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I'm Pro-Life and want to see the brutal murder of defenseless babies ended.

I support our troops and understand that the deaths of innocent civilians is a lamentable fact of war.

I support Bush's veto of stem cell research because I believe it's wrong for the government to promote the destruction of human life.

I support the death penalty because I believe if one commits the ultimate crime they should pay with their life.

Friday, July 28, 2006 at 4:24:37 AM

Im not even reading the main header and I'm saying: Stuipd! XD

 

 

 

 

Friday, July 28, 2006 at 6:43:13 AM

You are a fundamentalist Christian that spends too much time in the situational ethic.

 

Friday, July 28, 2006 at 7:12:09 AM

I believe in world peace, but I can't get along with my family.

 

 

 

 

Friday, July 28, 2006 at 7:22:55 AM

Yes, no, and yes. And you forgot cynical, facetious, and downright adorable in Aqua Man underoos.

Friday, July 28, 2006 at 8:12:44 AM

 

 

I'm Pro-Choice and the comfort of the mother is more important that the life of her unborn child.

I support our troops, but I don't want to see anyone hurt or killed during the lamentable fact of war.

I support stem cell research because I believe some people are expendable if it helps other people.

I support rehabilitation because I believe if one commits the ultimate crime, they're not really responsible for it, its a result of their environment and a lack of nuturing.

 

I'll be kind and go with confused. :P

There has got to be some appreciation that different situations call for different responses. The given statements are presented to illustrate some preceived inconsistancy of thought, but I don't think it exists when taken in context.

And Bush didn't veto stem cell research. He banned federal money from being used to fund embryonic stem cell research. Private money is still allowed. Adult stem cell research is still funded. Stem cells collected from umbilical cords are still available.

 

Friday, July 28, 2006 at 8:23:35 AM

Smarter by the post ^

Pssst...44...i've been playing a bit this days...er...nights...stay up late sometime, eh.

 

Friday, July 28, 2006 at 9:52:24 AM
-z-

Was there an option 4. All of the above?

;)

 

 

 

 

Friday, July 28, 2006 at 10:02:33 AM

^dang beat me to it..
I chose "d: all of the above" :)

Friday, July 28, 2006 at 3:59:01 PM

Just who are you pretending to be 44? You sound just like Adolph Hitler if you leave out #3....

Friday, July 28, 2006 at 5:26:06 PM

I knew It, knew it, I had reason.

The 3 are rigth.....

Matador }:8)

Friday, July 28, 2006 at 6:08:44 PM
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@Nizzle--agree. @56 and Three--lol @Stink--how could you not say 'hello'?

@Rabban--Help me see a context which creates consistency in a Pro-Life, Pro-War, Pro-DeathPenalty, Anti-StemCell position.

Saturday, July 29, 2006 at 7:42:06 AM

I think some people forget to turn on their irony-detectors some mornings.

Nice post, Fours.

Saturday, July 29, 2006 at 8:37:26 AM

1) Not everyone believes that unborn fetuses are babies!

2) Supporting *our troops* does not require endorsing poorly planned & implemented military excursions into foreign nations or destabilizing the Middle East.

3) See number 1.

4) So you believe that fetuses should be preserved until they have been born, after which they are fair game.

Most likely you are confused and naive.

Lesson:

Believing something has little value with regard to its truth, its reality.

Many people still believe the world is flat. Others believe Earth was created 4004 BCE - on a Thursday. Still others belive people with more melanin in their epidermal layer are genetically inferior to those with less melanin. A whole lot of people believe that their god is the one true god and that gives them the right to impose what they believe on other people.

Let me leave you with a few bons mot from folx much more wise than am I:

 

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence"
--Christopher Hitchens

"Those that would give up essential liberty in pursuit of a little temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security."
"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid."
--Benjamin Franklin

He who will not reason is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who dares not is a slave.
-- Sir William Drummond

The fetters imposed on liberty at home have ever been forged out of the weapons provided for defense against real, pretended, or imaginary dangers from abroad.
--James Madison

Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry on as if nothing ever happened.
-- Winston Churchill

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge."
-- Charles Darwin

 

...granpa sluggy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Monday, July 31, 2006 at 2:16:47 AM

I personally like the BF one...

LMAO for about 4 mins. You are a funny man BF.

Good post there, sluggy

The day we come to understand each other without
ignorance, is the day we all walk under my...

Inverted Light.

 

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Monday, July 31, 2006 at 1:01:45 PM


 

Help me see a context which creates consistency in a Pro-Life, Pro-War, Pro-DeathPenalty, Anti-StemCell position.

 

Aw gee, do I have to? :o I mean, I'm betting you have an idea why folks think they are consistent, though you may disagree with their positions.

Pro-life and anti-EMBRYONIC stem cell research go together, protecting the innocent and vulnerable potential humans.
Pro-War (which is laughable) and Pro-Death Penalty are similar in the sense that fighting evil, punishing the quilty or protecting the innocent and vulnerable humans (or however you want to phrase it) is the key.

I guess I'm wondering if you feel that there is no scenario where going to war or executing a criminal is the best action to take.

 

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Tuesday, August 01, 2006 at 12:47:07 PM

@ 44 for our last daugther and previous one we collected their stem cells (from the umbilical cord) and they are kept in cryogenic state for future need if ever for them. Stem cells are used now instead of bone marrow transplants. The medical community also believes that in the very near future 5-10 years these stem cells will be coaxed into becoming more definete cells, like let's say the cells of your liver. This would replace the need for organ transplants and all the problems associated with this activity.

I beleive that the problem is not the advances that the scientific community acheives, It's the way these are used by use humans.

Ps I also think that scientific research must be done while respecting Ethical guidelines.

 

Tuesday, August 01, 2006 at 1:28:21 PM

 

 

Pro-life and anti-EMBRYONIC stem cell research go together, protecting the innocent and vulnerable potential humans.

 

...while not protecting the SOCIETAL (ahem, not absolute) rights of women and the ill. Soon you're going to enact a law to protect "innocent sperm" as well. Rights are a creation of society, and thus only apply to societal members--those who have the capacity to contribute to and receive from society.

Going to war is justified if it's based on FACTS, not beliefs (huge *ahem*).

Tuesday, August 01, 2006 at 1:53:31 PM


 

Soon you're going to enact a law to protect "innocent sperm" as well.

 

Talk about stupidity. For every slippery slope there's another side to that slippery hill! http://www.liquidtype.net/node/1294 If you think it's a "sin" to waste a sperm, then surely you think it's sinful to destroy ova on a regular basis. Hmm, perhaps that's part of the reason fundamentalist Christians, Catholics (see below), Muslims, etcetera feel the need to consider women inferior to men to some degree.

The most recent example of this is the Catholic Church's refusal to ordain women into the priesthood:
From 2002: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2173868.stm
Currently: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060730/ap_on_re_us/ordaining_women
http://www.catholic.com/library/Women_and_the_Priesthood.asp for the official "No!" from The Church (capitalized because they think everyone else is going to Hell).
http://www.womenpriests.org/index.asp for a more open-minded viewpoint.

And on a lighter "sacred sperm" note:
http://www.angelfire.com/tv2/ping0/spermsong.html for the lyrics;
http://www.mwscomp.com/sound.html for the mp3 file.

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Tuesday, August 01, 2006 at 10:56:34 PM

Just to stay fair and balanced.

 

Wednesday, August 02, 2006 at 7:28:41 AM

^^ Actually there's quite a lot of stuff when it comes to 'Sacred Sperm' =) It taps into Kundalini, Sexual Alchemy, the Idas, the Sacred Snake and the Tree of Life, Chakras, Ayurvedic Medecine, etc.... Etc. Not to mention several parable of the New Testaments, the Genesis, etc. One of the oldest symbol in the world (the Babylonian caduceus) is a representation of the transmutation of sexual energy into spiritual energy.

Anyway I know I'll make a fool of myself by writing this here, since generally it interests no one. But whatever; some people like to build computers and the rest, yet they no nothing about their own bodies. :)

There's more than biomechanics to life. Enjoy!

Wednesday, August 02, 2006 at 11:40:07 AM

@hugo - Aren't we at Threat Level: Orange right now? ;)

 

...while not protecting the SOCIETAL (ahem, not absolute) rights of women and the ill. Soon you're going to enact a law to protect "innocent sperm" as well. Rights are a creation of society, and thus only apply to societal members

 

@ monica - But that takes us back to the "Big Debate" concerning abortion doesn't it? Whether or not the unborn is human, potentially human, sacred or a blob, and whether or not; if and when, is it moral/ethnical to terminate such life. Then there's the question, do the ill have the right to treatment (much less to refuse it)? Is any treatment at their disposal? I don't think so and the FDA is with me on that one. So you've hit on two topics that could be their own threads all together.

Then you unravel it all.

The Declaration of Independence says "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights , that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness." (emphasis mine)

We started out as a nation with the idea that our rights come from a higher power and that the government secures them for the people. If there is no absolute authority that grants people their rights other than society, then people have no real, inherent rights, only privileges granted to them by the majority or whoever is in control. So a right to abortion is no right at all, only a service allowed and granted and if the tide changes against it, then the opportunity disappears.

@George, AFAIK, evangelicals don't believe that "every sperm is sacred". ;)

Wednesday, August 02, 2006 at 1:30:21 PM

Bban

In war and executing a criminal we fail to
"protecting the innocent and vulnerable humans"

In both cases the innocent have died...

But who is to say we have to protect all innocent
ppls... If it were up to me kill all...

So we can be judged.

@ hugo ty bud ty.

LOL, I know something about my body.
I am writing with fingers or phalanges. See

 

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Wednesday, August 02, 2006 at 1:43:27 PM

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