You did say that I should start my own thread so here it is.

@KKillbilly

No stupid, this country was founded by people trying to get away from religious freaks. People risked their lives sailing accross an ocean where they all nearly starved to death knowing that when they got here they could starve to death or be killed by native indians. They did this just so they could have a place where they were not persacuted by religious nut jobs!

@44

You know it.. I am not suprised by this. Christians know in the back of their minds that their religion is baseless. So they over compensate by trying to infect others with their illness. For instance did you know that this country that used to stand for democracy has been printing Jesus Freak quotes on the food we send over to Iraqi relief. They say it's not a religious war but hell christians always say one thing and do another..

Examples of christians who say one thing but do another...

Jesus wouldn't hate gays, make war, pray for hurricanes to kill black people, pray that chief justices would die, pray for the assasinations of other world leaders..

I AM THE LORD THY GOD, THOU SHALT NOT HAVE strange gods BEFORE ME..... Nigga Please! Have you seen the dollar bill. Have you seen the Pope.

REMEMBER THOU KEEP HOLY THE SABBATH DAY..... Uh that would be Saturday, not Sunday stupid!

HONOR THY FATHER AND THY MOTHER..... I find it hard to believe that God would want us to honor our mothers and fathers but not their mothers and fathers. All of our mothers and fathers wrote the constitution and yet today Christians work to take away all of our civil rights. No you didn't get that one right either....

THOUGH SHALT NOT KILL? Hahaha! Oh goodness Christians must have thought God was High on crack when he said that one... LOL!

THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY..... Oooh sorry God but wherever the Republicans get together they are followed by a caravan of prostitutes.

THOU SHALT NOT STEAL... 9 billion missing in Iraq, 15 Billion missing in Transportation, no bid contracts... (too many to list)

THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST THY NEIGHBOR... This one covers Gossip - Slander - Lying - Defamation of Character - Hating.. Man Christians are not doing well with any of those.

THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR'S GOODS.... This is said to be the number one rule of god. Here is what god has to say about that..

"When men better understand that they must earn the profits, whether they be material in a large way or small, they will better understand the justice in this Rule. There are many areas men will abuse in this Commandment. Men will frivolously borrow many things from other men and never account for them. Time is one of them. Time taking, without reason, good purpose, can stop another man's progress, profits and gain."

We have just gone from having a huge surplus of money here in the United States under a "Liberal" administration, to having the largest deficit which has no sign of slowing down under a Christian administration.

God says "This Rule applies first to all I have created, for I Am The Lord Of All Things"

Men in this country now work longer for less and we have created a debt that the christian regime cannot account for.

Christians can't follow their own laws of morality given to them straight from the mouth of God. What on earth would make a person think they can teach us anything?

Now I know what someone is going to say... That's the old testament. Yeah you guys switch back and forth from New and Old depending on what suits you at the time. If we go by the new testament however we have to use the teachings of Jesus and trust me the christians of today have nothing in commen with Jesus. Trust me stick with the Ten Commandments.. 2 out of 10 is the best you'll ever do.

Click on this VIDEO and you'll see why believing in god is retarded...

Oh and the video is kinda large so it may take a minute to download, just wait for it.

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Your pretty funny.

Whoa. Are you current with your meds, dude?

Wow. Pretty interesting what's going on in your mind..yet somewhat disturbing

^What's more disturbing is what is going on in the world.. Christians make me look sane.

YEAH HE OVERDOSED,guys be careful halloween approaches

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Dude who gives you this info? Its

@Jacob

I read and I think for myself, I don't let someone else do it for me.

Congrats Jet....your very own street corner. You even have a realistically reacting general public.

Does the phrase "Branch Davidian" have any meaning for you?

@Crow, sup, well I think I had the wrong impression of u...yes I did talk to u the first time I came back after a year and I guess I totally forgot about that..its me guju and I did impersonate u, after I beleive a week later, thinking that u were no more a TT player.. What lead me to beleive that? Dont knwo maybe I was not thinking right.. My apology to u crow, I also thaught u banned me but u didnt, I found out the real person behind it. Sorry about that too....i hope we could be cool again....u will hear no more complains from me.....

@Dash, I think all the players should vote on the admins, who the admin should be so we have representative from all groups, rather than one person deciding the admins... What do you think dash?? Honestly its a bit UNFAIR that admins misuse their power, while u arent there....There area lot of complains about admins that you keep ignoring... You have assigned admins that have personal hate towards someone and they will keep silencing or booting them....so dash reply back to this.........what do you think about voting for admins???????

@crow, my apology..we cool?

Gujuboy/apollo13

@ Guju

Dash's only connection to the private servers is the fact that he wrote the admin script that the majority of the ACA use (Art Crazy also published one).

When someone sets up a private server, it is akin to inviting players into their home. The ACA is simply asking players who play on their servers to respect the "rules of the house." Failure to do so means the next time an offending player wants to play in that server they will find the door to be locked.

@Chief, but why is LONEWolf an admin, he has miused his power many times..just cuz dash hasnt seen him misuse the power doesnt make lone a good admin....does it?... He boots people just because he personally dont like them.....I want to see the reaction on ur face when he booots you, dash, or leopard..Now I see what happened to stan last year.....and oh well I dont care about this anymore.......lets change the topic now.......lets talk about politics... What do u think about bush' pick for the justice seat??

Apollo13

Does anyone besides Crapblaster believe that this person is really Apollo13?

Jet how do u want me to prove it?? Secret that only u know I think, the person I hate the most? Rogue.. Do u believe me now?

Ok what happened at the end of the last game we played against each other in TMBL 2?

Once again where is your proof ? B)

@ jet....Jesus loves you!!

Bless you my child you've seen the light

@KKillBilly

I'm sure Santa and the Tooth Fairy do too..

Hmm...where's Indiana Jones when you need him? Apparently the world is infected with Nazis and must be destroyed.

A couple of things I'd like to just say rhetorically (that means I ain't gonna reply if you answer)...

1) "believing in god is retarded..." so then what created the Universe? Sure there is the Big Bang theory, but then what placed that super-dense ball of matter there in the first place?

2) "We have just gone from having a huge surplus of money here in the United States under a "Liberal" administration, to having the largest deficit which has no sign of slowing down under a Christian administration.".... If you dislike President Bush that's one thing, but don't be obsurdly stupid and blaim Christians. I know PLENTY of Christians who are "Liberal"....and better yet if you want to complain about how the current administration is doing things, What's YOUR plan for getting the USA outta debt??

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@Zenigata

1) That's right there was a big bang! Funny how the bible doesn't mention it.

2) I'm glad you asked! Besides the common sense of rasing the taxes for the rich, I'd suspend foreign aide for one year and maybe two depending on how much it helps. That would include everything except natural disasters. I would of course bring the troops home though we will have to continue sending money there to help pay for whatever armed force moves in after them I'm pretty sure we'd be expected to help. We also need to start charging taxes to corporations who do business with us but who have moved their headquarters off shore so that they can avoid paying income taxes.

Getting rid of no bid contracts will save us from being massively over charged by Bush's favorite companies. Eventually I'd also say that we need to recognize what corporations have aided in damaging our economy by either creating political ties for profit or for sending american jobs overseas. I'd say the way to do that is for the government to actively replace these companys with new corporations and kick the old corporations out of our country. We need to start selling american products to americans again...

If you follow the money trail you'll see why these corporations and the illegal imigration are hurting us.. When you pay for an item. That money goes to a corporation. If that company has it's manufacturing in the U.S. Then the U.S. Workers get paid for their time and they pay income tax on that money. They also go out in their community and spend that money..... If the company has workers overseas then when you pay for that item that money gets paid to a foreign worker and that worker pays income taxes to a foreign country and they take their pay and spend it in their country.

This is also what happens with illegal imagrents. And before you say it, yes I know what I'm talking about I used to work with many illegal imigrents. We used to fight with our own company because the guys that worked in our shop were not getting paid overtime or for working holidays. Most illegal imigrents come here for 6 months to a year and the whole time they send their money home to their wives. While they are here they live as cheaply as possible and once they've sent enough money back home they go back and live very well for a year or more before they finally come back and repeat the same process. Not all illegal imigrants come here to live. Most do not so those people who say they are just looking for a better life are full of it. They do not pay U.S. Taxes and that money goes back home and that is what fuels the Mexican economy, that is why Mexico does everything it can to keep the flow of imigrants going. If we put a stop to that we will create new jobs that pay well.

Long answer and I could say more but I figure you get the idea.

So Rabban and Jet walk into a bar mitzvah...

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...And it explodes.

Like the big bang theory

Ya know what's funny? I'm currently working on a project dealing with American History with a focus on Jamestown, Williamsburg, Plymouth and other such places, basically early colonization. Without going into the exciting details, Jet has his "facts" wrong (surprise!). Perhaps he's reading the book of Esdras again. ;)

Nah...this thread has legs as long as we all keep it halfway civil.....

Discourse and discussion is one of the bedrocks of civilized behavior.

I for one am honestly curious as to the origins of Jet's beliefs. These types of threads can really be informative...such as some of the other political threads. They can really make you think.

A fanatic is a fanatic regardless of message or conviction. Don't get me started on my passion for pork skins. They're the one and only true snack. No debate necessary. If you disagree you're an idiot. Woot, pork skins!

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@Jet, I think u'll beleive me now..well last seconds of the game you shot me and won the game...it was pretty taught to remember a tbm2 season with all my own problems.. But thats what happened and I was pretty upset over it.we cool now??I told u I thought it was u banning me so it was my miunderstanding, I apologized.. Later

Guju/apollo13

Can I put my 2 cents in? Hello all, and good morning..as you guys know I am a democrat, toatally support them.. And bush is an idiot that has screwed up on many things but people are blinded by the tax cut for richesss.. Well I personally dont like outsourcing but I know why its done..well as you know south india, well developed part of the country. They have professional programmers that can program 5 times better than programmer in the US and are willing to work for half the sallery. All of the level 5 programming is done there, so even if the company wanted to work in the US they would not get the same level of programming. Money is a factor too but the main reason is the quality of the programming that company invest over seas...i do agree that US should heavily tax these companies, and I bet these companies cant survive without US economy. For Example: I worked at panasonic past year and guess what...from research to firmware development, everything was done in japan.. Why??cuz of quality of the firmware plus the labor....so I think what the problem is that people in US expect more money for their talent, while companies can find people 10 times better at it overseas... Thats the truth..i dont like it but I gotta except it....good im a Electrical Engineer I can still find a defense government jobs cuz they cant outsource them.. Lucky me...and yes if u guys think about it, where did that one atom come from that created the big bang? And you have a great morning..

Gujuboy/apollo13

It's a bit funny to hear the churchies asking for the origin of an agnostic's and a democrat's beliefs.

Hey! I just realized this is a thread dedicated to me! Whoo Hoo!

And the irony is it's not about you at all... My 2 cents

Jusus hates gay people? Hey I do too.........they have ruined it for everyone, now god hates us because of the gay people....dammit..

How does ^ make any sense?
I saw the video, and I agree. Big time. LMAOZ0RZ!

@Rabban

I said

I didn't accuse you of deleting any other posts, BUT someone has. I've heard a rumor that admins may be signing the posts they delete when they delete them. I think that is a great idea. It would show that the Admins hold themselves acountable.

If you learn something you'd like to share let's hear it. I've never accused someone of being wrong without telling them why I think they are wrong. I think if you knew something you'd have probably already said something. I love history and I'll match my knowledge of history with anyone here.

@Chief

I appreciate that man. You know I realize some people have tried to convince you that my "beliefs" are baseless but you'd be suprised to know that I have never said anything about these debates that I could not back up with facts. Not to say that those facts could not be argued but I'm just saying I don't make anything up. The thing about Tekton not meaning Carpenter like Christains say. I didn't make that up dude that's 100% true as I have researched it. Actually I only found that out recently but the same research says that the church has know of this for a long time but refuse to change the translation. I don't understand it.. Carpenter or Handi man, does it really matter that much that they would lie to people? The point I was trying to make is simply that they do lie to their flock. I came to realize in my life that you cannot learn about the bible from a christian. They don't know the truth and therefore can't teach you the truth.

If I ever say something you don't think is true then just ask and I'll try to find you some "Non-biased" information to back it up.

@Apollo13

Well I'll be damned. Actually I killed you, Monkey, and one other person in the last few seconds to win the game but that's close enough. I guess it is you but man I'm shocked at your recent behavior. I don't know who it was who banned you in the Lair but I know your name at the time was Stan_on_Leopard_L and after all the stuff about impostering you had to know someone would ban you. Anyways yeah I have no problem with you. I know we used to go at it in the game but I always did respect you as a player. Alot of old guys talk like they are really good players but only a few can back it up, you were one of them.

On the subject of your other post, not trying to give you a hard time, I'm just responding to what you have stated.

This is somewhat innacurate. In truth the better programming is done by Americans. My brother is a.Net architect and many of the people who work under him are Indian. Most were not his first choice for employment but the hiring was done by human resources where they care more about the dollar figure than the qualifications. I will admit that there are many good Indian programmers but they usually aren't architects just programmers. As I said what you stated was somewhat inaccurate, India is getting stronger and is now on the same level and will probably pass us soon. But! The reason for this is because american workers are not being given the jobs to gain the experience.

About 3 years ago my brother did start losing jobs to Indians. I can't tell you how many times he told me that the company would call him back a few months later and ask him to replace the Indian they hired because they did not have the knowledge they said they do. One reason is because it is easy to fake their education credentials in India. One government contract got completely scrapped because they had lost so much money from the Indian who led them astray they couldn't afford to start over and couldn't continue with what had been done. My brother doesn't have a hard time getting jobs now, companys have learned their lesson but only where architects are conserned. He was recently offered a tier 65 job at Microsoft... Bill Gates is tier 72. He turned the job down because of too much travel but he damned well better take the next one. Microsoft employees can purchase any Microsoft software dirt cheap. I could get server 2003 with 5 seat license for about $30 bucks.

Much like when the auto makers moved their factorys to Mexico for cheap labor, after about a year and a half they realized they could not replace the skilled workers they had here. That is why the factorys did not close. I believe there were 12 factorys in Ohio alone that were supposed to move to Mexico and they are all still open. The situation is a little different with India but not by much.

The programmers in India weren't smarter than the programmers in America. They simply had advantages we didn't have. You see back in the early 90's India opened FREE computer schools for all of it's citizens. You could take any class for free. What is going on with India was planned by the Indian government a long time ago. This would not have worked however if it were not for things like the H1-B visas. We are losing our skilled programmers not because they are not smart enough but because we won't give them the jobs.

Not only are these americans losing their jobs but the Indians who work here and abroad are sending and spending their money in India not here. That is why there is a steady flow of money going out of the country and not in.

@Fleabiscuit

LOL! Yeah dude I know what you mean. I've been thinking lately that I sure hope China doesn't hold all that commie hating against us. People have been asleep on the China front for a long time. They infiltrated our Nuclear program and stole our plans for nuclear weapons. What did we do? We went to sleep. Just like Bush went to sleep on terrorism when he got into office.

I don't agree that Christians are being played though man, they are willing to give up our economy, our security, our jobs, our morals, and so on and so on just so that they can overturn one law... Abortion. They should not get a pass on this, they know what they've done and should be held responsible for it.

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@jet, wowwwwwww.. Didnt know you knew so much about h1 and indian government planning..didnt mean to offend anyone here btw..and you are right that its easy to fake education and experience on the resume for indians..im a US citizen and never faked any letter on my resume, but I know people(indians) that have faked so much experience on their resume that is impossible to prove that its fake..In fact I know a kid, recently came from india who bull **** his way to an IBM position that many of us have been trying at...and just because he had the talking skills he jumped from being no one to someone within months. If you ask him any single thing in his major(electrical engineering) he would know nothing..

Also this advise is to non indians here.. Never ever work under a indian manager/boss..they are the worst people to work under..they will make you do their job and act like they own the place..i know this from my previous job/and my cuzin use to work under a lady indian manager at telecordia and he had the same experience..Indians are the worst to work under.

Apollo13

@Apollo13

Hey I worked at Enron even!

He's the cause of its down fall

^punk

^^gave me 4-5 pts during battle game..thx

Yup I defeated others and was left smoking so he got me everytime I was smoking it was fun though.try playing with an autistic child and a wife who bugs you while playing.

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^ I stil got 5-6 yrs of bachelor life and enjoyin it well.....