The truth somehow rears its ugly head again: Bush's WMD claim belied report

And of course, Bush blamed faulty intelligence...when he actually cherry-picked intelligence to suit his purpose...again.

At what point does this rubber stamp, republican Congress do its job and look into the issue of whether Bush Co maybe, possibly, just might have...led us to war under false pretenses? Is it time to investigate yet, or are we still waiting for a semen stain on an intern's dress?

Who was so dumb to vote for bush?

God Bless GW!

I voted for him along with the majority of Americans (please... No debate on this point)

A democratic administration (Kerry - remember him?) would have been disastrous in these trying times.

Support YOUR President!

What a day!

OUR PRESIDENT IS A RETARD

Date: " would have been disastrous in these trying times." vs "is definitely disastrous"

The first statement is conditional, an unrealized possibility, the second statement is a proven fact.

Support my president? I support those that represent my interests and the interests of my country, follow the rule of law, respect the principles of democracy, and uphold the constitution.

This clown has met none of my criteria. As to whether or not a majority of americans actually voted for him, this is blatantly false in the case of the 2000 election when a majority of americans voted for Gore, who lost the elections on the basis of electoral votes. In that election, as in 2004, there were numerous irregularities that cast enough doubt on the outcome to warrant skepticism about whether or not a majority of americans ever voted for your tyrant in chief.

All of this aside, the presidency is not a monarchy. Support of the people for the president is not our democratic obligation. In a democracy, it works the other way around.

Also @ Dateman:
1. What would it take for you to begin to question the motives/actions of your president?

2. Is this bar adjusted per political affiliation of the president?

3. Is there a point which even a toady like yourself begins to experience a creeping, miniscule doubt?

3a. Or is your support of your president tantamount to a religious belief...an act of faith?

If your answer is: not possible; yes; no and yes...somewhere there is an ayatollah, mullha or king who needs your support. On behalf of all democratically inclined people of the world, I apologize for the mix-up, and regret to inform you are in the wrong country. Please report to the nearest monarchy or theocracy at once.

I think it will become just common sense in time for all Americans (some may take longer than others), to realize that Bush has contributed greatly to creating these "trying" times. Yes, it's been said before, it is well worth saying again - The actions that Bush has taken at every turn in these times have created more enemies in the end than we had previously. There are more terrorists in the world today than EVER before due to his actions. They will not go away or be killed off. The more troops we send after them, the more pissed the bystanders will become, thus perpetuating this cycle. The man has had NO forsight in this respect and has utterly and totally dismissed anyone who warned or suggested that this may happen. NO VISION. This man has NO VISION. Period. THIS MAN HAS NO VISION. THIS IS VERY CLEAR. THIS IS VERY CLEAR.

Anyone who is hedging on that belief should grab something hot or cold and WAKE UP!

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Do you people spend your spring break ranting about Bush? :( Pathetic. I got my own gripes about the guy, but jeez we have at least 20 threads on him already.

Do you spend your spring break ranting about people who rant about bush? :( pathetic.

For the record, I aint on spring break.

Scream and shout all that you want. The majority here in America will continue to make the correct choices and take care of you.

What a day!

....." correct choices"? What a way to put it >> lol.

Just wanna say this is why I dun ever vote :P, as south park put it, were choosing between a Douche and a turd sandwich =P

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Don't look now, but you are outside of your precious majority:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=ajUTds.Al9aY&refer=us
Bush's California Approval Is Lowest Since Nixon, Poll Says

http://www.heraldnet.com/stories/06/04/08/100wir_a3poll001.cfm
Bush's poll numbers bode ill for Republicans

I think the hard-core ideologues like you are going to be the one getting taken care of...

Ok, Here we go again. I was supprised that people voted for him the first time because people were ignorant with the fact that he is a total idiot. But the second time? That just proves that half the people in America are IDIOTS. I still cant belive that it happend again. That so many people couldnt grasp the fact that he is an idiot and how many mistakes he has made. I still cant belive it. Its crazy! ANYBODY is better than him! Hes like the next HITLER. ANYBODY could do a better job than him. I dont care about all this crap, HES AN IDIOT. People just cant grasp this. I cant believe, me being so young, is going to have to deal with all his crap that hes has made. Its going to be many years before we get out of this hole we are in because of him! It just shows peolple cant learn from there mistakes.

Excuse my anger.

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Majority? The last numbers I saw showed the majority do not think bush is doing a good job. Only 36% ranked him as effective. (And the pres was elected by a majority of electoral votes, not popular votes... Why do we keep that lame system?)

You can credit divisive politics and "litmus test" voters with the current admin.

Those polls dont matter. What matters is on election day! The mistake has already been made.

And now what? I hear were headed for IRAN?

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Wow, all these people with Bush Derangement Syndrome. Gripe all you want, the man won 2 elections. So shut up and vote. Sheesh.

He actually didn't win the first one. HE should never have been president. But I won't go there.

I voted for bush, I believe in him :)

"I believe it takes greater courage to believe in one who is trying to do good for this nation, than a million others that are trying to bring him (and us) down just to look good B)

Last edited: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 at 6:18:44 PM

Don't like bush. At least he isn't as bad as kerry.Heard kerry wanted every middle school and high school students to wear uniforms. I look silly in a uniform. My self esteem would be lowered. My self esteem is already low. I hate typing with one hand

@ Cadc: Really, I want what's best for this country. One of the many misconceptions of conservatives is that we are unpatriotic. I like America, I want what's best for America. That's why Bush has to go ;). Maybe he is trying to do good, but it certainly isn't working.

^ I respect u'r opinion :)

And thus the national anthem plays. Plz take off your hats...

Bush is somebody that bases his decisions on faith. Knowledge doesn’t mean much to him. He bases his decisions on his gut feeling, not knowledge. Im sorry that you guys don’t get it. He doesn’t even give a crap about the fact.

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Last I checked, there's been no attack since '01, the economy is as strong as ever, and anyone who wants to work hard and not expect a free government handout, is doin' pretty well for themself. My hats off.......

GDP up considerably, last check on unemployment, 4%, lowest in several decades, stalled economy roaring since tax cuts. He spends too much? Yes. WMD? Ummm EVERY nation on earth knows Sadaam had and used them. When the US announces their wars, it's not too hard to hide/move WMD. The four days prior to the invasion, Iraq's largest transport plane made 24 flights a day to Syria - that plane only carries 50 tons at a shot.

For the record: Here's a partial list of what didn't make it out of Iraq before the OIF invasion: 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium, 1,700 gallons of chemical-weapon agents, chemical warheads containing the nerve agent cyclosarin, radioactive materials in powdered form designed for dispersal over population centers, artillery projectiles loaded with binary chemical agents, etc.

Senator Joseph Lieberman, had this to say about our mission in Iraq: "I strongly supported the war in Iraq. I was privileged to be the Democratic cosponsor, with the Senator from Virginia, of the authorizing resolution, which received overwhelming bipartisan support. As I follow the debates about prewar intelligence, I have no regrets about having sponsored and supported that resolution because of all the other reasons we had in our national security interest to remove Saddam Hussein from power -- a brutal, murdering dictator, an aggressive invader of his neighbors, a supporter of terrorism, a hater of the United States of America. He was, for us, a ticking time bomb that, if we did not remove him, I am convinced would have blown up, metaphorically speaking, in America's face.... The questions raised about prewar intelligence are not irrelevant, they are not unimportant, but they are nowhere near as important and relevant as how we successfully complete our mission in Iraq and protect the 150,000 men and women in uniform who are fighting for us there."

It's easy to toss names and the blame game, and to make rash statements like, "all terrorists were nice people before we came and took out a maniacal killer - now suddenly they all hate us." Do you EVER read the news? Remember the twin towers the FIRST time? Arab terrorsists. The USS Cole? Arab terrorists? Kili Lauro? (sp?) Arab Terrorists Our embassies in Africa? Arab Terrorists. Israili Athletes murdered at the Olympics? Arab Terrorists. The list is not a short one - I'm just scratching the surface. Get soome facts before you write, and do something yourself before you blanket criticize.

Jacob: sources please. Dubious statements abound in that post. Especially with regard to that laundry list of WMD material you state they have found. Sounds like Faux News ignorance to me. Or something Cheney would say. As for the rest of your "rosey" scenario...

Typing something doesn't make it true. By the way, joe lieberman isn't exactly the poster boy for the democrats. In fact, he's sort of reviled around that camp lately. The jackass may even have to run as an independent because a real democrat may win the democratic primary in his state.
http://www.townhall.com/blogs/capitolreport/TimChapman/story/2006/04/12/193509.html

GDP is up, but the income gap is also at an all time high. Didn't mention that on Fox eh? We're still generating money, but its reaching fewer and fewer hands. It's called wealth consolidation. Its not good for working and middle class americans. In fact the US has not experienced this kind of income disparity since the beginning of the 20th century.
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/US/01/18/wage.gap/

Unemployment is low, but those figures don't take into account the thousands upon thousands of discouraged out of work who have given up trying to find a job above McDonalds grade. Why do you think that 60% of americans dissaprove of Bush's handling of the ecomomy?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ucru/20060412/cm_ucru/whatrecovery;_ylt=A86.I1iIeT1EG4IB6Qr9wxIF;_ylu=X3oDMTBjMHVqMTQ4BHNlYwN5bnN1YmNhdA--

He spends too much? Well, yes. More than any president in history, while simultaneously passing massive tax cuts aimed primarily at the wealthy. You forgot to mention the record deficit in your rosey assessment. Folks aint happy about any of this.
http://www.townhall.com/blogs/c-log/Dan%20Mitchell/story/2006/04/10/193221.html

You also forgot to mention that the number one terrorist is free and at large, while a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 is now in civil war. We've lost over 2400 soldiers their and hundreds of billions of dollars...for a war that was a useless distraction
http://www.nytimes.com/glogin?URI=http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/10/world/middleeast/10military.html&OQ=_rQ3D1&OP=77ae8cb2Q2F!gU3!kjFBQ5CjjYo!o99@!9Q7B!f9!gjQ5C-k!Q7Dykk-UUeBY!f9Q7Dy-yYeQ5CrQ22VYQ7D-

Stalled economy roaring? Really? We're talking about the US economy, right? Actually, our economic growth is the slowest in years
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=a0AxaQUU9.h8&refer=us

It's time to turn off the Faux News there, champ. You sound like brit hume.

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By the way, you toadies have answered the question in the lead post. Not even semen stains on a dress will get in between you and your blind worship of this gnarled half-wit of a president.

I like Bush because my mom and dad like Bush. We still have the Bush/Cheney 2004 bumper sticker on our car and that lawn thingy in our front yard.

I like 44 coz he likes my wifes bush. %)

Some things never change.

Let's note that Stinker's ploy is to put pap on the current political picture.

You political readers here need to be aware that you're being inoculated against any real criticism of the Bush administration by Stinker's propaganda.

Never gets the questions right.

In his defense, he's just being led down the garden path by others higher up the propaganda food chain.

Let me suggest that you look more critically at the criticism. It's easy to tell that you're not thinking critically because you chant the group-think lines so faithfully.

For example, the NSA "wiretapping" thing. It was about tracking network connections. No one's verbal conversations were listened to. That would have taken a warrant from the FISA court. What eavesdropping was ever done was done with a FISA warrant.

The press and Feingold would have you believe that a third party was heavy breathing on your phone line while true-blue Americans talked to their grandmothers overseas. NOTHING was further from the truth.

The fact is, modern communications don't fit with the current FISA legislation. Therefore, the current legislation needed to be updated so that defense against bad guys (simple word) can be made while freedom of speech is still protected.

That means, of course, that the screaming about "wiretapping" is being done for purely political reasons. Once you realize that, you might get to the point of making a more intelligent criticism of what was really going on.

And don't let it bother you that Nancy Pelosi and others in Congress had been told about the network tracking well before hand. NO, do let it bother you.

Ponder this nugget also:

The point of the above nugget is that the current news is recycling its own inaccuracies. And this I got from a Left-sider.

That can't be good, can it?

Think first, belch later. AP reports, huh.

Last edited: Thursday, April 13, 2006 at 7:31:27 AM

Condescension from a hack who could never withstand even three exchanges with me.

You are a boring, intellectually, devoid hack JJ. Keep moving. We've finished with you. By the way...your post above was....gasp...once again, apropos of nothing. Another disembodied non-sequitor with nearly enough stylistic obfuscation to conceal the fact that no content exists. Well, no content independent of the party-line.

How does that post relate to any other here?

And then he goes into some sniggling points that may or not bear serious scrutiny about a subject that no one here was even discussing. low grade obfuscation: declare the subject of the argment we are having to be a trifle, suggest another point of contention, one of your own chosing, and then construct an argument against it! A study in bufoonery, gussied up via the chicago manual of style. It's really quite typical of this simpleton. His "offering" looks entirely prefabricated, like it was cut and pasted from a young republican news letter, or more likely, his private diary.

So how does sir hack handle the questions? Well, in his "criticism" he hints at constitutional infringements posed by the NSA wiretapping but then hastily constructs a denfense of this action. Quite a criticism there, Mr. Gannon . A study in how one fondles that which he claims to scold...which is why former prostitutes make horrible newsmen. But wait! I maligned the real Jeff Gannon in that comparison...in his defense, at least Jeff got paid to service the administration. JJ here fondles them out of instinct, for free. He calls this fondling "criticism."

Then he moves on to highlight one instance of a msm talking head getting something wrong, a point he hopes will somehow invalidate the endless stream of criticism the corrupt, incompetent turds in DC have brought upon themselves. If one talking head mispoke, the entire body of criticism must all be utter nonsense.

Its like writing 121 all over again.

Hey! Look! Up on the page! It's a hack! It's a bore! It's a shameless shill for the right! It's...JJ again? Yawn.

Last edited: Friday, April 14, 2006 at 2:39:52 AM

Regarding the statement that "bush is doing a good job because we haven't been attacked since 911 and the economy is booming".

Those are misconceptions read from a news paper headline. If you're into the stock market, and look at the global effect of Bush's "efforts" in "stablizing" the world, you'll realize that Bush has had a net negative effect on the economny and world stability.

First off, his foreign policy outside of the Iraq problems, is totally ineffective and counter productive. Polls taken around the world both formally and informally of world leaders and civilians tell that the U.S. Is a militiaristic bully that uses economic warfare on other countries to get what it wants. If economic warfare doesn't work, the U.S. Uses more overt means... And then even military means in the guise of a legitimate "defensive measure. If you don't give much credence to polls, then you should give credence to the fact that there are MORE terrorists willing to attack the U.S. Than ever before. THIS IS A FACT.

Regarding the economny - how many of you own stocks or are invested in the markets domestically and abroad? I am. I look and the figures and notice that we are catching up, but not yet where we used to be. This is not a "booming" economy. This is an economy that is slowly rising. This would be OK in most circumstances, but when you look at the loses we've taken in our own country for social and civil services (ie. Firedepartments, schools, local police, EMS, infant care programs.. The list is endless), you'll see that we've paid BIG TIME for this slow growth, and what is not being acknoleged by those who clain the ecomony is booming is that we will not recover the level of funding for civil services that we had before for a decade or more. When you add it up, we may save some money in tax cuts (I think the average person saves a few hundred dollars a year now with the tax cuts) as individuals, but we are forced to pay much much more personally for social services, schools, day cares etc than ever before. Life has become tremendously more expensive for people on all social levels, EXCEPT for those in the highest income level.

Granted, this was an un-intentional side affect of Bush's policies, but he WAS ADVISED that this WOULD HAPPEN. There is no question that he should have known better and had more foresight. There are many other people that do have better forsight than him that were in the running for President. This is the sad truth. I think a great many, and possibly majority of Americans have in the recent past been much more ignorant of the effects of bad policy than they are now. Complacency, lack of intelligent criticism may be the culprit.

Personally, I blame bad TV and bad pop music. If no one has the sense to veg to good entertainment media, then what the hell is going on? I can bet you that Bush has nothing good in his music collection... At least nothing that someone else didn't give to him.

Cloud, you should be pissed. Your generation is getting the shaft moreso than mine. I consider myself lucky to have abtained the benefits of a home, job security and an education before these times have hit. It's going to be harder on the upcoming generation unless we change these policies.

Last edited: Thursday, April 13, 2006 at 7:46:51 AM

Since the hack introduced the topic of wire-tapping...ponder this:

Sayeth the shill:

ATT tapping your internet for your Protection and ooops! Looks kinda like they are busted...

So count yourselves among the "bad guys."

Last edited: Thursday, April 13, 2006 at 10:31:35 AM

^ I posted so many inane things on PTT that I'll certainly be busted and go rot in Guantanemo Bay! :[

Me too. Good news for me: I like dogs and I look fetching in blaze orange. Added perk: with the jumpsuits there's no need to worry about matching your belt with your shoes.

Lame post Stink. W was going by information by the troops and the CIA. Do you think we are all that stupid? I am not a huge fan of anyones right now, but get a grip with the mindless blasting of the prez.

Regardless of what info he chose to go by, this information was available at the time. Btw, the administration continued to make the claims four months after it was first reported that the trailers had nothing to do with WMD.

" The Washington Post reported that a Pentagon-sponsored team of experts determined in May 2003 that two small trailers were not used to make biological weapons. Yet two days after the team sent its findings to Washington in a classified report, Bush declared just the opposite."

Cherry picking intelligence, and selectively ignoring contrary intelligence is the general MO of these buffoons.

In terms of whether or not I think people are all that stupid, scan the posts above, we have a few examples of just how stupid people can be. I think it is also a sign of stupidity to follow the line being spun by the WH press secretary, which is essentially what you are doing when you made your case here.

"mindless," "blasting," and "prez" go together nicely in a sentence, but it generally makes more sense with different syntactic choices. I'll quit blasting him when he either quits Fing up, or is finally held to account.

Last edited: Friday, April 14, 2006 at 2:24:33 AM

A neat article:
http://blog.urbanomic.com/sphaleotas/archives/without-a-doubt/without-a-doubt.html
It may seem long but I enjoyed every line in it! It sheds a good light on the current US administration.

Here's some more kkb: cherry picking intelligence and the Empire's creation of reality: http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/04/14.html#a7914

Hugo: I have read this before: "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors... And you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.''

It's just too creepy.

Olberman actually discusses this in the link above..."the sun rises in the west." of course, creating a reality to employ in place of the one we in the reality-based community experience relies for its authenticity on a large contingent of useful idiots who are stupid enough to go along with this (see the 2004 election). All the bush spin is an attempt to counter the steady seep of authentic reality from the reality-based community. Reality has been seeping in for 6 years now, and it is overwhelming those in the Empire's Head Office, those in charge of creating an alter reality.

The guy has a point: what matters is perception - perhaps even more so now than any other historical period, since we're so advanced in the simulacra and so far removed from the real - we negotiate with the 'real' true its media representation.

Case in point: who here went to Iraq? I know Jacques went to Iran, that's about the closest thing. Yet we all talk like if we been living there for a century, and rightly so: we think we know so much drawn from what the mass-medias poured on us - a bountiful simulacra on Iraq.

I'm a big fan of this 'simulacra' concept and of Baudrillard's works in general:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulacra

From the Rosetta Stone to any contemporary nation state, we all know that the powerful wants to represent themselves in the more favorable light. What's happening now is an unprecedented movement toward 'spin', where entire teams of 'speechwriters' use any sophistry available (think 3000 years of literature to draw from) to push their boss agenda.

It's a well-known issue from those familiar with media theory, and is perhaps the most insidious menace to a functioning democracy. It affects every country in the world.

Yah, I remember that feller, hugs. As a matter of fact I read simulation and simulacra...or somepin like that back in the day. I remember very little about it...also read America. Anywho:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/04/16/MNG3SI80RC1.DTL&hw=Juliet+Eilperin&sn=002&sc=620

More scientists complain about being censored by the taliban with regard to climate change...did I say taliban? I mean, by this administration. I wonder how I got those two theocratic regimes confused?