Wow... No comment.

Serously, no comment this time. *gasp*

Did you leave off something?

We all die eventually. Let him rot in jail I say.

Let his fudge get packed I say

B

Moussaoui is just a loser desperate for publicity and martyrdom. The jurors saw through his b.s. And antics. The guy is a clown. A guy like that cannot mastermind anything; hell he couldn't even pay his rent. He's erractic and childish, almost insane. Rot he will. Death penalty would have been to make him a favor, in the sense that that's what he wanted .
America did not 'lose', and the guy certainly did not 'win'.
BTW he has not done anything - except flight training, where he was so useless that he draw attention and finally got nabbed for crime potentiality (à la Minority Report). Much of his boasting came from hindsight after the 911 incidents.
Nutbar I say.

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"crime potentiality"? Meaning you can get charged for thinking about commiting a crime now?
orwell... Anyone?

Anyone care to explain this?

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NO ONE, I repeat NO ONE, deserves to die. No matter what they've done, they deserve to live the rest of their lives.

And no one is pure evil either. They may do evil things, but they are not the embodiment of evil.

@ All,

Don't know everyone is getting so upset about this.. I mean just listen to my logic.

This guy has been sentenced to a life in jail. Do you honestly think that the corrective services guards will not make him pay for his crimes? Also what about other inmates? I am sure that he will be lucky to survive the first 12 months, let alone a life sentence.

Inmates hate paedophiles amongst others, however a terrorist who committed hate crimes against the States. Good luck I say to that piece of scum.

SK

^^^ I don't understand that either. He didn't kill anybody. He might have wanted to, but I don't think that's a crime...

I think you all are missing something. VA jails are some of the nastiest in the country. His boys crashed into DC. My opinion, he'll die quicker this way.

@Monica - I respectfully disagree.

But I do agree that life in prison is the best in this case. I'm sure Mou was counting on seeing those 77 virgins ASAP, so life in prison with the Sodomites is sure to be a fitting punishment.

@Bloop - Guess you missed "Dateline" last night featuring a sting nabbing men who were showing up for underage sex with "kids" they had met in chatrooms. When this guys walked in, expecting sex with a 12-13yo boy or girl, they were arrested (after the Dateline dude grilled them a little). The thing that always got me was the men never bolted the minute a man walked in. They would always talk to the interviewer, usually trying to talk themselves out of trouble. Only after that did SOME of the men try to leave, but the cops were always outside...waiting.

I think the jury made a good call. If they did go for the death penalty, we'd have a martyr on our hands. I'm not happy about his using up our oxygen, but it's better than making him a martyr.

The real shock here is that I agree with SK.

The ex-cons I used to work with had a real patriotic streak. They'd just love to have the opportunity to impose their version of justice on this nutbar.

Mou didn't really do the crime, but he may have been able to inform about it. Is that a capital offense? I really feel for the victim's families on this one. This must just dredge up all that pain again...

How about we just stop interviewing him?

^ great idea. That would really take the audience away, wouldn't it?

_{Fade to black...}

I actually watched the FOX news segment on this. It was interesting.

I saw a clip of a woman who's mother was in the Twin Towers when the planes crashed. The mother died, but thye woman still did not want to kill Moussaoui. She stated "he is a wanna-be AL-Queda and he just wants to be killed so he can act like he died for his country".

He wasn't going to be on any fifth plane or whatever he stated.

LOSER.

^^ I'm not sure.
And I'm not saying his intent is not evil--I'm saying that he in himself is not evil. Let the man who is without sin throw the first stone. You done something evil too? Pot. Kettle. Black.

You can't go to prison for being a loser. Anybody going to answer my question of what law says that wanting to kill someone is a crime?

@ Rabban: I thought you were a Christian.

Wanting to kill someone is not a crime. But making plans to kill someone is.

See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_(crime)

Good point Player36. Do I smell a scapegoat ? I mean, you need to punish someone, right? To satisfy the masses and the media circus, you cannot have a grave thing like 9/11 without anyone being caught and punished, without a trial to give a sense of 'closure' (a word often used by 9/11 families). Is dude more than a lighting rod? The simulacrum behind which the truth hide? I hate post-modernism.

I haven't reviewed all the evidence, but how much of it was presented with hindsight in mind? How many such folks had flight training for potential criminal purposes? SO many questions...

@Player36 - You thought correctly.

@Monica - What are you driving at? While I don't believe Mou is evil incarnate, I don't think the "cast the first stone" philosophy works here either. I mean, sure, we've all done bad stuff, but that being the fact doesn't mean we're not judge one another's motivations and actions, bringing judgement and justice when appropriate.

Who what were?

So your idea of justice is to kill a man who thought of committing murder for your own political gain? He deserves to live. Everyone does. If he had gotten the death penalty, the jury and the prosecution would have been guilty of murder.

Oh and by the way, if you're a Biblical literalist:
"Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God."
-1 Cor 4:5

I would try any non-lethal way to subdue them. If killing is the only way, I guees I would do it. It would be hard to live with the fact that you killed somebody though.

But I don't feel that this is related to the topic at hand anway. It's not like he's going to kill anybody in jail. What's to be gained by killing him?

Same as ^, except I would make my decision whether to kill them (after everything else has been exhausted) on what they are trying to achieve by killing me. If it is something like burglary, then I'd let him do it. If it's a war that I'm deeply involved in, I'd kil him.

Can we please try to get back on topic? Instead of debating what life is supposed to be? Because that is completely opinion. I would like to keep talking about the Moussaoui case.

I think this thread is on the brink of becoming a discussion concerning capital punishment and that's the way I'm heading. I've already stated that I think life in prison for Mou was the way to go, so I'm not going to defend a position I haven't taken concerning him. And I think Monica's confusing the idea of being judgemental and using sound judgement. If I take her to mean that we shouldn't judge anything, well, that's just plain naive and we wouldn't have any sort of world order to speak of if no judgements were ever made. I also doubt her willingness to allow someone to kill her while they were robbing her house. Surely she believes she has a right to live as well. What if someone was threatening her parents, would she be willing to strike a blow that may kill the perp or just watch her folks die?

1 Cor 4:5 is addressing the need to withhold judgement about people's motives , in this case the Apostle Paul's, in respect to his leadership and ministry. That's a case where we can't judge correctly since we don't know someone's heart. If we want to start throwing Bible verses around, in the very next Chapter of 1 Corinthians we read...

Paul is instructing the Church at Corinth to expel one of their members for sexual immorality, thereby judging the behavior and bringing punishment. And there are plenty of other references to judgement in both the OT and NT to calls upon us to make wise decisions.

He has a big as$ Head

Okay, getting back on topic. I have a few questions:
Why would people rather have Moussaoui dead than in prison? What's to be gained by killing him? Do people just want to get revenge? Maybe since the hijackers are dead and bin Laden and other terrorist leaders are probably not going to be captured anytime soon, people just want to take out their frustration on this guy who is crazy but really didn't do anything.

Instead of focusing on a case where the defendant didn't kill anyone, how about we look at this one where 6 people were killed.

D.C. Sniper Introduces Himself to Jurors

So, if found guilty, should John Allen Muhammad receive the death penalty?

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@ All,

Being in jail could potentially be lethal for Moussaoui, I mean just a simple task like having a shower and dropping the soap could result in a pain!!!! Some inmates could have STD's which could also be passed on. The possibilities are there...

SK

His life will be hell in jail, and when he dies he will go there (if there is indeed such a place). Therefore there's no need to rush it, he'll get what is comming to him, one way or another.