Triumph of the redistributionist left

Ah^ dats bedder!

Now, get em rabban! Get em boy! Lay into him! The thirty years of mind-numbing, corporate powered shilling from the right is you muse, in the place of your reason. Sic em boy! That socialist is making a case for taxation and talking all "good of the group"! Why, the very idea! Its sacrilege! Its even un-holy. Good of the group my ass! What's mine is mine. I ain't a-sharing with nobody neither! Its a level field, and we all have the same shot...to the victor go the spoils! Keep government off my back!

 

I personally don't have a solution to the triumph of the left-ist article. I wish we could fix it before the baby boomers turn 60, but that's already taking place.

@rabban,
remember my ah, ***, some of our early chats, in particular the one "we" prayed for?

I have a hard time swallowing this rabbs:
"But your response does bear out something that we simply disagree upon. I don't think its the government's job to take care of the poor and needy. That doesn't mean I don't think its a worthy endeavor, I just think it should be handled by private organizations, the church, local communities and individuals. That's why I like the way we used to handle such issues when we were a younger nation.."

I got a bill, right before this christmas past, for 1 year's medical expense for this one person aforementioned above. It totaled 225,000 US dollars. Say I worked a job at 60, 000 a year and paid for Family Health Insurance on a company plan with a 10 percent deductable or 20-30 percent hospitalization... That means I'd have to contribute 22,500@10 percent, and over my yearly salary to cover the hospitalizations, let alone experimental medicine or other medical costs that a standard family plan wouldn't cover )private sector(, not to mention we'd be at their whim for what they wanted to cover and what they didn't feel they should cover (ie: experimental meds) or their lovely "pre-existing" clauses.

I have worked and paid my taxes since age 16. I'm glad my taxes can support these "worthy endeavors", especially in this example above.

Don't get me started on the abuse of this system .....and there many. Sadly, way too many, and the money isn't going to those that really need it . That, I can testify to.

For example:
I was in Mexico City in 1981. I spent 3 months down there for a Spanish credit. What I came home with, I can only share in the essence, that no man on this planet should have to live like that like what I saw. And I'm sure that situation doesn't even compare to the state of the union in African nations and some other 3rd world countries I can only absorb thru AP and National Geographic. No, I'm not that "worldly", cannot aford it.
Glad we live in a wealthy enough Nation, though very flawed, can help the lesser fortunate.

Then you write :
By the government taking over, its removed our personal feelings of responsibility toward those people and I think we're less inclined to help the needy since we think its the government's job. Sure, we'll rush in to help during disaster's, but for the most part, we're not involved. I think if we had more of a brother's keeper mentality, I think we'd all be better off.

Government taking over = less public involvment....but not because it's now the governers job to oversee it all, but because that is human nature. Those who really, truely care, will always care, where those who care more about the rims on their tires, their personal agenda, the narcissitic 80 percent out there? No one will ever make them turn and even look at the less fortunate, let alone contribute to their maintenance.

No, I fear if it were privatized we'd all be in for a very big shock. Ever see the movie Logan's Run? Soilent Green? (lol)

Remember the days of wide spread Institutionalized "home care".???? That was our government's response to the FDR solutions. Do you not think it was humanity that brought the ADA acts in the 80's, and made our system MORE human after 50 yrs of abuse of the system?. But, alas, I can only shagrin and agree on some of the ponts above, as I recall my father's stories about 7th generation welfare families. 7 generations of children who never grew up and got jobs.

Starting to wonder if a tent in death valley or an igloo in Alaska will be better suited for our family when we go belly up. As long as it's near a McDonald's to charge the cell phone and lappy, and close to a Wi/Fi for Internet...could move out of the cave then.

For fear of growing long winded....

Doc

Lol...ever hear about the homeless man in San Fransico who was thrown out of the Public Library for "smelling" and having an "offensive smell to his person". He was awarded 100,000 dollars in a civil suit. Guess he wasn't homeless anymore....for a while, there wasn't much left to his kitty after he paid the lawyers and taxes.

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@stink - you're being an ass. I'm not going to argue against your perception of my position. So, you want the wealth of the rich to be spread around until you're rich, then you want to keep it all? Figures. _{I'm sure this isn't the case, but I just wanted to say it.}

@Dr Saw - I feel for your situation, but is seems your example is a comparison between welfare and health care, between a Federal program and a private industry. I agree that insurance companies are pretty much set up just to screw us all, since they want their payments without any hassle, but when its time for them to pay up, its all about the red tape. So are you promoting the idea of government health care? But still, I'd say at $60K/yr, you're paying a good bit in taxes. Wouldn't it be nice if you could keep more of that yourself and distribute it as you saw fit rather than some bureaucrat?
When I speak of private organizations, I suppose the best example I can think of is the American Red Cross (though there are many others). They do such a good job, that the Federals call them in when needed. But I know that I'm speaking of an ideal, where we all took responsibility for our own actions as well as the actions of those around us. And if the abuses you mentioned were able to be addressed and weeded out of the system, I'd feel a lot better about the whole thing. Some people need help, but I don't think it should be a lifestyle and I think there are a lot of factors involved that make it a lifestyle for some. If we were trying to address those root causes more, I think we could see more progress for all.

@slug - no problem with security, infrastructure and stuff government's can do that private citizens/organizations can't. I just want to get rid of waste, fraud and abuse while everyone pays a fair share.

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Rabby: my straw man looks more like you then yours does me...you are still reacting by means of echo...find the source of the sound. You wanted to say that, and you don't even know why...i suspect you have heard that somewhere...over and over again. Find the source of the sound...

Good points Doc. Disolve government from the responsibility of caring for the frail, and you will see a level of savagery in this country you will not like at all.

And the government knows this...and that's why welfare reform is so slow and ineffective...their approach won't work.

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