I've been reading a bunch of threads on this board, especially in the League forum and learned a lot about TT and the best players around.

I've come to realize that my thread about starting a TT Annual Award called the Brainies has a few flaws in it, as some of you pointed out so astutely (JamesBomb, OM, etc.). I see now what you mean about keeping all the categories more fun and lighthearted, as opposed to voting for things like best players in Scrum, BM, etc. Etc. I realize now what a waste of time that would be because it would merely turn into a popularity contest. Everyone who's played TT long enough knows who the best players are...period. I've been humbled by most of them by now and still can't sit down comfortably thanks to the reaming they've given me. :)

Thus, I think it makes perfect sense to establish a TT Hall of Fame for enducting those legendary tanks. Once inducted, they are there for life.

All the fine nuances on what exactly gets a tank into the Hall can be worked out, so that's not an issue. I truly believe a Hall of Famer is a player that the majority (not EVERY) of players would agree belongs in thise elite club (tip of the cap to SteAlth for first mentioning the ES (Elite Scrummers) Club in the League forum).

As for determining who the Best players are TODAY, well, it cannot be left up to voting or polls. That status can only be determined on the battlefield....period! That is why I think we need to create some form of regular King/Queen of the Hill type of series where the best scrummers and BMers get to challenge the reigning King of Queen of the Hill. We can come up with a clever title for the champ like MasterMind status or just simply King or Queen of the Hill.

I understand the logistics of such a thing are tough. I've read the long, heated debates over one on one challenges in the past and think I understand all of the potential downsides to doing this unfairly. An official panel of long-time players must come up with the details for these championships. Do you have powerups or not? Do you use bots? Which Mod? Which server? What days/times? Who decides on the challengers? Those issues can all be worked out rather quickly. BTW, I think it can be run like professional boxing where challengers are ranked and given a shot at the title accordingly, perhaps having to beat other challengers in a playoff format.

I agree that voting for the best players today in scrum or battlemode is ridiculous and useless. We all have opinions and you know what they say about opinions, right? I say...let's prove it on the battlefield! As for those players who have shown a consistent history of excellence, they should be honored with induction into the TT Hall of Fame. It doesn't mean that it would put an end to the constant debates over who is the greatest scrummer or battlemoder of all-time! You will always have people saying Ben is the best ever in BM and others arguing for Hoosane...or people vouching for Jangles in scrum and just as many for HankstaTanksta (or the new flava today, Bolo!) It would be very similar to what goes on in other hall of fames: People swear Babe Ruth is the greatest baseball player ever, others say Willie Mays or Barry Bonds...etc. Etc.

What no one can debate is the fact that they belong in the Hall.

1 on 1 would only work with BM.

You can't do it with scrum. 1 on 1 scrum is a non-starter.

Thanks for the info. I did not know that. Besides, when you think about it, one of the skills of scrum is how you deal with opponents (not just one, but several). It seems to me that the best players (such as you, Ho) tend to thrive most when there are more competitors. They also seem to lift their game as the caliber of competition increases.

How about this idea then: I know you have awesome 3 on 3 leagues/championships, but how about a championship for solo scrummers?

All you would have to do is let the best scrummers go at it and the top three scorer move on to the next round until the finals.

Can you imagine these matches?

Jangles

Tally Ho

TankGirl

Bolo

Sizicus

Mystery Man

HankstaTanksta

Jinx

Blind Cide

Azzezel

It would be a bloodfest!! But fun to watch too!

Thow me in there if its scrum... Tank-diving time!

Also, do you mean this like the old (I know you havent heard of this) KOTL (king of the list) league?

I'm not that familiar with that KOTL. Do you recall what thread it's in? I'd like to read about it. I recall something similar to that with Xtreme Girl, Killer 77 and Ben? Was it a list of match results they had one on one with others? It seemed like a rather unofficial and personal thing to do to me. I didn't see anything wrong with keeping such a log and even sharing the results of those matches as long as the facts were true.

As for my idea (perhaps already suggested and pondered), I just thought it would be cool to be able to come to PTT and look at the MasterMinds webpage which would have the most up to date information on who is the current Kings/Queens of Scrum and BM. It would also have a challenger queue (much like a print queue) that continuously changes as challengers get their fair shot (no pun intended) at the title.

If a challenger loses, then they will have to go to the end of the line and wait their turn for another shot at the title...and so on.

But players must take screen shots of the final results and maybe there should be a referee UFO at every battle (if possible).

I know TT uses different scoring for solo and team matches.

I think having such a championship system in place would help the Hall of Fame committee make decisions on who gets into the Hall too.

Benchmarks could be established for what would get a player into the Hall. Much like certains statistics help Major League baseball players get into their Hall of Fame, certain stats could be used to help establish a player's worthiness to make the TT Hall. It wouldn't be the only criteria because of all the old timers. They would still have a shot of getting in by special vote in from the old timer's committee, just like Baseball does.

What are some of the special stats in TT anyway? I heard about a 40+ league for BM but don't know what it means? Does it mean 40 kills in a match? I've also seen some scrum club that requires a scrummer to win a scrum match by at least 10 goals and not over bots or demo's.

Stuff like that would be cool.

Since there is luck invloved with scrumming (freebies, goal spawn) and a code of honor (no camping, no diving, check your fire) I really hesitate to properly define THE best scrummers out there.

I do like a hall of fame, mainly for respected and talented players out there, especially from scrumming.

I hear what you're saying. There is an element of luck involved with Scrumming, which is why I changed my mind about having a poll which would elect the best players via voting, which is totally subjective to personal opinions and biases. However, the same could be said about BM, don't you think? Isn't there some luck involved in BM too? Maybe not nearly as much as scrum, but some.

In any event, luck or not, I think having a king/queen of the hill for all types of games on TT would be a fun thing to have.

You can have current Solo champs as well as teams. Obviously, including teams would be best served by those currently running excellent leagues right now. The winners of thier leagues would be posted on the MasterMinds or Kings/Queens of the Hill webpage.

It would turn their seasons into full-time playoff seasons, crowning champions on a faster basis too.

Sounds interesting.

I agree that luck can be a factor in all modes of this game. However, there is a way to have one on one competitions and eliminate much of the luck factor. The simple way is to have it be a best of 5, or best of 7 type scenario. The better player should prevail due to the quantity of games played. A one-game competition would not be a good enough indicator to determine a winner, because we all know that even great players can be beaten on occasion by lesser players.

I DO like the idea of a Hall of Fame, because one does not have to be the best of the best to get in. The well respected players could be nominated, and it wouldn't cause ill feelings or be a vote of favoritism (well, I suppose that could happen) If the criteria were set as to what determines a players worthiness to be inducted, and it works, I'm all for it.

OM

Here is the KOTL Thread: Link

Thanks, Racer. That was a fun read. It was like professional wrestling, reading about Ben cleaning up the field until he runs into King Kong Bundy (aka Killer77) and LC50. I'd never read that before and I've been to GG forums before. Great stuff!

Yes, the KOTL concept is very similar to what I had in mind, only not limited to BTM (light tanks only?)!

We need to include ALL of the different games that comprises TT, perhaps excluding Solo since it's too easy to cheat on there.

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I might as well throw in here that one on one battlemode determines very little about the skill of the players involved. Any given day, I'll get my butt handed to me on a platter by Tankor, then I could blank him out the next time we meet. One on one is a fun approximation of skill, but it's like an NCAA basketball upset (ala UAB over Kentucky-what the heck happened there?), anything can happen at any given time. I have a pretty good idea of the players I'm better than, and I have a pretty clear idea of the player's I'm not better than. Still, one of the obscures could wipe me out one day, when normally I'd be upwards of them by fifteen or twenty.

In my opinion, a better test is to put anywhere from five to ten players in an individual server and let them duke it out. This is where you really get a better idea of who can dominate and who can't. Three games or somethin', and add up the scores of each player from each game. One on one can get dicey at best.

Excellent point, Sizicus. Considering the source, no one could argue with you. It makes a lot of sense really, but there is a major downside to the big shootout concept presented. Pro wrestling (WWF) used to do a similar thing with a big event they called The Battle Royale where a dozen or so wrestlers all got in the ring at the same time and duked it out. The last one standing was crowned champion. The downside to that concept was that many of the wrestlers established aliances and double and triple teamed the strongest competitors. The same thing would happen with a Battlemode Royale...all of Hoosane's friends and supporters would be gunning for Ben/Sizicus and vice versus...even if subconsciously. It's human nature...even if you're talking about cartoonish tanks with brains.

Still, it would be good fun.

Last edited: Monday, March 22, 2004 at 10:58:30 PM

Bump!

It's related to the other threads at the top...

Ben... I wanna go against you, are you still king? If so, IM IN Battlemode, im in eastern time,

YOUR NEXT!

I'd love to see Ben vs Hoosane...once and for all. Best 2 out of 3...too