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The Muslims have a sense of the sacred that is long gone in the West, and they defend it.
I think the Jyllands-Posten guys are provocating jerks, absolute jerks.
Muslim countries are invaded and occupied, their cities are bombed and destroyed, their families killed, etc. And now a bunch of Danish idiots make fun of the holy core that binds this civilization together... This is a dangerously stupid game.
Freedom of expression? Or freedom to intently provoke millions?
@Brain
Very well put. Hmmm
There might be dumber reasons to die for..huh?
here's one of them... car chase ends badly
***warning: graphic video clip captured by news helicopter!
This is yet another example of absolute stupidity in the media. Just to put it into context for you paisano, the islamic ban on depicting human or animal figures is over a thousand years old. By publishing these cartoons, they have personally insulted every member of the religion, and worse shown how evil the West is.
It is also a excellent example of the anti-islamic feelings that are being create in the West.
But Turkey's Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul said media freedoms cannot be limitless and that hostility against Muslims was replacing anti-Semitism in the West.
It generalized a whole group of people and this anger and deep insult will not go away anytime soon.
One depicted the prophet wearing a turban shaped as a bomb with a burning fuse. The Danish paper said it had asked cartoonists to draw the pictures because the media were practicing self-censorship when it came to Muslim issues.
If this is what they let out what did they censor?
This is the type of thing that makes young men and women believe that they have a sacred duty to give their lives to stop the evil in the West.
If you would have been following the latest happenings you would understood that this is absolutely not about any cartoons, which were actually released a half year ago. Danish imam's have done a "great" job and travelled in all directions rising the fury againts Danish and Europeans.
This is the type of thing that makes young men and women believe that they have a sacred duty to give their lives to stop the evil in the West.
That message is in Qur'an, in thier holy book. Muslims believe that when they die on missions againts infidels(everything else expect Islam) they get to heaven.
Have you guys seen the pictures? From all other religions has been made much harder jokes in last decades and none resulted to reactions like this before. It's about Muslims intolerance.
You don't have to let go of one rope before grabbing the other. But you'll have to let go of one if you want to swing forward.
@V
Thanks for the feedback. Much appreciated.
By the way, how does this differ from the death sentence for Salman Rushdie
imposed by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini in 1988 after the release of his Satanic Verse's book due to its irreverent depiction of the prophet Muhammad?
Extreme Censorship or relegious conviction?
Being a Christian, I was utterly disappointed with the behavior of some of my most over-zealous Christian brothers and sisters during the controversies they caused for the movies "Last Temptation of Christ" and "The Passion of the Christ". I am all for freedom of speech and expression, so I didn't support their protests against these works of art. The same with the upcoming "Davinci Code" which I don't believe at all. Still, I think Ron Howard has the right to make such a movie.
I think the whole story is ridiculous and built upon only grams of truth that countless experts have ripped apart.
What about the Maplethorpe art exhibit from years ago? His "art" included very controversial subject matters (he had a cross with Jesus submerged in a jar of urine). The core of the protests was the funding of the exhibit which involved government grants for the arts. I think it makes a difference how it was sponsored (with private or public funding).
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Yes, some muslims have a reason to be pissed. Even worst than pissed. We give them almost daily reasons...but...
"the islamic ban on depicting human or animal figures is over a thousand years old"
True also...but...
I think this is something more than just built up resentment...after all, with all the legitimate reasons to be angry, why this issue? In the back of mind is the old rushdie thing, and there's also that dutch film maker who was killed last year...
This is also about religious extremism. It is also about zealotry, intolerance and incompatibility of zealots of any stripe in Western society. Lets not give extremist behaviors a pass just because they've got other legitmate reasons to be angry.
This is something much worse than that. Leftists: have the pragmatism to condemn this, instead of making allowances for it. There is an element of radical islam that is adversive to western society, not because of what we have done to them, but because of what we believe. Trying to provide justification by way of historical context legitimizes intolerance and violence.
People who go monkey-shit batty over a cartoon that mocks their religion, and people who put out fatwahs on authors or kill directors because they feel that their religion has been offended...these are some dangerous, intolerant SOBs. Intolerant religious zealots are inimical to democracy. So yeah, don't forget the historical context of muslim anger, but also: don't ascribe that motivation to this demonstration of zealotry.
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If anyone watched News Hour on PBS, there was a very excellent discussion between two american academics on this issue...i don't wanna go into it right now, just FYI. The feller of arab descent made some excellent points about context and double standards in europe visa vis the question of freedom of speech and religion (think france, school kids and funny hats). Did you know that the same newspaper that originally published the satirical cartoons just recently refused to publish cartoons satirizing our man Jesus? It seems they didn't want to risk pissing off their christian readership. Ooops. The feller of jewish descent made some excellent points about politicians in syria and lebanon deliberately using this issue to get people pissed off and to turn the focus off of themselves and onto something else....also made some good points about what muslims need to "give up" when they seek to live in liberal european nations....ie give up their religious indignation for starters.
If anyone watched fox news...well, you are just that much more stupid for having done so.
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^^Did Stink just say, "they hate us for our freedom"?
Here's one a man fall down a open manhole and died.
Cessna's rule!
Stink: Your name speaks for your agenda.
Paisano. Good point about Pope and SNL. Could you imagine if Catholics/ Christians responded the way the muslims do? What about the picture of the crucifix set in a glass of urine? Or the art gallery in NY where pictures of Jesus had crap flung all over it? To me the muslim cartoon is very petty.
OK Stink: gimme five paragraphs. %)
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Hmm, could have sworn that for a minute I saw pragmatism surrendered to the lefties...
Anywho, a lefty pragmatist might think that gain and jealousy are the reasons for murder.
Those in power certainly realize that they are and have been known to lead public sentiment towards goals that will ensure their power remains.
It doesn't hurt to have an ignorant populace. One idea is to shuffle money away from educating girls and more toward sectarian schools of thought and the military.
(Hmm, did I read someplace that girls are now outnumbering boys in college in the US? Certainly wouldn't be hard to predict education loan cuts while offering bigger cash bonuses for military recruitment.
Aaaaaah. Out! Out, bad thoughts. LOL)
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But Turkey's Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul said media freedoms cannot be limitless and that hostility against Muslims was replacing anti-Semitism in the West.
I think this guy underestimates "the west's" penchant for prejudice.
See the twelve Muhammad cartoons published by Jyllands-Posten at Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy
Fake edit: Bigger versions of the pictures
http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2006/02/02/41051.aspx
Let's throw some links.
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/747
Pictures for the ones who don't like reading
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004448.htm
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004441.htm
A nice collection of the cartoon conflicts into a map
http://face-of-muhammed.blogspot.com/
You don't have to let go of one rope before grabbing the other. But you'll have to let go of one if you want to swing forward.
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Iran invites cartoons on Holocaust
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/02/07/iran.cartoon.ap/index.html
lol <rolleyes>
You don't have to let go of one rope before grabbing the other. But you'll have to let go of one if you want to swing forward.
I heard about that story, and it does seem pretty stupid. Apparently they don't care for democracy.
@^, <rolleyes> is right! Can't ya take a joke, people? Yeesh!
They dont care for us, and our polices. Keep in mind these riots are caused by a few hundred thousand out of about 30 million Muslims who currently practice their faith. Remember everyone though Timothy McVay was a Muslim terrorist, until we found out otherwise
"Danish paper refused "offensive" Jesus cartoons
Reuters - 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
COPENHAGEN - The Danish newspaper that first published caricatures of the Prophet Mohammad infuriating Muslims worldwide previously turned down cartoons of Jesus as too offensive, a cartoonist said on Wednesday. Twelve cartoons of the Prophet published last September by Jyllands-Posten newspaper have outraged Muslims, provoking violent protests in the Middle East, Africa and Asia. "
http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/religion
You just knew there had to more to this...jack-asses! All "freedom of speech" and all that. F ing hypocrites.
^ The editor turned down the cartoons because he felt they weren't provacative or funny. Read James Kilner's article on Reuter's. The cartoons were "bad". Not provacative. Nuf said? %)
You couldnt wait to blab something about that article could you Stink fingers. Get those fingers outta yer.... Oh, nevermind. :P
"bad" ? Did you see those anti-islamic cartoons? Tell me those were clever...they were purile, simple, dumb even. You read my post above condemning the riots? No?
Speaking of cartoons...you are really becoming a caricature...
there...that's kinda clever...
But these just suck:
"They characterized our religion as violent? KILL THEM!"
Kinda ironic, eh?
Last edited: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 at 8:31:11 PM
^^^ Stink are you talking to me or the editor of the newspaper which turned the cartoons down and called them bad. Did you read it?
Ima talking to botha youse...
What we have learned so far is that Danes need to hire better cartoon drawers.
The moderate Danish Muslims are starting to get it. Bravo!
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/758
You don't have to let go of one rope before grabbing the other. But you'll have to let go of one if you want to swing forward.
Good for the moderates!
Meanwhile, the zealots are going bully goose loony:
"Cartoon Protesters Direct Anger at U.S.
AP - 55 minutes ago
QALAT, Afghanistan - Police killed four people Wednesday as Afghans enraged over drawings of the Prophet Muhammad marched on a U.S. Military base in a volatile southern province, directing their anger not against Europe but America. The U.S. Base was targeted because the United States "is the leader of Europe and the leading infidel in the world," said Sher Mohammed, a 40-year-old farmer who suffered a gunshot wound while taking part in the demonstration in the city of Qalat. "They are all the enemy of Islam. They are occupiers in our country and must be driven out," Mohammed said. "
Thats a yahoo.com news item
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There are only a few valid and heroic reasons to lay your life on the line for (protecting your family, country, etc.), so I highly doubt the following reason was worth dying for.
Muslin cartoon-clash turns deadly
Then again, that whole region seems to have millions of folk who are chomping at the bit to kick the bucket for just about any reason at all. Hey, don't get me wrong, I respect being a spiritual person and holding strong convictions when it comes to your religion (no matter what it is), but to be willing to die over a comic strip is kind of insane if you ask me. I wasn't offended when Sinead O'Conner tore the photo of the Pope years ago on SNL. Don't even mind all the jokes about the papal....calling his enclosed vehicle the Pope Mobile, etc. Etc.
What say you?
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