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Well I'm sure that a great amount of you have seen it but as I was running through videos I ran into a LOOSE CHANGE 2ND EDITION video. It is old and I have watched it a while ago I just ran apon again and thought it would be something to listen to your opionions on it. THIS VIDEO IS NOT MENT TO TELL YOU WHAT TO THINK.

For some reason the video does not seem to want to go to the link so here is the URL. I'm sure most of you can figure it out (copy and paste to your address bar)



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Saturday, July 29, 2006 at 11:50:54 PM

It didnt work because you posted the link twice.






Sunday, July 30, 2006 at 3:07:26 AM

Ive seen this video many many times.... And I'm sad to say its all true. Can't find a single fault in it. The worst thing is, this is only the beginning......Just wait and see...

Sunday, July 30, 2006 at 5:30:34 AM

It's 1 hour long! O_O

But anyways, I can say a few words about 9/11/2001. Well, it was a tragic day. Many people lost their lives and families. It's a day nobody will ever forget.

- b20

Sunday, July 30, 2006 at 8:35:55 AM

I agree with ^ and ^^ 9/11 was very tragic and the film is all true! Thx for sharing that movie Fatlips + Pedro

Sunday, July 30, 2006 at 8:45:37 AM

Just finished watching the whole video, I think it speaks for itsself.





Sunday, July 30, 2006 at 9:05:50 AM

^ As I. But of course, I did a bit of research myself. The scary part- I found almost everything to be accurate.

Pardon my rudeness, I cannot abide useless people.

Sunday, July 30, 2006 at 10:07:26 AM

Thank you pedro for posting it...
I like this video very much because this guy acutally did his research...
bumped so everyone can watch.


Sunday, July 30, 2006 at 9:28:35 PM

Yup very scary true stuff in there (and cuc its: 1hour, 21 minutes, and 50 seconds long :P)

Sunday, July 30, 2006 at 11:13:42 PM



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I haven't actually seen the full video, only the previews that were on their website. However what I saw echoed my thoughts almost exactly.






Sunday, July 30, 2006 at 11:19:35 PM

Interesting video but a some of the statements of 'facts' I know were not true. This website did a good job of explaining some of the 9/11 myths. link

Monday, July 31, 2006 at 5:44:10 AM

If you find any facts to be untrue post them.

That means you too, Missed Me.

Monday, July 31, 2006 at 7:12:05 AM

Well I guess you didn't click on the link.....You really think that a jet didn't hit the Pentagon? That is insulting to all that died on that plane.

When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. Wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings.

Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. Wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen."

The tidy hole in Ring C was 12 ft. Wide--not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jet's landing gear, not by the fuselage.

Monday, July 31, 2006 at 7:36:23 AM

^ Then why wasn't there a plane found? And about the hole being 75 feet wide, that is bull. Just type in pentagon 9/11 and you see a boing compared to the whole. And the wings wouldn't make much of a hole, but the engines would. And what about the claim that it bounced off the grass? Look at the pictured following the crash. There is nothing at all. And as for nothing at all:


"If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen."


I will agree with that, because it appears that thw ing, and the engine, along with the rest of the plane dissapeard in the crash. Even if the plane went in at a "liquid state" there would still be debris. Not just a VERY small mangled peice of fuseluge and a jetprop that DOESN'T EVEN BELONG TO THE PLANE! And why did the military confinscate the video from all the security camera's around the area? If they just want to prove that it was indeed flight 77, they could just release the tapes. And the, viola, this idea is ended. I am not saying that I agree with either side, but I feel strongly that we have been lied to on some respect.


On 9/11 there were only 14 fighter jets on alert in the contiguous 48 states. No computer network or alarm automatically alerted the North American Air Defense Command (NORAD) of missing planes


Why was this? And why were they all flown very far away? Either way you look at it, this was HORRIBLE planning on their part. K, I have said my two cents. Now it is time for me to get proven wrong...

Pardon my rudeness, I cannot abide useless people.

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Monday, July 31, 2006 at 8:20:06 AM

@geek - well proving you wrong is easy....
On 9/11 there were only 14 fighter jets on alert in the contiguous 48 states. No computer network or alarm automatically alerted the North American Air Defense Command (NORAD) of missing planes. "They [civilian Air Traffic Control, or ATC] had to pick up the phone and literally dial us," says Maj. Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD. Boston Center, one of 22 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) regional ATC facilities, called NORAD's Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) three times: at 8:37 am EST to inform NEADS that Flight 11 was hijacked; at 9:21 am to inform the agency, mistakenly, that Flight 11 was headed for Washington (the plane had hit the North Tower 35 minutes earlier); and at 9:41 am to (erroneously) identify Delta Air Lines Flight 1989 from Boston as a possible hijacking. The New York ATC called NEADS at 9:03 am to report that United Flight 175 had been hijacked--the same time the plane slammed into the South Tower. Within minutes of that first call from Boston Center, NEADS scrambled two F-15s from Otis Air Force Base in Falmouth, Mass., and three F-16s from Langley Air National Guard Base in Hampton, Va. None of the fighters got anywhere near the pirated planes.

Why couldn't ATC find the hijacked flights? When the hijackers turned off the planes' transponders, which broadcast identifying signals, ATC had to search 4500 identical radar blips crisscrossing some of the country's busiest air corridors. And NORAD's sophisticated radar? It ringed the continent, looking outward for threats, not inward. "It was like a doughnut," Martin says. "There was no coverage in the middle." Pre-9/11, flights originating in the States were not seen as threats and NORAD wasn't prepared to track them.

Go read the article on the link.....or google 9/11 myths. Don't just accept this clever video as the gospel.


Monday, July 31, 2006 at 8:42:45 AM

Want to know what I'm wondering?


I've watched many 9/11 *true* documentories. It clearly stated that one of the flights was over-turned by the passengers, and since the terrorists were over-powered, they sent the plane to do a nose-dive into the ground. The hijacker who controlled the plane stated the words "Allah Akbahr" which means God is great - I would know, I speak farsi.

How would they KNOW what the last word recorded on the plane was? FROM THE BLACK BOX.

Cmon, missed me, proofread my post.

Monday, July 31, 2006 at 8:49:00 AM

Well I am not going to try argue every point of this tragedy. If you want to think that this one video is the truth go ahead. The cockpit recorder tape from the Sept. 11 jetliner that crashed in Pennsylvania was played in public for the first time — to the Zacarias Moussaoui sentencing jury. So they did find the back box. Plus there was also an open mike on that flight.

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Monday, July 31, 2006 at 9:02:48 AM

Ok, touche on the F-16 thing (I was just playing devils advocate), but I still think it is somehwhat of a coincidnence that there were only three f-16's on the enitre east coast. You still haven't said anything about the hole, though. But what about the flight that landed in clevland? That was a real flight with real people who seemed to dissapear. And what you say baout the website. Why should we take that for truth? Because they are experts? Funded by the government? What if the givernment got to them first. But then again, I am being the devils advocate. I normally make my own story from what I an eighth and only half of what I see. I do beleive there is somtihg fishy about the colapse speed of the twin towers, and I do think the whole in the pentgon is too small. I do beleive that either way you look at it, it was a horrible catastophe for america.

Pardon my rudeness, I cannot abide useless people.

Monday, July 31, 2006 at 10:49:00 AM

"I do think the whole in the pentgon is too small"
Look at this picture.


The small 12ft whole shown in the move is on the next interior wing of the Pentagon not the front of it. The plane destroyed the outter wing of the Pentagon.

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Monday, July 31, 2006 at 11:49:10 AM

On the air defense... I seriously though we had more than lousy fighters protecting us from things like this. They are run by people, and as hardened as soldiers are, they would hesitate to shoot down a commercial airliner, just because they're humans. There should be automated missles, that WON'T hesitate. If the situation comes about- they would be triggered by computers, that saw the plane going off track, and being non-responsive, eh?

:o ,

I use multi-billion dollar military satellites to find tupperware hidden in the woods... What do YOU do?

Monday, July 31, 2006 at 2:03:31 PM

THAT LOOKS TOO SMALL! When you you use perspective. Take one of the cars on the road and compar it to the whole. A trcuk crashed through a conrete garage near my house several weeks ago and it made a wider hole than that- and the truck survived. My sister, who is completely nuetral on this topic even agrees with me. And you mean to tell me that the same kind of plane that hit the WTC and destroyed it did that little damage to the pentagon?

Pardon my rudeness, I cannot abide useless people.

Monday, July 31, 2006 at 2:05:51 PM

Oh well last attempt at using facts.....Crash simulation at Purdue I live about 20 miles from the Pentagon and I can tell you that 75ft by 4 Story of section was destroyed. I don't see how anyone could call that small.

Monday, July 31, 2006 at 3:22:11 PM

^ Ok, how wide it that road in the picture you posted? I don't care what "Facts" you are telling me, I am not going to say that the whole is wide enough for a plane of that size to crash into. Something crashed into it, but it was not a commercial jet airliner. Here is a happy image depicting how impossible it would be for a plane to enter. Also, while the wings would probably not have pierced the building, where are they? Did they liquify too?

Pardon my rudeness, I cannot abide useless people.

Monday, July 31, 2006 at 5:09:11 PM

I'm not interested using a hour something which may turn out to be bogus.

I do know a site called 'Debunking 9/11 Myths'
If someone is interested they can read some stuff from there. With hyperlinks and pictures.

I'm not so much interested in this subject myself.

You don't have to let go of one rope before grabbing the other. But you'll have to let go of one if you want to swing forward.

Monday, July 31, 2006 at 5:44:56 PM

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