wing, pioneer, government off our backs stuff from goldwater...but no defense based on policy. Where's the beef?

 

Monday, September 20, 2004 at 11:23:43 PM
JJ

You got me laughing so hard...

A little chain yanking is kinda fun.

Payback.

 

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Monday, September 20, 2004 at 11:27:54 PM

Man JJ, are you drunk? I get it now! Posting under the influence...i do it all the time.

Anywho: I just read this lefty piece, and thought you's might like it

 

How is it that little truthout.org, with its limited resources and small staff, got it right time and again while ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNBC, CNN and Fox - with their massive financial resources and their huge pool of reporters - got it so totally and continuously wrong? The answer comes in two parts.

The first part is the degree to which these nationally broadcast news stations have become compromised by the corporations that own them. The ownership of the media is key to understanding the process. Take the example of General Electric, owners of NBC, MSNBC and CNBC. This company is one of the largest defense contractors in America; they get paid every time we go to war, and yet we somehow believe they will tell us the truth of war, even though it affects their profit margin. Such thinking is folly.

Take the example of AOL/TimeWarner, owner of CNN. This company lives and dies by the 'outsourcing' of American technological jobs overseas, where labor is cheaper. Do you think they will tell a straight story about the economy with so much on the line? Such thinking is folly, and never mind the fact that AOL/TimeWarner's largest investor is a Saudi. So much for the truth about who really supports Osama bin Laden and international terrorism. So much for the truth about what really happened on September 11, and why.

 

From truthout.com

Ps. Wat you mean "your for kerry now"...cause I said he aint a moron? I'm luke warm for kerry...i'm only for kerry cause there is no other sane option. The day I vote for a bonified moron....i didn't vote for clinton part 2, and he was a genius...but I would never vote for a moron, I don't care what party he runs with. I think kerry is a luke warm, politics as usual stiff. I can only assume, however, that he will restore openess and the practice of following democratic procedures back to the office of the president.

Honestly...you haven't even attempted to defend his policies...you think they are indefensible too, don't ya?

Brock brock chicken!!!

Peance freeance out

 

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Tuesday, September 21, 2004 at 12:15:25 AM

The brittish are coming the birttish are coming.erstrike that they are leaving

No biggie! I know where can get more young fellers just itchin to die. but youll have to wait till after the election!

Once we get those pansy brits out of the way this should be a cakewalk bring em on!!!

I love the smell of napalm in the morning! How bout you republicans? no? What the hell is wrong with you?

Get this goddam government off my back! Its cuttin into my profit margin!

Goddam spin doctors!

 

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Tuesday, September 21, 2004 at 12:30:30 AM
JJ

So you caught the payback, eh?

And just where did that quote come from? Truthout.org adverting themselves?

Bwok! Bwok!

Don't make me get out the Wheel of Misfortune!

Openness and politics. Hmmmm...that just doesn't go together. Which president? Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton (don't even try him), Bush 2? Oh, I know. Abe Lincoln!

Pick a policy, turkey lips.

PS: "A Democrat is like a UFO. You can't make heads or tails of it and it is never seen in the same place twice."

PPS: Thanks, Chief, for being such a patient and willing listener...whereever you are.

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Tuesday, September 21, 2004 at 12:33:35 AM

Hey, I found some good reasons to vote for GW! Check it out:

 

They also kidded about Enrons hefty political contributions - particularly to President George W. Bushs campaign - and how that could translate into more opportunity for profit in California.
"Id love to see Ken Lay be secretary of energy," one trader said, referring to the disgraced former Enron CEO whose ties to the Bush administration have drawn criticism from Democrats.
In one transcript, a trader asks about "all the money you guys stole from those poor grandmothers of California."
To which the Enron trader responds: "Yeah, Grandma Millie, man. But shes the one who couldnt figure out how to" expletive "vote on the butterfly ballot."
"Yeah, now she wants her" expletive "money back for all the power youve charged right up - jammed right up her" expletive "for" expletive "$250 a megawatt hour," the first trader says.

 

Right on! Screw you grandma millie! Hahahahahaha and everyone else in California, Washington, and Oregon. Get this goddam government off my backright JJ?

http://www.showmenews.com/2004/Jun/20040603Busi009.asp
Wanna know how much Enron had to do with our energy policy?

 

WASHINGTON In a closely watched test of the president's right to operate behind closed doors, the Bush administration urged the Supreme Court on Tuesday to preserve the freedom of the executive branch to solicit private outside advice.

 

good luck

 

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Tuesday, September 21, 2004 at 12:52:26 AM

Put the bottle down JJ...

Payback? Aimed at whom? The ranting bush-haters that come in for a shout and then leave, I suppose. That's fair. Take a shot at them. I was confused because I thought you dumbed down your posts because reason and logic failed you...but I guess that hasn't happened...yet.

Policies? I been hacking them to pieces for days now...bring em on.

Ps. The truthout piece was just to show you that the left (or in this case, indy news outlets) cry bias news media also. Except in this case, the left offer a critique which makes more sense then the stupid ass "jounalists are all liberals" crap sandwich.

 

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Tuesday, September 21, 2004 at 12:53:36 AM
JJ

You're losing me. What did you have for lunch?

I remember that quote. It was a phone transcript of a private conversation.

Your pint, er, point?

Keep trying.

Tuesday, September 21, 2004 at 1:00:10 AM

Try to follow me Jiggles J...one of your biggest beefs with democrats is the claim that "big government" suppresses progress through regulation. I am pointing out why business need to be regulated....even morons will agree that enron serves as a case in point.

Morons may even catch the subtle hypocrasy at work in the fact that the government has never grown so large as it has under GW. (not that any growth has occured in regulatory agencies).

Bottoms up

 

Tuesday, September 21, 2004 at 1:07:18 AM

Pick a policy...hmmmm...oh, I got one...preemptive war on iraq. Go for it.

 

Tuesday, September 21, 2004 at 1:10:01 AM

After that...how bout...hmmm...enron setting national energy policy...or...the cynically named "clear skies" initiative? Or maybe the concepts of tax cuts during a recession and at the same time of a war? Before you blah blah blah about economic stimulus...why don't you see what Paul O'Neil, then secretary of tresury and Greenspan had to say about that idea...can you work sompin up on our backing out of Kyoto? What about stem cell research? Hmmm? Try that for a start. But lets hear about iraq first.

 

Tuesday, September 21, 2004 at 1:13:47 AM
JJ

One overstatement at a time, Mr. Happy Hour.

Nobody signed the Kyoto Accord. Nope. (Gee, let's get the Americans to go first. Go, Americans. They didn't, the fiends.)

Enron is a dead horse. You can keep beating it, but I shan't touch it.

BTW, most journalists are liberal.

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Tuesday, September 21, 2004 at 1:21:22 AM

Is regulation/deregulation a dead horse also?

And most media outlets let the employees run amok?

 

Tuesday, September 21, 2004 at 1:30:06 AM

Kyoto...let me rephrase. Policy regarding backing away from the agreement

" On March 4, 2001, Environmental Protection Agency administrator Christie Whitman and top environmental officials from the seven other largest industrialized countries met in Trieste, Italy, and issued a declaration in which they said, in part: "We commit ourselves to strive to reach agreement on outstanding political issues and to ensure in a cost-effective manner the environmental integrity of the Kyoto Protocol. A successful outcome at [the next formal international negotiating session, scheduled for Bonn, Germany, in July] is necessary to allow early entry into force of the Kyoto Protocol. For most countries this means no later than 2002, with timely ratification processes."

That view was reiterated recently by the British environment minister, Michael Meacher, who told the BBC that Kyoto was "the only game in town." The European Union, he said, should proceed to ratify the protocol in 2002.

Ratification of the Kyoto Protocol has been slowed down primarily by U.S. Efforts to negotiate loopholes in the agreement.

http://www.nrdc.org/globalWarming/akyotoqa.asp

 

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Tuesday, September 21, 2004 at 1:33:11 AM

Ready to try the policy, or do prefer to keep spinning them off?

 

Tuesday, September 21, 2004 at 1:34:22 AM

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