Hey folks,

Someone was passing on all [important] private ST emails to UF, that is how they knew about the merge, about most other stuff.. Luckily I once sent an email arround about roosters server, and rooster was nice enough to send back a quote.. This was the approval I needed to make sure that we had an leek...

I have snapped the one that has passed on private ST emails, I assume he has been doing that since June 13 2006. On that date he joined UF, and has betrayed ST :[.. I can say I am ashamed of these actions and even more because I didn't notice a thing. I am also suprised that UF supported this can I say spy action and I ll take it as a sign of fear from the growing ST.

When I noticed that UF was getting ST private email, thank you rooster, I started digging up who could have done it. I had my list of suspicious people, and jay was on it because he refused to co-operate and give me his IP.. Luckily Delta once gathered it and so I could compare.. I did not fine Jay as being the spy by IP, but I found him because I knew that no one makes no mistakes.. So I knew if I d keep following everything id once end up having the bad guy nailed..

Jay nailed himself using his Skype account under the name of Nightmare UF..
Check the profile name (jay_trauma), and the name he is using (Nightmare)..
I was supprised that I had a name Nightmare in my list, I knew I never added the guy!
I hereby thank Radius DAS for asking me to go online on Skype :)

I also understand the reason why Nightmare was always acting hostile against me!
He should be ashamed of himself!

Sct
PS: I just want you all to know!

Wow nightmare is jay yippie :) sry umm, you should be ashamed of your self night (jay) but hey cool tJay is still around. XD :)

Saw this coming a mile off lol

1. I quit ST months ago, I told Delta and Joren that I couldnt be in ST due to personal reasons (which was true)...
2. I wasn't spying on anyone, I sent ONE email to UF beacuse this is what it said:

I wasnt going to let some good friends of mine be talked about like that...And since all of the admins are UF then it seemed logical to send it to UF...
3. Never sent or told anything else about ST to UF
4. Gave myself away on purpose, due to not caring if people knew
5. Can't wait to meet you all at the UK convention :x
6. To all people who knew my as Jay great games we've had, and still having, most of you knew who I was :P
7. Joren and I have talked for a bit on msn now, both said it was fun. So whats the problem? I enjoyed being someone else, he enjoyed being a detective...I say GG to it all lol

Yes but y didnt you tell us you were jay.

Because it was hard enough trying to get out of ST.... Delta and Joren would not let me go, I really had to put my foot down with them...I needed to move on, and having a secret identity sounded fun...

I only said it was fun hunting you down
I have many ways to have busted you, first I could have done it by provider, second I could have done it because of IP (that was send by Delta), and thirdly by your Skype name..

@ Nightmare:
That personal issue about you was a charge, if you post that email that has trapped you, I can tell everyone the reason you couldn't be in ST. I can't wait to see you at the UK convention!
You rejoined ST as well! That was setteled on MSN! I would have never thought that you would promote a boycot.. Because that is what you are posting here!

Is my signature, that is true..

We could go on arguing here..
You should still be ashamed of yourself!

PS: You only told us that you would be AWOL for a short period because of the fact that you had to go to court! You wanted to finish up your stuff and then have nothing to do anymore, if you would have said that you wanted out to go to another clan you would have been out.. Just as you are now.. But with a little more respect, just a little, I kept all your secrets that you told to me.. I refused to tell anyone why you were AWOL..
You r making it really hard right now!

Sct

Last edited: Monday, July 24, 2006 at 6:38:57 AM

Sorry to ST but I have to tip my hat to you Nightmare you actually gic=ve Spy the meaning, most armies just put a slot saying SPY ????? Because it looks cool but finally an army uses their spy for what they are put on the army for spying.

Like I said, I gave myself away, ive been pretty open about it recently. So basically you just found the clues I left for you lol.

If I do see you, I'll just smile, shake your hand, and play some good games :)

I never ever said I rejoined ST...

I was saying the reason I sent the email, it was totally out of order to say those things...

And you did tell people, because I had many people come up to me asking me questions, like "is my personal life ok, is that the reason you left" from non ST...

If your going to threaten me with it, I might as well tell it myself......thanks..

Well basically on Easter day at 10:45pm I was arrested on suspiction of rape infront of my parents and the girl I was seeing (xxrhianxx, check my skin thread, thats her. Also totally messed my about and now she's with someone else yet claiming to love me...but never shows it..). The person who accused me was my Best friend/Ex fiance (Lolly), and also I was still being intimate with her, even though she had a boyfriend... She felt very guitly, and told her boyfriend which then made her go to the police to lie about it being rape. Now I was on holiday at the time at a Christian conferance in Butlins...

This has torn my life apart and destroyed my mother... I was 16 when this happened.. And I couldnt do anything.. I couldnt see ANY of my friends as they were all Lolly's friends, so since I was on bail, and all my friends were mentioned in her statement so by law I couldnt see them.

But at last, after everything, its finally over and confirmed a couple of days ago. I am a free man! Thanks for all your prayers and support, to those who knew. I still have lost all my friends, am a soical outcast and I still can't go back to my church due to her still going there...

Last edited: Monday, July 24, 2006 at 7:07:22 AM

All I can say is ROFL! Gj Jay...Sure made me laugh.

Yes your leaving was never official. You and I didn't have time to finish our talk. You never posted on PTT , you never emailed me or Scythe or Roger saying I quit. I cared for you and your rape charges. We discussed this in detail, I actually thought I was helping you. I had empathy for you and really worried about the outcome of your life. Your reasons for wanting to quit ST was, if I go to jail, I won't be able to play TT. I was telling you stay with Us we will be your support group, we are your friends. I still can't believe this.

Your actions really show me what kind of man you are.

The morale here : TT is a game that is super fun, but even in a Fun environment, the bad, the less than honorable will show their face and try to ruin it for all!

I will not stop trying to help my fellow man (TTer), even though I have met and walked beside you JAY!

Last edited: Monday, July 24, 2006 at 8:05:12 AM

*sigh*... Even though I'm in ST, I'm gonna actually doubt this whole thing. Ti The Boss has a good point, but now I can't even tell if he was spying or not from how this is going. I never knew really what was happening until this got put up. Jay/Night isn't really as bad as this is making him out to be. He told a story about what happened, and you dips above don't believe him. X/ I will half believe him until some of

Come out and confirm that this actually happened. I would love to believe what happened, and yet with all that's going on, no one fuly can. :o

8o ,
--==Niko-ST-==--

Niko all is real. I'm one of those that Jay spoke to about his justice charges. I have emails and all.

Anyways Niko, lets see what Nightmare will do. He has all the information and he is a free man !

Quite the TT drama going on here. All I have to add is that I'm very glad Nightmare is Jay. I thought I was losing to a noob.

Well, there's always me XD

@nightmare

I knew you were too damn good X/

Tough story man

I kept telling everyone that nightmare was tjay.i noticed by when I fired at him and kept hitting him and hitting him he was still able to score and also his playing style too.every time I said hi jay how are you he denied it.then he had someone else come into the server with his name but I still knew it was him

Last edited: Monday, July 24, 2006 at 9:54:41 AM

Do you have any idea how sick you and Delta are Scythe?

You 2 will make a great husband and wife.

As for Jay leaving get a life man and quit your crying, whinning, sucking your thumb and sitting in the corner. You Scythe just got Karma'd dude, all the crap you pulled on everyone else in secret you are reaping the rewards for now, sow and reap or Karma. Which ever you wanna call it, your getting a huge dose of it, and besides that dude Jay has way to much class to be around either you or delta. And as for the rest of you pukes that may be pissed because Jay did not tell you who or what he was doing, it was none of your damn bidness. Ya know Gray Kitty left for SA and he is a great Bm'er did you see UF whine like little babies. Nooooooooooooooo it's called class, get some JOREN YOUR RUNNING SHORT ON IT!!

And Joren shall we get into the e-mail you sent Dan Mcdonald you friggin looser!!!

God you make me wanna puke, one day when you loose your mom like Roo did I realy hope some obnoxious little weasel ass idiot comes along and does what you did you puss!!

WooT

Last edited: Monday, July 24, 2006 at 10:00:28 AM

You don't even know me personnally Woot. You are talking about me without ever having spoken to me, emailed me, chatted with me. You must base your appraisal of me thru the games we have had together and the argument we had. Really that is a solid and extensive base to comment on me.

We are not whinning, nor complaining, we are publicly stating our personnal experience with Jay.

He left, without really telling us. That is not OK in my book.But still it's not that bad, this is still only a game.

He has made a pledge to Niko, myself and all ST's. Will he honor this pledge? Now this is important to me and everyone I believe. Promises are made and must become REALITY. This is what bugs me!

I have to remind myself Jay is a teenager, this must explain it all !

Well im sure everyone else, who knows me, can also share their experience they've had with me. Lets see all the comments from non bias sources shall we?

How many times do I have to say this. I LEFT ST, I told you guys. You didn't want to accept it! Move on...

And boy do you back up that statement.....sheesh...

You are preasurizing a 17 year old to cough up $100 to someone hes never met before....I told you, when I get the money and permission, I will give it.....

Just to remind you....

THIS teenager worked for a theme park at the age of 11 for three years, appeared in many films, TV shows, owns a film company, doesnt brake down when life gets tough, won't resort to childish name calling and insulting over a game, won't stoop down to your level, and still thinks highly of you all and I will not look down at you for this...You are still my brothers, and I respect you all

Last edited: Monday, July 24, 2006 at 10:49:55 AM

Only one comment : ST lose a great player & UF win a betrayer...
Im sad to see jamie leaving...

I was just wondering when you left who did you tell?how come when I asked you if you were spidey or jay you said no and then you used another computer or had someone else come in using the tjay name when you were using nightmare name in a server.i think the message could of been posted right here in ptt that you didn't want to be in ST.i don't care that you left ST and I'm not mad. But you said you made it clear that you didn't want to be in st and when I asked you if you were jay you denied it.thats not clear to me?I always liked playing with you in tt and I still will have fun playing you

Last edited: Monday, July 24, 2006 at 11:42:19 AM

You know this is all just to funny, I thought I had seen it all take place in these forums but to read all this is just amazing.
The only thing I have read that disturbs me as an adult is the fact that some 17 year old kid is being asked to send 100.00 to some ppl he has met playing a game.
What on earth could you guys need a 17 year old to send you money for.?
Then to bring up his personal problems like you were going to tell on him is really sad. This tells me you can only keep a secret as long as someone does what you want and if they make an unrelated mistake you are going to tell there secret. Whats up with that? A secret of personal nature about real life issues told to you as a friend in trust is so much differant then secrets told about a game online. I don't get that part of this. He is 17 and had a very adult issue to deal with and you threaten to tell, Why?

I'm not sure how this makes Jay a betrayer, as @uré explained it. UF did gain a valuable asset, true.

Scythe, the title made it seem like you were going to either break down on Jay or break down in tears. Just suck up the fact that Jay left ST, joined UF, gave ST special information to UF and move on.

I don't judge anyone how/where I met them in a game, or how they act, but that gave me some info on jay that tells me, "Damn, now there's a guy I would kill to meet." Jay is a fun scrum partner/opponent, and this business should not ruin that reputation which he has gained.

Last edited: Monday, July 24, 2006 at 12:03:24 PM

I am saddened by the turn of events.

I hope this answers some of your questions GQ.

Jay is the one that told all about his personnal issues in the post above. Never would I or Scythe tell this to anyone. To prove my point : T-34 is a close friend of mine and a friend of Jay at the time and I never spoke to T-34 about this because Jay trusted me with his secret. Jay told Scythe first, Scythe did not discuss this with me, till I told him that Jay had told me of it. It is his life and he is the one talking about it. He told me more, but it is not my place to reveal this.

Also for the money Computer fund, Jay pledged of his own free will no one , I repeat no one coerced him into doing anything. When I started this for Niko, I told all teenagers to verify this with their parents first and foremost. I have emails if you want them to back up my words. Since I took care of the pledges, I'm following up on it with all who pledged.

I have emailed all of ST stating that Jay can do as he wishes and that I give the burden of decision to Niko for everything that concerns Jay's pledge to him. Niko is a great kid. I have no ill feelings towards no one involved in this, everyone is allowed to make mistakes in life.

Cya all in game !

What films you been in? I think your innocent about that issue

Last edited: Monday, July 24, 2006 at 12:27:24 PM

That is a threat..... So like I said, instead of someone else telling my life story, I was forced to give it myself.... Do you think I wanted to do that? Share my life with the whole world? No.

Look, understand that filming is very random. One month I can get $900 for 6 days work, others $100. Now all my company money goes into the company account. (Which I can't touch). Until I get paid for my next project, I can't do anything. I will keep my word and pay up, not beacause of your pier pressuring, and demanding attitude. But because Niko is a great guy, and has stood up for me in this, and plus I said I would.

Delta I pray you find God, and soon... What a difference it would make..

Thank you !

@ blitzer of course that UF gain a valuable asset !! I'm not mad : I told we lose a great player !! :(

@ Blitzer:

I did..

@ wOOt:
Go sleep some more and make sure your back is doing fine, because this aint to good for it!
The difference is that with Gray Kitty no trust in someone was harmed, GK never gave out UF information or anything else! Nightmare however did and I want everyone to know, I don't mind what their opinions are!

@ Nightmare:
I won't shake hands, but I ll have a blast at the games..
You never told us officially that you were leaving, and as long as you r receiving ST emails you can be count in ST.. You agreed to receive the ST emails using the same medium as saying you left.

@ All:
I did trust Jay, and that was a mistake, maybe I believe people to easily.. Maybe Blitzer could be just a person like him and would have done the same.. You can not tell this in advance, I was not suprised when I noticed it, not even angry.. I was feeling quite sad to have lost a friend I would have shared everything with..

Jay, I never threatened you..

Sct

This wasn't any business of yours, scythe, to be posting this. Email works well and other private ways, too.

I knew about this since he started using the name and I kept my mouth shut because I knew he did it for a reason - a reason which is none of my business and I have no right ratting him out. It's his decision, no matter how wrong or right it is.

Scythe in our talks I didn't want to mention what I knew. I thought when you said 'only delta and I know his alias' you knew, but then you starting going on a completely wrong track so I decided to wait it out.

Just being neutral

Well well!
The soap opera continues.........! (As the turret turns)
The straight story is that Jay forwarded that email to me
Yes me
The guy that did nothing to deserve a boycott call by anyone
As a matter of fact I was investigating Scythemans complaint in a fair and compassionate manner
Same respect I give EVERYONE here but when I got that email I got pissed off and stopped trying to determine
which admin and what circumstances were involved
I even admit a mistake in reposting something he wrote during my call for who was who and what happened
mb!!!!

BUT...
This in not a ST vs UF matter
nor is it neccessary to slander Jay
or worry if he sent other ST emails to anyone
HE DID NOT !!!
Jay sent that email because he thought what Scy was doing was wrong and Scytheman has decided to make Jay pay for it
Scythe is a child and cant take being called down even when he is in the wrong
I refuse to argue with a 15 y/o

IMHO--------------------
1. IF someone quits an army ------TAKE THEM OFF YOUR EMAIL LIST
2. IF someone calls for a boycott of my server when I personally did nothing to them that is WRONG
3. Everyone should chill out

Ok, I don't see what the big deal here is. I mean seriously, if Jay wanted to leave ST and go to UF, then he certainly had the freewill to do so. He said he told Scythe and Delta that he quit, which was confirmed by those two, so it should've been established that he quit. After he had quit, it was his choice to join UF, which he did. No one has a right to be mad at this, in fact try congratulating him on it.

Then, after that, it was not his fault he recieved e-mails from ST after he had quit . That was not his fault, and he only shared the one with UF, because it not only involved them personally, but was completely crap (IMO, one person's "misfortune" should not result in a whole army boycotting a server, because that looks like a dictatorship). That e-mail he shared with UF was one that should never have been sent, and had every right to be seen by UF.

And Jay already said he'd pay Niko what he promised him, as soon as he can. So no problems here.

Again, I ask what the big deal is. Jay has done the right actions so far, and seems to be an honorable person. Now, if some ST's will quit beating down on him, this could all go smoothly again.

@Nightmare: I've known you're Jay for some time, and still enjoying those games we play (though you've improved a bit). ;)