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At this point I'm just ready to kick him in the nuts. Start up a thread on that and you may get some more earnest discussion here. I'm thinking the scenario would be set up as a 10 person gang situation where he's surrounded and everyone takes a shot at his pebbles. Got it?
....everyone takes a shot at his pebbles
. Actually, according to polls, only 60% would want to take a shot at his pebbles. The other 30-39% consider his pebbles "holy relics."
But, yeah, I'm down.
http://simbaud.blogspot.com/2006/04/toxic-mendacity.html
[shudder]
In the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001, attack on the World Trade Center, the White House instructed the Environmental Protection Agency to give the public misleading information, telling New Yorkers it was safe to breathe when reliable information on air quality was not available.
That finding is included in a report released Friday by the Office of the Inspector General of the EPA, "EPA's Response to the World Trade Center Collapse: Challenges, Successes and Areas for Improvement."
"When the EPA made a September 18 announcement that the air was 'safe' to breathe, it did not have sufficient data and analyses to make such a blanket statement," the report says. "Furthermore, The White House Council on Environmental Quality influenced... The information that EPA communicated to the public through its early press releases when it convinced EPA to add reassuring statements and delete cautionary ones"...
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May I, in earnest, attempt to persuade them of their idiocy? Or should I stick to simple humiliation?
Just had to get another one started, lol XD
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Fo: would you try to persuade the taliban that they were idiots for acting as they do? Ok, so these guys aren't that extreme, but they share an orientation with the taliban on the political/social axis...that is to say, theocratic/intolerant (that's why more traditional GOP types like Phillips are so worried, he says they've taken over the GOP, and they are a threat to democracy). Besides, these guys aren't all idiots, but they are all zealots. But they know this, I'm sure. Feel free to humiliate them...in the name of democracy, of course.
Waste time chasing your tail on the religion aspect if you like....kinda like the "Plame Blame Game." Painting conservatives as all "Bible beaters" is akin to painting liberals as all "pot smoking hippy draft dodgers."
The polls are about as valuable as the one (exit poll) that had Kerry winning in a landslide in 2004.
Damn bro - what happened while I was gone? You're smarter than this.
Bush has given plenty of people plenty of reasons not to vote Republican in November (and you haven't hit on a one of 'em).
Correct me if I'm wrong chief, but the economy was in the crapper before the 2004 election. And yet...
And you've performed the classic straw man there...i made it pretty clear that I wasn't painting conservatives as bible beaters. I never mentioned conservatives once in fact. I said theocrats and theocons, following what the conservative writer phillips wrote. Did you bother to read the article? Inform yourself before bloviating please.
As I indicated, and as phillips wrote, this isn't about those people who have been turned off by Bush. its about the people who will never lose faith in him. Because they substitute faith for just about everything: thus, theocrats (not "conservatives").
I have noticed many conservatives jumping ship lately, proving that they expected something different from Bu$h Co, and that they believe in the democratic process.
C'mon bro, follow the argument. You are smarter than that.
Must you do this again? Bring it to the other thread.
That thread is for clowns. Clowns with popcorn.
^^ Amen to that Neva, amen to that B)
^ heck, I guess it takes one to know one B)
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"pot smoking hippy draft dodgers..."
lol sounds like me!
'Yes Sir! I have some military training! I drove a tank from 2003-2006!'
I repeat my offer: when the draft hits, everyone is welcomed over to my place! XD
'Yes Sir! I have some military training! I drove a tank from 2003-2006!'
Good point... ;)
...there we go again (lol)
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"And the whole damned funniest part of all? It's that the evil DarthW was elected by a group mostly drowning in credit card debt, one paycheck away from being homeless, that thought if they embraced Jesus, renounced taxes, and called themselves Republicans, that they too became part of some elite group, nincompoops. Hahahahahahahahaha"
Precisely that, sir fleabaggage.
They thought they could be "playas" too. Because this is what the republican party offers everyone: VALIDATION, regardless of what an failed, mean-spirited, and stupid human being they might actually be; but more importantly, it offers them the ready-made identity as a PLAYER. Like these under-employed, check bouncing, crappy car driving buffoons actually have something in common with the CAPTAINS OF INDUSTRY who's TRUE INTERESTS the republican party has always served, and at their expense.
But they all believe that maybe, just maybe they might also score big in the (con) game and take a seat along with the big boys!
Brain trusts, they aint. Useful idiots? Definitely!
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Former arch conservative author Kevin Phillips explains to me, and to you sensible people why it's time to quit engaging in these discussions with the intent of persuasion. All the folks who might be persuaded by logical argumentation and by citing and discussing real examples are now convinced. They are the 60% who disaprove of bush, and the over 70% who disaprove of congress
The remainging 30-39% Bushophiles are never going to be convinced, as logic and examples rooted in the real world aren't their game at all.
On the Theocons and the Theocrats :
More telling still, in the years since 1988 dozens of reports have quoted Bush the Younger telling ministers, supporters and foreign officials that God wanted him to run for President and that God speaks through him. In mid-2004 one Pennsylvania newspaper reported his telling a local Amish audience, "I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn't do my job." Reports that he told Middle Eastern leaders that God told him to invade Iraq have been denied by the White House, but this is clearly the sort of language he uses from time to time.
Since Robertson's run for the White House in 1988 and the victory that same year by Bush the Elder, the Republican Party has clearly moved closer to this constituency-and the process was speeded by Bill Clinton, whose politics and personal conduct offended the churchgoing South, in particular, enabling George W. Bush to pose as the standard-bearer of moral restoration in 2000. This metamorphosis gained further momentum after September 11, 2001, when the younger Bush responded to the terrorist attacks by declaring the start of a war between good and evil, speaking in a relentlessly religious idiom that several biblical scholars have described as double-coding-only mildly religious on the surface, but beneath that full of allusions to biblical passages and Christian hymns. They, too, suggested that Bush cast himself as a prophet of sorts-one who spoke for God.
Want to know your theocrats? Its a great article, especially coming from an intelligent fiscal conservative and christian. Read on: http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060501/phillips
Seriously, take five all you thoughtful people, christians or otherwise: you've done your bit for democracy.
Further discussion about the savior-in-chief should only serve the purpose of blowing off steam, and/or, of humiliating the stupidity worshipping theocrats who hope to hasten america into the 10th century and keep it there...these folks aren't interested in democracy per se. Their interest in it is limited to how they can manipulate it to get where they want, (2000) and then snuff it out (2001 onwards).
Continuing to engage these mindless theo-drones in earnest is an exercise in stupidity.